Is it too early to start a thread on roster predictions for next seasons roster?
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We need a big... So this is the biggest big out there
He’s skinnier than Mal was lol .
Painter at Purdue will probably get him. They seem to always have at least one or two well over 7 foot. Didn’t they have a 7’4 sophomore this season?
I sure am. After 2019 I told myself I was done. Got reeled back in for K’s last season. I will not invest in this program again until we get old.
feels like I am the only person who notices that the OAD philosophy is not working. Sucks seeing other programs littered with vets winning the NCAAT year after year, maybe we should take a page out of their book? Am I wrong ?
I dont mind one or two. But bringing in 4 or 5 runs other guys off. You need a mix. Last year we seemed to have it. We are good every year but always come up short. I don't see that changing until we tweak this.
Ok then once you bring in two or three portal players , you don’t think players won’t still transfer? How can any team really get older ? Duke had Foster, Harris, Evans, Brown and big Pat return this year . That’s a senior, junior and three sophomores. Duke only started two freshman for most the year . IMO, it’s not the freshman it’s the lack of production from the bench . You got to have atleast one or two bench players that come in and keep things going .
We depended on too many freshmen who are not ready to handle high pressure situations consistently. Cam, Nik
, Cayden, Darren (basically a freshman based on how the lack of minutes his first two seasons) besides Cam, most of these guys were up and down all year including Dame
Shoot I wasn’t ever on it. I’m good with one or two a year but I want to build with retention supplement with one and done and the portal. We have a chance to do that but we have to retain!!
In today’s NIL world I think you can plan all you want, but you never truly know who’s staying or leaving. After mulling over the way the season ended, it was still amazing Duke had a chance to make it to the Final Four. I think winning the ACC Tournament just gave us some fool’s gold. I know everyone is going to blame coach Scheyer, but man we had a string of bad luck late with injuries. I think we’ve got to play more players throughout the season and have a deeper bench just in case the injury bug bites us again.
I think we have to find a way to get fringe NBA guys back. We are thrilled when role player return these days. With NIL, we should find a way to keep guys like Proctor, Sarr, Evans and Pat. Not all of them; but some. Other teams do it and see the difference in March.
Yeah, Pat and Dame have no business leaving Duke for the nba. None. If I was reading the scouting report for Sarr on offense, I think it would say "athletic and can hit a corner three, no mid range game, and below average ball handling."
Option A: the pay is ok, but you're never on tv, so you're almost forgotten about.
Option B: doesn't matter if it's against El Segundo School of the Arts & Crafts or Kansas, it's on tv. Exposure off the charts, and the pay is ok,
Yes but I’ll explain it like this . A lot of players are drafted in the late first round and sent to the gleague ( on a NBA contract and pay ) to further develope. I read an article where Centers in the portal ask around 2 million, PF around 1-1.5 million then lower for the 1-3 spots. Some kids just don’t care for class and others want to focus on basketball 24/7 with out the lime light . Dukes roster was around 10-12 million this past year that’s with ever player on the bench being compensated. So you can give up freshman to chase the portal or get freshman a try to get decent transfers . There is no right way in today’s college basketball.
Sarr I can understand. But truly dont get. If that makes sense. His offensive game is so subpar that his defensive abilities wont compensate for the difference... he would strictly be a RUNNER in the g-league. Play defense and run the floor. His offense needs to be improved to even think about a NBA roster...
Pat is the same. The center doesnt have to be a offensive juggernaut but the modern day big is a position where I'm not going to RISK my college eligibility and future Lively-hood trying to get there early...
I wish the our past BLUE Devils would be of influence to the future players to not rush it, it isn't what you think... and this isn't a shot at these players but names like Carey Jr, Duval, Steward, Hurt, Cassius Stanley, Keels all haven't seen meaningful NBA time. To me its not worth it. Its like starting the race 30 seconds behind. Plus you're at DUKE. And your getting paid. Enjoy it. It gets REAL once you're in the real world.
Pat is the same. The center doesnt have to be a offensive juggernaut but the modern day big is a position where I'm not going to RISK my college eligibility and future Lively-hood trying to get there early...
I wish the our past BLUE Devils would be of influence to the future players to not rush it, it isn't what you think... and this isn't a shot at these players but names like Carey Jr, Duval, Steward, Hurt, Cassius Stanley, Keels all haven't seen meaningful NBA time. To me its not worth it. Its like starting the race 30 seconds behind. Plus you're at DUKE. And your getting paid. Enjoy it. It gets REAL once you're in the real world.
The major thing that should be considered in all this can be summed up in three words. **THE DUKE FACTOR.** You put Ngongba and Sarr on almost any other team out there, they are either coming back to make more money, or transferring for more. Because these kids come to Duke though, the exposure, hype... that comes with that, they are either put on mock drafts before the first game, or as soon as they have a good game. Then they are constantly evaluated as the season goes.
If these two are near nba ready, then I'm going to assemble a team from this thread and win it all next season.
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I’ll take it a step further. I think there are high school players that get a bump in ranking/rating as soon as Duke shows interest.
THE DUKE FACTOR
Sarr could have went straight to the league but came to Duke . The NBA drafts off simply potential . Kids want to live their dream agents want simply to get paid . You do the best as a kid to listen to everyone but not everyone has your best at heart . These kids do what’s best for them no matter what fans want . They don’t care if we think they aren’t ready all they care about IS the mock draft and what the pro agents think . So in high site , the ones that don’t make it simply don’t have that in your face speaking truth .
2004-2005 season to 2008-2009 season ALL old Duke teams, the furthest Duke made it in those 5 seasons = Sweet 16
meanwhile the tar holes won 2 National Championships, played in 3 Final 4s, played in 4 Elite 8s, and were kicking Duke’s butt!!
fun times
meanwhile the tar holes won 2 National Championships, played in 3 Final 4s, played in 4 Elite 8s, and were kicking Duke’s butt!!
fun times
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They did chris, but just because you stay doesn’t Guarantee you are going to Win a National Championship.
2005 - Ewing, Dockery, JJ, Shelden Williams, Melchioni (upset in the Sweet 16 by Michigan State)
2006 - Dockery, JJ, Williams, Melchioni (upset in the Sweet 16 by LSU)
2007 - Nelson and McClure (upset in the 1st round by VCU)
2008 - Nelson, Henderson, Scheyer, Paulus, Thomas, and Zoubek (blown out by West Virginia in the 2nd Round)
2009 - Henderson, Paulus, Scheyer, Zoubek, and Thomas (blown out by Villanova in the Sweet 16)
2015, was a good mixture, had the leadership from Cook, Jefferson, and Marshall Plumlee. However, Okafor, Tyus, Winslow, and Allen scored the majority of the points that season.
Off topic: Arizona Starts 3 Freshmen on their team this season.
Duke has had their fair share of old teams to show it’s not a “guarantee” you are going to win a championship just because you start all Upperclassmen.
2005 - Ewing, Dockery, JJ, Shelden Williams, Melchioni (upset in the Sweet 16 by Michigan State)
2006 - Dockery, JJ, Williams, Melchioni (upset in the Sweet 16 by LSU)
2007 - Nelson and McClure (upset in the 1st round by VCU)
2008 - Nelson, Henderson, Scheyer, Paulus, Thomas, and Zoubek (blown out by West Virginia in the 2nd Round)
2009 - Henderson, Paulus, Scheyer, Zoubek, and Thomas (blown out by Villanova in the Sweet 16)
2015, was a good mixture, had the leadership from Cook, Jefferson, and Marshall Plumlee. However, Okafor, Tyus, Winslow, and Allen scored the majority of the points that season.
Off topic: Arizona Starts 3 Freshmen on their team this season.
Duke has had their fair share of old teams to show it’s not a “guarantee” you are going to win a championship just because you start all Upperclassmen.
It's not but I prefer it. I became a Duke fan in 86. Things were different then. But I'm old.
Gotcha, thats fair that it’s your preference to be older.
i wish guys stayed longer too. I come to terms with it by trying to put myself in some of these guys shoes. I won’t speak for any of you, but if I had the talent to go pro and be guaranteed millions of dollars as a 1st round NBA draft pick and my family/I came from poverty then I am bolting for the NBA unless I Really Love College.
I didn’t mean to go off tangent here, I think Scheyer is doing a Great Job retaining guys. The only off season he’s lost guys to the transfer portal was the summer of 2024 (the summer before Flagg/Knueppel/Maluach/Ngongba/Evans/Harris stepped foot on campus).
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Those mid 2000's years we had good guards but seemed to whiff on getting an elite big man several times. Paulus was the top rated h.s. point guard but didn't play like it. The tide seemed to shift when we got the Plumlees and Zubs finally got healthy. It was nice that guys stayed but there were recruiting misfires at that time.
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Yeah reflecting on things, it really hurt that Shavlik Randolph left early and Shaun Livingston went straight to the NBA out of high school both things happening going into the 2004-2005 season. Pairing those two guys with Redick, Williams, Ewing, Dockery, Melchionni, and Nelson is a Final 4 esque type team.
I also realized Duke had some older teams after the 2009-2010 season
2010-2011 (Kyrie year): Singler, Smith, Miles Plumlee, Curry.
2011-2012 (Rivers Year): Miles Plumlee, Curry, Mason Plumlee, Kelly, Dawkins.
2012-2013: Kelly, Mason Plumlee, Dawkins, Thornton, Hairston.
2013-2014: Thornton, Hairston, Cook.
I also realized Duke had some older teams after the 2009-2010 season
2010-2011 (Kyrie year): Singler, Smith, Miles Plumlee, Curry.
2011-2012 (Rivers Year): Miles Plumlee, Curry, Mason Plumlee, Kelly, Dawkins.
2012-2013: Kelly, Mason Plumlee, Dawkins, Thornton, Hairston.
2013-2014: Thornton, Hairston, Cook.
I thought getting Amile was big. He chose us over Kentucky and we weren't getting those athletic guys at the time. Then we had the monster class the next year. The lack of athleticism/quickness jumps out on a lot of those teams.
^ agreed Chris! Amile is one of my Favorite Blue Devils. He Developed into a good player throughout his career!
Chris I believe Duke beat out Villanova for Amile. He was a Philly kid. If I remember correctly.
Wonder if Pat declares for the NBA and if Flory decides to stay in college how much of a push will we make for him
So I just have to ask, Duke would pay heavily for a guy that choose Kansas over Duke in recruiting ? Talk about a buyers market . Time to really turn college into a developmental league .
