No one is acting like he is the next John Wooden. Wooden wasn't all that special until the NCAA started allowing Sam Gilbert to purchase his players for him. Can you show me one post suggesting Pope will ever approach Wooden's success?
Then you aren’t reading all the posts or got them on ignore. You did compare his first 11 years to Coach K though so I see why that could have offended you
Man where do you get this stuff? Do you honestly not understand what is going on? We don’t have unrealistic expectations. Mark pope was not hired to “have time to develop” he was brought in to fix the Calipari mess and win immediately. We relaxed year 1, and accepted a S16 even thought we shouldn’t need to do that. I’m a Pitino era kid, I know what college basketball is and I know what this program is about. Mark Pope had been a head coach a VERY LONG TIME. Why do you keep pretending he’s a young up and comer? Mark Pope is not young, he’s not good, he’s doing the EXACT same thing here he’s done at every stop. Kentucky should never even entertain a guy with his record. Ever.
Here we go.
And the second Stokes opts out, we all know what your first post will be.
Kentucky should never hire anyone who doesn’t have the potential to be a modern goat. Never. Unless it’s a weird bridge like Pearl or Pitino last time around and even then, you should probably still shoot for the younger guy who’s known as one of the ones thought to be the next generation guy.
I don’t know the figures. I do know what was said, and it’s Barnhart does not want tons of money allocated for basketball the way we could. It’s likely still more than most, or all, or top 3, but what was put up for potential wasn’t utilized. Agian just saying what was said.
Do you understand the concept of context? That is in no way claiming Pope will match K's success. It was a response to the claim that being a 63% career winner after 11 seasons was proof that he could not possibly do better. I provided a clear example of a 60.5% winner after 11 seasons going on to be one the best ever.Then you aren’t reading all the posts or got them on ignore. You did compare his first 11 years to Coach K though so I see why that could have offended you
And Pope is the one catching all the critisism.
Do you not understand sarcasm when I said people are acting like he’s the next John wooden? Lawd some of you all just want to argue constantly
You doubled down and told me there were lots of examples and I just missed them or had them on ignore. If you were being sarcastic with your claim it would have been more logical to just say so when I questioned it. Instead you chose to insult my post pointing out the fallacy of his claim.
I forgot to respond to your post yesterday. I was just pointing out people got mad at you when cal was here for criticizing him and now some people are mad at you for defending pope. That’s all I was saying. I don’t care how people feel about the deal with pope, they can do or think however they wish too. I get it why people like and dislike him
He has never had superior talent to work with and has dealt with extremely bad luck with injuries to the talent he has had since arriving here.
Or, just have a healthy pg, a tough nosed big man that can score and a bunch of good shooters.
Sorry about that, I misinterpreted your post.
Lots of examples? What the heck are you talking about? I pointed out your stats because what’s the odds that he’s the next Coach K? That’s funny to me. I hope he can do it because he’s a good guy but it’s going to be difficult for anyone to be that successful. Like I said some of you all just want to argue. Which is what you are trying to do with me. I don’t care if you love the guy, hate him or whatever. All I was originally pointing out was that some people are being outright ridiculous on both sides of this argument with pope. Not hard to see what I meant in the first place
Everyone is arguing so much I seen why you could have thought that I was trying too. I want Pope to win here so bad because he’s a nice guy. Not many coaches would have bought fans ice cream after a game like he did. He’s nice to all our fans that approach him. It would be cool to see a nice guy make it for once instead of people that are pricks.
"Then you aren’t reading all the posts or got them on ignore."-JR I made no implications about Pope ever matching Coach K's success. I presented an obvious example that it's possible to improve one's fortunes after 11 seasons especially when landing in a much better situation. Pope has had 2 years at UK. It was K's 6th year at Duke before he truly broke through. The fact remains nearly everyone here would have demanded he be fired by the end of year three if not sooner.
want him to win for so many reasons and honestly, he’s going to have to drop the nice guy thing, he’s going to need to be tougher and hold everyone accountable if he wants to be successful.
How you can’t read some of these posts and not see my point shocks me but whatever. Popes made mistakes and he’s done some good things. I just believe some people are being a little out of hand about that situation on both sides. You’re raising a point from 50 years ago with Coach K and wanting to act like it’s how the sport is currently? Ok. This isn’t the 80s brother, I wish things were like they were back then and I get your point.
People on the dang computer/phone are just to dang cruel all over the place on these apps and web pages. No excuse for it but it’s the world we live in anymore sadly. At least Coach is in a better spot than most. Majority of people that fail at their profession don’t still make millions of dollars.
BUT I couldn’t imagine the pressure of trying to succeed as a HC of a big program even with all that money they make.
No words of wisdom for you. Pearls before swine. You're the smartest kid in the class, nobody else is right EXCEPT YOU, even when they agree with you accidentally. Nobody can teach you anything because you are already convinced of your own brilliance. You will preen and prance in your superiority and still Pope will be gone after next year. You've hedged your bets in your own mind so you don't have to eat crow, but you are clearly a Pope ball-washer.
If you weren't comparing them, then why did you list them together? Were you just being randomly lazy or something? Are you mental?
Jeez man, all I did was prove that Pope won a recruiting battle.
I didn't compare them. I simply stated that both guys were brought in from the portal. Yes, Pope lost Yaxel to UofM, but he got Brea away from KU and UConn. Are those true, or not?
In the 5's somewhere. Worse than our coach if you look at seasons in a vacuum. Sure, you're right.
Yep, won't argue that.
I would give this 1000 likes. Wooden cannot be considered a good coach given that he "won" when his players were paid more than NBA players, and nobody else back then was paying players like that. He never won a lick without Gilbert's "support".
But they can coach the hell out of 3 star recruits whereas we do not have said coach
What would really help is if we land him and he proves his talent with a huge year. Then he goes top 5 in the draft that would help Pope get someone drafted proving that Kentucky is still the program for NBA legacy’s. Thats what I’m afraid of. I really believe Stokes wants the best shot at getting to the league with a big bag in college.
No one wants to cut him off, they just want to be able to say “ we didn’t want him anyway “ when he chooses another school. Stuff other fans wanted when facing calipari in a recruiting battle.
