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I knew this coming, but maybe not this soon. SEC to abandon SECCG ?

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The ACC championship game is certainly pointless. I would prefer multiple conferences (like all the P5) agree to ditch their championship games the same year, if that's what the SEC wants to do.
 
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This is unfortunate, but also inevitable with the expanded playoff.

I remember folks saying a conference title, especially in the SEC, would always be important, but that simply isn't the case when making the CFP is the ultimate goal of every team. When you throw in the fact that an SEC championship just earns you a first round bye, which is clearly a detriment, there is no good reason to maintain the game.
 
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92Pony said:
Does this mean auto-bids (conf. champs) for the CFP can also go away?!??
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As much as I dont really like the free births, especally with byes, I doubt that would change. At least there would be little chance of a three loss team getting a bid though. Still a long way from perfect but imo it would be an improvement.
 
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bayrooster said:
The ACC championship game is certainly pointless. I would prefer multiple conferences (like all the P5) agree to ditch their championship games the same year, if that's what the SEC wants to do.
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The ACC's poaching of the Big East 20 years ago to create a championship game in football never really had the desired result, and the league is just a watered-down version of its old self.
 
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atl-cock said:
The ACC's poaching of the Big East 20 years ago to create a championship game in football never really had the desired result, and the league is just a watered-down version of its old self.
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I think they had dreams of Miami/FSU being a perennial matchup of title contenders. And they both fizzled.
 
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Lurker123 said:
I think they had dreams of Miami/FSU being a perennial matchup of title contenders. And they both fizzled.
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Yes, and that's how the Canes and Noles ended up in different ACC divisions.

Miami was a perrenial baseball power until they joined the ACC.

As I often play the what if / alternate history of how USC athletics would have fared if we had stayed in the ACC, I wonder how ACC baseketball would have faired had the league not expanded past admitting F$U. Even though the ACC was founded back in 1953 with football in mind (all other sports being an afterthought), hoops ended up being their golden goose, and I think they killed it with Big East poaching. Other than the UnCarolina/Dook bluebloods, everybody else is now an also-ran.
 
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atl-cock said:
Yes, and that's how the Canes and Noles ended up in different ACC divisions.

Miami was a perrenial baseball power until they joined the ACC.

As I often play the what if / alternate history of how USC athletics would have fared if we had stayed in the ACC, I wonder how ACC baseketball would have faired had the league not expanded past admitting F$U. Even though the ACC was founded back in 1953 with football in mind (all other sports being an afterthought), hoops ended up being their golden goose, and I think they killed it with Big East poaching. Other than the UnCarolina/Dook bluebloods, everybody else is now an also-ran.
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After Miami joined the ACC in 2004, (but began play in 2005), they were in 3 College World Series, 2 Super Regionals, and 5 Regionals, under Jim Morris

2019-2023 they made Regionals every year. (2020 season. cancelled due to Covid)
2025 they made Super Regionals
 
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atl-cock said:
The ACC's poaching of the Big East 20 years ago to create a championship game in football never really had the desired result, and the league is just a watered-down version of its old self.
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ACC just became a bigger version of the Big East with that move. Watered conference down.
 
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GCJerryUSC said:
ACC just became a bigger version of the Big East with that move. Watered conference down.
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Agreed, but I wonder about the move. At the time it was made, was there a better option for them?

Miami looked like a slam dunk with BC being meh, and maybe not sucking.
 
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More evidence of the "NFLization" of college football. Conference championships used to be huge. They determined which teams went to the big bowl games and also determined who was in the final national championship conversation. The idea that a team could win a national championship without winning its conference championship was lunacy, as it should be.

The CFP has made the regular season and conference championships much less important, exactly like the NFL. Expanding to 12 teams was a terrible idea, further expansion is an even worse idea.
 
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Piscis said:
More evidence of the "NFLization" of college football. Conference championships used to be huge. They determined which teams went to the big bowl games and also determined who was in the final national championship conversation. The idea that a team could win a national championship without winning its conference championship was lunacy, as it should be.

The CFP has made the regular season and conference championships much less important, exactly like the NFL. Expanding to 12 teams was a terrible idea, further expansion is an even worse idea.
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There are no huge regular season games anymore. One of the great things about college football was the week-to-week tension. The regular season was a minefield that had to be navigated very nearly perfectly. It led to some monumental regular season games, in which the fate of one or both teams hung in the balance.

Now, no single regular season game is a big deal.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
There are no huge regular season games anymore. One of the great things about college football was the week-to-week tension. The regular season was a minefield that had to be navigated very nearly perfectly. It led to some monumental regular season games, in which the fate of one or both teams hung in the balance.

Now, no single regular season game is a big deal.
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As said above, the NFLization of college football. The championship games will go away, and a conference title will mean less and less, except maybe to the small conferences.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
There are no huge regular season games anymore. One of the great things about college football was the week-to-week tension. The regular season was a minefield that had to be navigated very nearly perfectly. It led to some monumental regular season games, in which the fate of one or both teams hung in the balance.

Now, no single regular season game is a big deal.
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Doing away with conference championship games will further minimize regular season games. With a championship game, a spot in the game could be on the line in a particular game.

Even traditional rivalry games have been diminished by the portal and NIL. Now, the team roster is somewhat new every year and a player that played for a hated rival might be on your team this season. A player your team recruited that chose another team is now nothing more than someone who made a pure financial decision, they didn't pick a school, campus or team they liked better. They chose the best offer.
 
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Piscis said:
Doing away with conference championship games will further minimize regular season games. With a championship game, a spot in the game could be on the line in a particular game.

Even traditional rivalry games have been diminished by the portal and NIL. Now, the team roster is somewhat new every year and a player that played for a hated rival might be on your team this season. A player your team recruited that chose another team is now nothing more than someone who made a pure financial decision, they didn't pick a school, campus or team they liked better. They chose the best offer.
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Yep. There are no must-see regular season games any longer.

It's going to get even worse since big-time non-conference regular season matchups are going by the wayside as well.

There will still be games like Alabama/LSU, Texas/OU that are must-see only for the sake of the tradition, but now that you can safely absorb 2 losses and still have a solid shot at the playoffs, there are no critical regular season games.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Yep. There are no must-see regular season games any longer.

It's going to get even worse since big-time non-conference regular season matchups are going by the wayside as well.

There will still be games like Alabama/LSU, Texas/OU that are must-see only for the sake of the tradition, but now that you can safely absorb 2 losses and still have a solid shot at the playoffs, there are no critical regular season games.
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I am not a fan of the inter conference games going away. Without several B10/SEC matchups to judge by, playoff rankings will be heavily determined by things like preseason rankings.

I think we have a requirement now for 9 regular season games and 1 P4 game, right? Ours is obviously Clemson, but i can imagine lots of other schools will be playing Syracuse, Rutgers, etc.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
There are no huge regular season games anymore. One of the great things about college football was the week-to-week tension. The regular season was a minefield that had to be navigated very nearly perfectly. It led to some monumental regular season games, in which the fate of one or both teams hung in the balance.

Now, no single regular season game is a big deal.
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These factors were mentioned by the discerning but ultimately dismissed in the name of undeserved inclusion.
 
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