Maybe.
If you think losing her is a positive than I don't know what to tell you.
I am always the positive guy. It will work out...but damn this still sucks.
Addie Deal enters transfer portal
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Maybe.
If you think losing her is a positive than I don't know what to tell you.
I am always the positive guy. It will work out...but damn this still sucks.
Let’s look at it this way. The spot she thought was hers went to Chit Chat. I would argue Chit Chat is the reason she is leaving - holding her spot for the next 2 years. I think Chit Chat is the better player. By all accounts the WBB is top 5 in the nation in money allocated to the program. We have gotten Lucy and Chit chat in the portal. I expect bumps in the program success. I think Jan is still finding her identity as a coach. She appears to be gravitating to a more traditional game style. Elite Bigs, good shooters and strong defense. Just a straight out score mentality is a tough strategy to succeed with.
I mentioned earlier Remmerde. Now she would have been a star at Iowa but I don’t think she ever would have been happy. I can’t say the same about Deal.
It can suck, its just not the end of the world which was the post I was original responding to. Anymore the girls and athletes in general can leave at any point. There is no barriers and actually incentive to leave. Its a tough environment to succeed in. Iowa has some definite advantages though.
I'm not sure she will ever be a star. I wanted her to succeed as much as anyone but her foot speed, defense, and just overall athleticism will be an issue wherever she lands. She will be a nice role player IMO but time will tell if she made the right call in leaving. As i always say in football recruiting get me someone in here who wants to be work and be a Hawk.
One could point out Jan was loyal to specific players this past season. Not a big deal, coaches tend to have their favorites
Kind of my thought as well. Lot of resources and effort to get Deal and other high level recruits. It is about roster management now whether people like it or not.
This isn't just about Deal, this is what this coaching staff needs to understand going forward. Player identification is more important and you kind of need to play and get production out of the higher salary players.
I'm not sure loyal is the right word, but with any relationship it's a two way street. Maybe Jan was loyal to the people who were loyal to her.
Lets talk dollars and cents
Lucy - $500K/yr
Chit Chat - $200k/yr
Rodriguez - $300k/yr
Deal - $1,000,000 +/yr
You can use that to supplement your team.
Lucy - $500K/yr
Chit Chat - $200k/yr
Rodriguez - $300k/yr
Deal - $1,000,000 +/yr
You can use that to supplement your team.
She sprained her ankle pretty early in the conference season and never really looked the same after that. Let me know how you’re running after a sprain ankle!
Jan gave deference to the seniors, which most coaches do. I think the allocation of minutes based on court performance was pretty close to spot on. Deal got the right amount of minutes this year. IMO Jan's biggest mistake with Deal was giving her the starting nod when McCabe went down. She took a step back after that.
It’s not only all of this, it’s also her straight-line movement running the floor.
It’s all extremely slow.
If you sprain your ankle, you’ll miss time. Whether it’s a week for a very mild case or several weeks / months for a bad sprain.
It looks like Hays saw minutes in every game.
One of my favorite examples of persistence and the value of player development was Hannah Stewart. She played an average 2.3 minutes as a freshman. Besides having a basketball skill some people said she was a better softball pitcher coming out of high school. She chose to stick with basketball and put in the work. She was a key starter for the Hawkeyes her senior year. Those were the days! Unfortunately those days appear to be gone. One can’t blame young people for chasing the dollar but I kind of agree with Coach Hurley. Not all, but many young people in our society have become too soft and want what they want right now!
I’m one who is concerned about losing Deal. I don’t like the image it gives. I don’t know her ceiling but I do believe if she puts in the work in player development she can become a very good player. Our offense, at least this past year, does not suit her game. I am concerned about this defection appearing to be an example for many that perception becoming reality of a crumbling program. Hope I’m not overthinking things.
I’m one who is concerned about losing Deal. I don’t like the image it gives. I don’t know her ceiling but I do believe if she puts in the work in player development she can become a very good player. Our offense, at least this past year, does not suit her game. I am concerned about this defection appearing to be an example for many that perception becoming reality of a crumbling program. Hope I’m not overthinking things.
How is finishing 27-7 and a 2 seed in the tournament the sign of a crumbling program? I mean cmon!
The jury will be out for some time on losing Deal. I’m an old “a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush” kind of guy. I don’t think getting better players in the portal is going to be as easy as many seem to think. I wish she would have taken the “Hannah Stewart“ approach and stuck it out. We have crossed that bridge so I’m hoping those who think this is better for the program are correct.
By all accounts those are the numbers that have been discussed.
If Iowa had the FDU guard court, they would have been in the Elite 8. Let that sink in.
Where did these numbers come from?
I remember someone on the board, I think it was probably the old rivals board that after watching the McDonald's game that Deal played had his doubts about her because of her speed and athletic ability. Many including me thought he was full of it. Turns out he was right on the money with his analysis.
TheWriterJosh
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Iowa Hawkeyes
"Idk why people think this. Iowa has tons of NIL money. They paid $400k for Olsen. $250k for Chit Chat. Brad Heinrichs said in a podcast that only 4 schools could afford Lucy last year and Iowa was one of them. He basically said Iowa is doing great for WBB (and admitted that’s not the case for MBB).
If we’re being more curious about who else is on that list, I’d guess 2 of the other 3 that could afford Lucy were Maryland (since she had a visit set to go there as well) & LSU (duh). Maybe the last was Indiana or TN — I can’t remember all of her offers. The only big schools that didn’t want her were basically UConn, SC, and ND, who all have great NIL.
So if all those schools are ahead of Iowa, it still puts Iowa in the top 10 for NIL. We might even be Top 5."
This is coming from Josh who ran the Women's board and articles on the other site before it was taken over. He is now over on reddit. The other information is from interviews with Brad Heinrichs who runs the SWARM - the Iowa collective of NIL deals. I was told personally the actually compensation to Lucy was 500k even though its been reported as 400k. We paid 300k to Rodriguez and there is actual more information on that and I am sure it will come out in the future in information requests as that money came specifically out of the WBB budget since she is not a US Citizen. She is ineligible for NIL Deals per say. Josh had stated the compensation for Deal was in the 1 million range in the recruiting thread on the other site.
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Mr. Leistikow goes deeper on this on the Hawk Central pod that dropped earlier today.
Said the pressure on the Iowa coaching staff applied by her parents and agent for more playing time was so strong that there is a sense of relief she's hitting the portal.
It's always a good listen: https://omny.fm/shows/hawk-central-...rture-portal-preview-for-iowa-mens-basketball
Said the pressure on the Iowa coaching staff applied by her parents and agent for more playing time was so strong that there is a sense of relief she's hitting the portal.
It's always a good listen: https://omny.fm/shows/hawk-central-...rture-portal-preview-for-iowa-mens-basketball
I would disagree. CC is small. AD could look over the defense, look down court like Caitlyn. Just never got the point where she could run things
All coaches have their favorites no question, i have mine and my players know it. My favorites are the players that bust their *** every day, the players that make each other better, the players that do the work where not noticed and the players that don't expect anything given to them, those are my favorite players.
Chit Chat?Umm . . . you seriously want to debate CC and AD?
There is only 1 CC and that is not Chit Chat. But if you want to go that route.
Chit Chat in 34 minutes a game averaged the following. 2 TO a game vs 4.5 assists her shooting % were 42.9% 44% on 3's and 84.1% Free throws.
Addie Deal
16.7 minutes a game 1.7 TO vs 1.6 Assists. 39.4% shooting percentage 29.7% on 3's and 68% on Free Throws.
We still doing this?
CCW is twice the PG and overall player that Deal is today. CC is a much better athlete, ball handler, and shooter than Addie. Size is always an asset in basketball, but it's hardly the most important, particularly at the guard position. The number one point guard recruit and number one ranked recruit overall for 2027 is 5'5" Kaleena Smith.
Yep, we're in a time now where college coaches actually have to deal with stupid parents. Add freaking AGENTS to the equation and it helps create a massive poop show. If this is the case I would understand that there might be some relief by the staff. Parents ruin a positive environment for coaches.
TheWriterJosh
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Iowa Hawkeyes
"Idk why people think this. Iowa has tons of NIL money. They paid $400k for Olsen. $250k for Chit Chat. Brad Heinrichs said in a podcast that only 4 schools could afford Lucy last year and Iowa was one of them. He basically said Iowa is doing great for WBB (and admitted that’s not the case for MBB).
If we’re being more curious about who else is on that list, I’d guess 2 of the other 3 that could afford Lucy were Maryland (since she had a visit set to go there as well) & LSU (duh). Maybe the last was Indiana or TN — I can’t remember all of her offers. The only big schools that didn’t want her were basically UConn, SC, and ND, who all have great NIL.
So if all those schools are ahead of Iowa, it still puts Iowa in the top 10 for NIL. We might even be Top 5."
This is coming from Josh who ran the Women's board and articles on the other site before it was taken over. He is now over on reddit. The other information is from interviews with Brad Heinrichs who runs the SWARM - the Iowa collective of NIL deals. I was told personally the actually compensation to Lucy was 500k even though its been reported as 400k. We paid 300k to Rodriguez and there is actual more information on that and I am sure it will come out in the future in information requests as that money came specifically out of the WBB budget since she is not a US Citizen. She is ineligible for NIL Deals per say. Josh had stated the compensation for Deal was in the 1 million range in the recruiting thread on the other site.
Emely and Addie are looking at massive cuts in pay.
Don't forget better defender too.
That's because she's just a much better athlete. Her quickness is orders of magnitude better. She even rebounded at a better rate than Deal.
FWIW, I can understand the feeling of relief, in the event that the report is accurate and the Deal's/agent were not bashful about applying pressure behind the scenes. My most talented and intelligent employee left my company about 10 years ago now and I was very concerned to see that talent leave AND at the exact same time, ecstatic that I no longer had to deal with his never ending whining and manipulative tactics. It worked out in my favor over time.
I'll repeat something that I said in an earlier post...I don't see where she was mishandled AT ALL by the Iowa coaches. She was given many opportunities to cement her role and didn't. Yes, there is talent and potential there and I hope she can realize it somewhere. But she got a fair shake here IMO.
Crumbling program??? The season just completed was one of the best seasons in the past 25 years. Yes, the recent FF years stand at the top...but this season is better than the long term average for the Iowa women. Welcome to the NIL bizarro world.
Had the exact same situation in my company many years ago. I agree with everything you said here. Also, now knowing the dollars associated with these 2 players, I think relieving themselves of Emely and Addie is going to be a net plus in every way in the upcoming year. Hopefully they can keep the core intact.