Steve Alford didn't have the track record Ben does.
Can We Please Slow Our Roll on the Curt Cignetti Comparisons or the Immediate Contract Renegotiation?
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Another ideal use of the sob react here. It's the best emoji to use ironically. How do I talk to someone with the juice to make it happen? lol
I honestly thought the comparison came because of the similar haircuts. The more you know....
If we're going to play devil's advocate:
-Stirtz is probably the best PG talent in school history. Yet Iowa had several bad losses, only got a 9 seed, and was one clutch Alvaro shot from equaling a common Fran result. Now Stirtz is gone.
-Hausen was brought in and was rarely used, showing that Ben is capable of making recruiting whiffs or has limited funds and is forced to bargain hunt.
-The school itself is still obsessed with football, wrestling, and rich kid sports. None of its facilities are friendly to student bball players. Half the CRWC is a giant swimming pool and 2/3 of the courts go to soccer and volleyball at night. NIL is a paltry $4million compared to Indiana's $32 million. Stirtz took a paycut to come here based on past relations, such bargains wont exist in the future.
-Stirtz is probably the best PG talent in school history. Yet Iowa had several bad losses, only got a 9 seed, and was one clutch Alvaro shot from equaling a common Fran result. Now Stirtz is gone.
-Hausen was brought in and was rarely used, showing that Ben is capable of making recruiting whiffs or has limited funds and is forced to bargain hunt.
-The school itself is still obsessed with football, wrestling, and rich kid sports. None of its facilities are friendly to student bball players. Half the CRWC is a giant swimming pool and 2/3 of the courts go to soccer and volleyball at night. NIL is a paltry $4million compared to Indiana's $32 million. Stirtz took a paycut to come here based on past relations, such bargains wont exist in the future.
Alford never had a run at Iowa like Ben just had, nor did he have the kind of sustained success before he got to Iowa. Others have already flagged the misogyny and additional issues with your OP.
That said, I find myself in agreement with your last sentence here. Ben just signed a contract and it's too soon to upgrade it unless he has an offer in hand. I'd be cool, though, with giving Ben a bonus to recognize his NCAA tourney achievement (maybe there's already one built into his contract?).
Actually BMs success is more impressive than Cignetti. BM doesn’t have a Mark Cuban flooding the roster and athletic department with absurd amounts of money.
I'm no Alford fan, but are you sure he didn't have any kind of success before he got to Iowa...or do you breathe with your mouth and have a memory that only goes back 1 year?
After going 31-1 at the DIII level (3 straight titles), he got hired by Missouri State. He then took that no-name school to the Sweet 16 in 1999 and bolted to Iowa. Missouri State has never been back to the NCAA tournament since. Sounds pretty even with Ben's resume prior to coming to Iowa.
Alford then moved on to New Mexico, where he was 3x coach of the year in the Mountain West Conference.
He then moved on to UCLA where he took them to 3 Sweet 16s in 5 years as their coach.
Now he's at Nevada where he's taken them to 2 NCAA tournaments.
Not popular in Iowa, but he's clearly not the worst coach out there. He's had a lot of success.
Pretty much never gonna find a coach that suits your standards if reaching a round in the NCAA Tournament that hasn't been seen at Iowa in 4 decades - in their FIRST season, with a sub-optimal roster - isn't good enough for you.
Someone also said that Iowa reached the Elite8 by "being a little lucky". Don't really understand how having to play and beating the highest possible seed available in each round, from the Round of 64 through the Sweet16, is "being lucky" - not to mention beating each of those teams at their best attributes - but ... ok sure, I guess??
Someone also said that Iowa reached the Elite8 by "being a little lucky". Don't really understand how having to play and beating the highest possible seed available in each round, from the Round of 64 through the Sweet16, is "being lucky" - not to mention beating each of those teams at their best attributes - but ... ok sure, I guess??
Hell ya lock Ben in.
If Alvaro didn't hit that shot, we'd still be high in Ben. Iowa took probable national champ Michigan to the wire.
Ya, the 'bad losses' were disappointing. If they win 2 of the 3 bad losses, the conference record looks a hell of a lot better. I'm confident Ben will dwell on those games all off season.
All that said, any comparison to what Cig is doing is just silly. That's Mars level ****.
If Alvaro didn't hit that shot, we'd still be high in Ben. Iowa took probable national champ Michigan to the wire.
Ya, the 'bad losses' were disappointing. If they win 2 of the 3 bad losses, the conference record looks a hell of a lot better. I'm confident Ben will dwell on those games all off season.
All that said, any comparison to what Cig is doing is just silly. That's Mars level ****.
Yeah, no this is our coach. Most definitely lock him up. An elite 8 run buys 5 years in my estimation, at the very least.
This guy thinks the ‘96 Bulls, who went 72-10, had a bad year because they lost to the lowly Raptors during the season.
Where, exactly, did I say Alford didn't have any kind of success? I said he didn't have the kind of sustained success Ben had. Big difference.
Moreover, Alford was nowhere close to the "pretty even" claim you make. Those three titles you mention at Manchester were all conference championships. That's a fine achievement, but they weren't national titles. He obviously had a great season in 1995 with that 31-1 team, but they lost the in the championship game to Bo Ryan's squad at UW-P. Ben had 12 conference championships at NMSU (including each of his last 11 seasons there) plus one at Drake, and 4 national titles at NMSU.
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@kwik44 - Thank you for unwittingly making my point.
Iowa just signed McCollum to a 6 year contract less than a year ago. Yes, an elite 8 run should buy a coach 5 years...that's rational. However, it should NOT buy a coach who just signed a new contract an insane raise and an indefinite term. He just got here.
You are comparing Iowa's 10-10 season with the Bulls 72-10 season? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nah, I’m just pointing out how dumb you are. Get rid of the exclamation points, Benes. Go back to sniffing your own a$$hole.
I think we now know the burner account of Connor Mccaffrey.
I think the issue here is that in this day and age everyone is fickle and can be bought. There are some teams coming up who may be interested in Ben such as Unc and potentially Kansas if Self retires. I agree that we shouldn't give him a Barta type of extension but perhaps bump his salary for the existing contract. He definitely earned it in my opinion. And I don't take him for the type of guy who will be satisfied with the current run, he will want to improve in the years to come.
Ok Connor
This is a year old, so if someone has more up to date info, please share, but Big 10 coaches salaries ranked is listed here:
www.si.com
McCollum is 14th out of 18 in the league as of the time of that article. I'm OK with not necessarily throwing a bunch of extra years on the contract, but I think a raise would be warranted. Ben should be paid more than bottom third money, IMO.
Where does Niko Medved's contract rank among Big Ten coaches?
Medved is expected to make at least $3 million next season.
www.si.com
McCollum is 14th out of 18 in the league as of the time of that article. I'm OK with not necessarily throwing a bunch of extra years on the contract, but I think a raise would be warranted. Ben should be paid more than bottom third money, IMO.
What a shame. Heard that Phil Jackson could’ve been a great coach otherwise.
Nah, he's a football board troll that dabbles in trolling basketball as well.
I think the only reason he doesn't troll the wrestling board is because he doesn't care at all about the sport and is entirely indifferent to whether Iowa is successful in sports outside of football and men's basketball.
The only time you'll catch him responding about any other sport is if that sport has a highly disappointing season where high expectations weren't met, and he just regurgitates a bunch of talking points that others have already brought up many times throughout the season, but in an antagonistic and pessimistic manner like he's on a soap box as the "voice of reason" championing the wishes, nay the DEMANDS!!!, of the fanbase..................
Honestly, the solution is to respond to him by solely calling out his schtick rather than arguing anything he says in his posts, because then he'll just pretend to ignore you and stop responding. He hasn't replied to me in years, which I think even dates back before his whole Caitlin Clark/Sam LaPorta prediction debacle.
If the worst thing that happens is we get him dropping these kind of threads (which he's not gonna stop doing, short of getting banned) and he's reduced to a single post talking to himself because nobody will engage with him other than to point out that we all get what he's doing by making these threads, then so be it........
Yeah, he really is a troll. I'm going to call him TrollSlaw.Nah, he's a football board troll that dabbles in trolling basketball as well.
I think the only reason he doesn't troll the wrestling board is because he doesn't care at all about the sport and is entirely indifferent to whether Iowa is successful in sports outside of football and men's basketball.
The only time you'll catch him responding about any other sport is if that sport has a highly disappointing season where high expectations weren't met, and he just regurgitates a bunch of talking points that others have already brought up many times throughout the season, but in an antagonistic and pessimistic manner like he's on a soap box as the "voice of reason" championing the wishes, nay the DEMANDS!!!, of the fanbase..................
Honestly, the solution is to respond to him by solely calling out his schtick rather than arguing anything he says in his posts, because then he'll just pretend to ignore you and stop responding. He hasn't replied to me in years, which I think even dates back before his whole Caitlin Clark/Sam LaPorta prediction debacle.
If the worst thing that happens is we get him dropping these kind of threads (which he's not gonna stop doing, short of getting banned) and he's reduced to a single post talking to himself because nobody will engage with him other than to point out that we all get what he's doing by making these threads, then so be it........
I feel like that could be a new internet phrase. "Stop eating the TrollSlaw"