Oil Deliveries to US Will Stop on April 15

hopefultiger13

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Dude, seriously? This isn't Donald Trump's fault. I blame Obama even though he's been out of office for 10 years. And if you can't blame Obama, you can certainly blame Biden. But one thing is certain, this isn't Trump's fault AT ALL.
You also have to realize that even though you are paying more for gas, that doesn't mean that it costs more. Prices haven't really gone up. I mean, who are you going to believe, DONALD TRUMP or your "woke ***, leftist" wallet?

Finally, you have to know that even though MAGA was screaming about gas prices under Biden, they don't mind the same or higher prices under Trump. After all Trump promised us that energy prices would be between 50 and 70 % lower after a year or so. So even though you are paying more, gas prices are really half as much as they were under Biden.
 

Jfcarter3

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Sure, why not? You want Iran to have Nukes?
According to the delusion nonsense I just heard, we don’t really care. So, sure. Good job showing Iran that they can own the Straight of Hormuz and make a metric fuckton of money. Well played.
 

TigerGrowls

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Why gas prices higher then?
Glad to educate you. The oil business is an open market. Foreign countries like China are coming to buy oil in the US market to replace what they are losing in the middle east which raises demand and price.

You're welcome.
 

Jfcarter3

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Y’all are against helping your own people but are for helping the Chinese at Americans’ costs? And here I thought you were Xenophobic. Turns out you’re just anti-American.

Wait, that tracks.
 
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Jfcarter3

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Wtf??? Do you want Trump to nationalize the oil industry and keep it all here???
WTF is right. I don’t give a rats *** how it happens, but what I want is for my costs to go down like your orange messiah promised as opposed to going up like has occurred in reality. You heard of it? Reality? We have engaged in military operations against the largest reserve in the world and a top 5 OPEC producer and prices are skyrocketing. If he is so star spangled awesome then why can’t he fix this (that he created, I might add, to eliminate nukes Iran had but we obliterated but they had again after obliteration)? Now, give your token “laugh” emoji, perhaps redirect with some nonsense, and/or go to your safe space of spam posting ******** from nut job MAGA social media feeds.
 

TigerGrowls

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WTF is right. I don’t give a rats *** how it happens, but what I want is for my costs to go down like your orange messiah promised as opposed to going up like has occurred in reality. You heard of it? Reality? We have engaged in military operations against the largest reserve in the world and a top 5 OPEC producer and prices are skyrocketing. If he is so star spangled awesome then why can’t he fix this (that he created, I might add, to eliminate nukes Iran had but we obliterated but they had again after obliteration)? Now, give your token “laugh” emoji, perhaps redirect with some nonsense, and/or go to your safe space of spam posting ******** from nut job MAGA social media feeds.
Please direct me to your posts of displeasure on this board about costs when Biden had inflation at astronomical rates. How do you think k the dems will be able to do anything good about it knowing their policies?
 

yoshi121374

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Please direct me to your posts of displeasure on this board about costs when Biden had inflation at astronomical rates. How do you think k the dems will be able to do anything good about it knowing their policies?

How about admitting that the only reason gas prices are high now is due to this unprovoked war Trump started in Iran?
 

letsgocu

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How about admitting that the only reason gas prices are high now is due to this unprovoked war Trump started in Iran?

The issue with some of us isn’t admitting the reality or facts of the situation. Facts are facts.

But the issue is the foolery comprised of you and others that want to bring facts up when it benefits you. And then when similar facts are presented of which you and your kind ignored, then you all say it’s irrelevant.

example. Yes, Trump made the decision to begin attacking Iran. Also fact, we would be here if Obama and Biden did not allow Iran the money and space to build. Therefore, Obama and Biden actions put us in this position to have to make this decision.

but your dumbasses chose to disregard those facts and when it happened, you all protected Obama and Biden and tried to explain it away.

That’s the problem. Two faced. Double standards. Morally bankrupt.
 

JohnHughsPartner

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The issue with some of us isn’t admitting the reality or facts of the situation. Facts are facts.

But the issue is the foolery comprised of you and others that want to bring facts up when it benefits you. And then when similar facts are presented of which you and your kind ignored, then you all say it’s irrelevant.

example. Yes, Trump made the decision to begin attacking Iran. Also fact, we would be here if Obama and Biden did not allow Iran the money and space to build. Therefore, Obama and Biden actions put us in this position to have to make this decision.

but your dumbasses chose to disregard those facts and when it happened, you all protected Obama and Biden and tried to explain it away.

That’s the problem. Two faced. Double standards. Morally bankrupt.
This X 1000⬆️
 

firegiver

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I can admit this: the reason gas prices are up is because of the Iran war.

However, your argument of it being unprovoked is low IQ.
Burden of PROOF is on you.
Trump has not articulated any such proof. He states the Iran deal was bad, without any proof. Our own intelligence agencies say it was good and we used it to supervise their use of Nuclear enrichment for the purposes of technology.

You need solid intelligence when waging a war yes? Otherwise what are you doing? Trump destoryed our process to keep Iranian nuclear enrichment in check. Now he says they were two weeks away or wahtever from having the bomb. But wheres the proof?
 

yoshi121374

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I can admit this: the reason gas prices are up is because of the Iran war.

However, your argument of it being unprovoked is low IQ.

I guess it is low IQ of me to take Trump at his word that Iran's nuclear capabilities were obliterated and they were set back decades.

I also haven't seen any clear or consistent messaging of why this was necessary.

We did attack them first and have attacked them first in both recent encounters.

We/Israel have created a mess with no end game that is actually better for Americans.
 
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letsgocu

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Burden of PROOF is on you.
Trump has not articulated any such proof. He states the Iran deal was bad, without any proof. Our own intelligence agencies say it was good and we used it to supervise their use of Nuclear enrichment for the purposes of technology.

You need solid intelligence when waging a war yes? Otherwise what are you doing? Trump destoryed our process to keep Iranian nuclear enrichment in check. Now he says they were two weeks away or wahtever from having the bomb. But wheres the proof?
Yeah low IQ.

47 years. Iran has been not only vocal for their disdain for Israel and US, but has acted on it. They’ve sponsored terrorism and attacked US interests and soldiers. There’s PROOF for those things. There’s also proof that Iran has the means and capability to enrich to build bombs.

Doesn’t help when you kill 40000+ of your own citizens.
 

firegiver

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Yeah low IQ.

47 years. Iran has been not only vocal for their disdain for Israel and US, but has acted on it. They’ve sponsored terrorism and attacked US interests and soldiers. There’s PROOF for those things. There’s also proof that Iran has the means and capability to enrich to build bombs.

Doesn’t help when you kill 40000+ of your own citizens.
Sorry bud you need sources and proof not vibes and "just trust me bro" speculation. Your argument is weak when compared to what the cost is being asked the American tax payer.
 

Fac

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According to the delusion nonsense I just heard, we don’t really care. So, sure. Good job showing Iran that they can own the Straight of Hormuz and make a metric fuckton of money. Well played.
You seemed to not answer the question if you would rather Iran have Nukes.
 

yoshi121374

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You seemed to not answer the question if you would rather Iran have Nukes.

We've heard Iran was a nuclear threat for nearly 50 years. Then 6 months ago we were told that we completely obliterated their ability to have a nuclear weapon for decades.

I have yet to hear or see any actual proof that Iran was a threat to us
 

nytigerfan

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The issue with some of us isn’t admitting the reality or facts of the situation. Facts are facts.

But the issue is the foolery comprised of you and others that want to bring facts up when it benefits you. And then when similar facts are presented of which you and your kind ignored, then you all say it’s irrelevant.

example. Yes, Trump made the decision to begin attacking Iran. Also fact, we would be here if Obama and Biden did not allow Iran the money and space to build. Therefore, Obama and Biden actions put us in this position to have to make this decision.

but your dumbasses chose to disregard those facts and when it happened, you all protected Obama and Biden and tried to explain it away.

That’s the problem. Two faced. Double standards. Morally bankrupt.

trump canceled obama's iran deal in 2018. He was still president for 2.5 years after he did that. So if you are making this argument and blaming obama and biden, then you also need to blame trump.

You see, that's your problem. Two faced. Double standards. Morally bankrupt.
 

LafayetteBear

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Doesn’t help when you kill 40000+ of your own citizens.
Other posters can (and have) focused on the "Iran developing a nuclear bomb issue" in debating with you. I want to focus on the issue of the 40,000 Iranians killed by their own government over the last four or so months.

It's without question a terrible thing, and I hope it results in a change of the ruling regime in Iran. I strongly believe, however, that the United States should not and cannot be the party responsible for effecting that regime change. I believe any attempt on our part to do so will backfire on us. There is a large swath of Iranians, particularly younger Iranians, that revile the Iranian theocracy. The problem is that their dislike of the Iranian theocracy is only marginally stronger than their dislike of the United States, particularly the United States under Donald Trump. We have been combing the crap out of them, and now we expect them to rally around a U.S. backed leader for their new government? I can't see that selling in Iran at all.

Trump might possibly be able to engage in some kind of back channel negotiation with Iranians (query which Iranians; certainly not the mullahs) over their proposals for a new Iranian leader(ship). Seeking some kind of veto power but otherwise staying out of the process of identifying and proposing a new Iranian leader might stand a chance of success. Even that is a bit of a stretch, though.