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The last 3 games against Troy . Vanderbilt and Iowa he played 15. 14 and 12 minutes respectively.
a few of his big minute games were due to injury. Michigan and Minnesota. Blowouts like Northwestern and Rutgers. He did have big minutes in the Iowa game at home, OT plus he was hitting his shots and getting rebounds.
 
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He averaged 19.7mpg in B1G play. You're really good at this.
I don’t count the mop up minutes. Now he had to play more minutes against Michigan and Minnesota because of injuries .my original post was to point out if Cale plays more minutes next year as the OP stated it’s because Fred struck out in the portal or just decided to roll with Cale . And I really like Cale he gives us everything he has but if his minutes increase dramatically we are not in very shape at that position.
 
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I mean...the coaches job is to try and replace all 5 starters with better players each year.

The players job is to try and do everything they can to keep their starting spot.
 

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Don't disagree, but most of the point guards out there that are "better" don't bring the intangibles such as the rebounding and the flat hustle that Hoiberg brought.
Certainly a trade off. Figure out a way to keep everyone and add an experienced pg who can reliably score and I think this team could be dangerous next year.

Curtis/Uggy
Berke
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Sandfort
Pg

Jacobson
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Essegian
 

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Saw Washut on Big Red Wrap-Up and had to agree with his takes. He said we need a 5 that replaces Rienk he's still not sure that Uggy will be healthy enough to be that guy. He thinks it's more important that the guy be a good passer than a great shooter (like Derrick Walker for example). Also said maybe taking two PG's, and also if there is another spot available at that point you take the best guy available. That would mean someone leaving, I can't think of too many guys I actually want to leave!

He thinks Dak is going to be expensive and he may not be a great fit anyway. I still like Anderson from NDSU.
 
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Saw Washut on Big Red Wrap-Up and had to agree with his takes. He said we need a 5 that replaces Rienk he's still not sure that Uggy will be healthy enough to be that guy. He thinks it's more important that the guy be a good passer than a great shooter (like Derrick Walker for example). Also said maybe taking two PG's, and also if there is another spot available at that point you take the best guy available. That would mean someone leaving, I can't think of too many guys I actually want to leave!

He thinks Dak is going to be expensive and he may not be a great fit anyway. I still like Anderson from NDSU.

Did Washut copy my comments from post #78?
 

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Saw Washut on Big Red Wrap-Up and had to agree with his takes. He said we need a 5 that replaces Rienk he's still not sure that Uggy will be healthy enough to be that guy. He thinks it's more important that the guy be a good passer than a great shooter (like Derrick Walker for example). Also said maybe taking two PG's, and also if there is another spot available at that point you take the best guy available. That would mean someone leaving, I can't think of too many guys I actually want to leave!

He thinks Dak is going to be expensive and he may not be a great fit anyway. I still like Anderson from NDSU.
Not sure you could get 2 quality PG in the portal that would come to the same school.
 
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Lanier is really, really good. In Fred's system, he's a guy who will terrorize people off the dribble and hit the 3. I think he takes over Frager's sixth man role next year.

So really just one stud point guard to add to the mix. I don't see a need for two guards. If we want to add a 2nd, let it be a big forward. Someone who can guard 3 thru 5.
I don’t think one guard can totally give you the stats Sam did across the board. I know he didn’t stand out in one area (assist to turnovers not withstanding), but he put up lines you just don’t see one guy getting very often. He did so many things for the team that people don’t fully understand imo. His production will have to be sucked up by others. Just like this year when all of us wondered where the production was gonna come from after Brice and Juwan expired their eligibility
 

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So what’s up with uggy's back.
It’s a back. That’s about all the info you get about back stuff. Just like Jmar this year. I have mad respect for that guy. Spent warmups and bench time with that heated brace on for most of the year. Poor guy ran like a 60 year old coming out of the tunnel for 2nd halves this year.
 

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Maybe if they were a low-tier guy from a DII or something? You know, like a Stirtz. ;)
(How TF did that guy ever end up at a DII?)
Ya . He is from liberty in Missouri which is high 20k population. You just never know the competition level.he was an all stater I just don’t know what level Liberty is in Missouri. He was definitely overlooked though.
 
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Certainly a trade off. Figure out a way to keep everyone and add an experienced pg who can reliably score and I think this team could be dangerous next year.

Curtis/Uggy
Berke
Frager
Sandfort
Pg

Jacobson
Curtis/Uggy
Essegian
I am not of the opinion that the proposed line up and backups is enough. I agree with tuco when you combine all Sam did, it adds up to a lot of points with rebounds, steals, assists and point added together.

Who makes up for Frager's 12 points off the bench and then combine his ability to score on the drive and rebound. Essegian can't do all of that.

Curtis has shown very little in very little playing time. He had some nice baby hooks, but ability to body up, rebound against bigger bodies and most of all, get his body in position to make plays is missing.

If some of the pieces are not there, it will just make it much easier to shut down Sandfort. The emphasis on opposing teams was to deny him at all costs and let the chips fall where they may from the rest of the starter.

We need additional scoring, rebounding and that game changer in the middle that makes players think twice about coming in there. Rink was not great at everything, not a big shot blocker or rebounder but a good passer and outside shooter with Iowa being the outlier. There is just a lot more there to replace than appears on paper. That is my opinion.
 
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I don’t think one guard can totally give you the stats Sam did across the board. I know he didn’t stand out in one area (assist to turnovers not withstanding), but he put up lines you just don’t see one guy getting very often. He did so many things for the team that people don’t fully understand imo. His production will have to be sucked up by others. Just like this year when all of us wondered where the production was gonna come from after Brice and Juwan expired their eligibility
Well said! If there was a stat for grabbing loose balls, Hoiberg would have led the nation. He just did so many things well.
 

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Maybe if they were a low-tier guy from a DII or something? You know, like a Stirtz. ;)
(How TF did that guy ever end up at a DII?)
Great question. Some guys just fly under the radar. I bet his situation was like Baylor Scheierman's. Nobody at the major college level looks at these guys close enough to see their potential. Then there were others who were "too blind to see".
 
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I am not of the opinion that the proposed line up and backups is enough. I agree with tuco when you combine all Sam did, it adds up to a lot of points with rebounds, steals, assists and point added together.

Who makes up for Frager's 12 points off the bench and then combine his ability to score on the drive and rebound. Essegian can't do all of that.

Curtis has shown very little in very little playing time. He had some nice baby hooks, but ability to body up, rebound against bigger bodies and most of all, get his body in position to make plays is missing.

If some of the pieces are not there, it will just make it much easier to shut down Sandfort. The emphasis on opposing teams was to deny him at all costs and let the chips fall where they may from the rest of the starter.

We need additional scoring, rebounding and that game changer in the middle that makes players think twice about coming in there. Rink was not great at everything, not a big shot blocker or rebounder but a good passer and outside shooter with Iowa being the outlier. There is just a lot more there to replace than appears on paper. That is my opinion.
I wouldn't say you are wrong, and I admit I don't even know what PG options are realistic. I just think a really good pg could take care of a lot of our needs and cover up holes.

We aren't replicating Sam's defense and rebounding in a single player, but collectively I think we can improve our rebounding with increased length and athleticism.

If we can recruit over Curtis, while getting a top notch PG, great. I think he's ready to take the next step. I guess we'll see if Fred agrees. I don't think we necessarily need our big to be a reliable outside shooter. Appreciate everything Mast did, but he definitely had deficiencies.

Only 2 that have announced they will be back are Uggy and Essegian?
 

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Don't disagree, but most of the point guards out there that are "better" don't bring the intangibles such as the rebounding and the flat hustle that Hoiberg brought.
One thing Nebraska lacked, and needs to continue to lack, is a point guard who creates for himself. Playing against those guys instead of having to play with one gave us at least six more wins. Can't have a offense that moves the ball like Fred's offense does when your point guard is a ball hog. Movement off the ball slows down when players know that they are never getting the ball.
 
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Saw Washut on Big Red Wrap-Up and had to agree with his takes. He said we need a 5 that replaces Rienk he's still not sure that Uggy will be healthy enough to be that guy. He thinks it's more important that the guy be a good passer than a great shooter (like Derrick Walker for example). Also said maybe taking two PG's, and also if there is another spot available at that point you take the best guy available. That would mean someone leaving, I can't think of too many guys I actually want to leave!

He thinks Dak is going to be expensive and he may not be a great fit anyway. I still like Anderson from NDSU.
I normally disagree with Washut, but he is right on all three points here.
 
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One thing Nebraska lacked, and needs to continue to lack, is a point guard who creates for himself. Playing against those guys instead of having to play with one gave us at least six more wins. Can't have a offense that moves the ball like Fred's offense does when your point guard is a ball hog. Movement off the ball slows down when players know that they are never getting the ball.
This gave me a chuckle, along with a "what the hell is this guy talking about." So we want to limit our offensive potency, not improve it? Got it. Having a guy that can create is good thing, in every single way. Just because a guy can create doesn't mean that's the offense or that he's a "ball hog." In our last two games, we could have really used a guy like that. "Sorry Tyler, we're really not interested, you are way too good at getting open shots and scoring a lot." You know what happens when a guy can create, or can get around his defender and penetrate the lane? Not only can he score more easily, the other guys on the team are often times wide open as a result.
 

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This gave me a chuckle, along with a "what the hell is this guy talking about." So we want to limit our offensive potency, not improve it? Got it. Having a guy that can create is good thing, in every single way. Just because a guy can create doesn't mean that's the offense or that he's a "ball hog." In our last two games, we could have really used a guy like that. "Sorry Tyler, we're really not interested, you are way too good at getting open shots and scoring a lot." You know what happens when a guy can create, or can get around his defender and penetrate the lane? Not only can he score more easily, the other guys on the team are often times wide open as a result.
Frager is that type of guy . Did you not watch the Vanderbilt game.I think as he gets older he will continue to improve in that area. Nuts point is we don’t need or want a Teddy Allen type that is going to just go off and do is own thing and ignore the team concept.