Carl on PSU, "we follow the rules, there's not a lot of that going on right now"

TherealGrip220 said:

Yet another former PSU wrestler accusing Carl and Co. of foul play, This is getting all too familiar. McHenry goes up to Carl in a crowded gym blasting him of wrong doing right to his face, things are getting dicey and word in the street thats not the last of it.

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jimneffer said:

look...i realize i'm going to get an insane repsonse to this, but

zain retherford won a world title in 2023 and kyle snyder won another world title last september

i don't know what you're specifically counting here, but those are the facts

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TherealGrip220 said:

Yet another former PSU wrestler accusing Carl and Co. of foul play, This is getting all too familiar. McHenry goes up to Carl in a crowded gym blasting him of wrong doing right to his face, things are getting dicey and word in the street thats not the last of it.

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TherealGrip220 said:

Yet another former PSU wrestler accusing Carl and Co. of foul play, This is getting all too familiar. McHenry goes up to Carl in a crowded gym blasting him of wrong doing right to his face, things are getting dicey and word in the street thats not the last of it.

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cwobrien11 said:

I won't go so far as to say that the house of cards is going to crumble. It's not. That said, there are definitely cracks starting to show. There is stuff going on behind the curtain that is starting to see the light of day. It's going to have an impact.

Penn State's coaches do a good job teaching...but they are winning like they are because they've built a roster full of top 10 kids. No one else was coming close to them. Until recently. Over the last 3 classes (24, 25, 26), Oklahoma State has signed as many top 10 kids as Penn State has.

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bnicolls said:

The amount of self delusion from the Happy Valley folks is laughable. But hey, if it makes them feel good, partee on.

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Pinne24 said:

Let me guess, Dan Gable? Kind of like the Red Auerbach Celtics. Which coach got caught cheating, Gable or Sanderson? I might be wrong. For a friend (Turd)-do you do Section Eight? SORRY, I MEANT SECTION EIGHT!

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bnicolls said:

Please re state in English

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Pinne24 said:

Wow, you are that dumb. But you are seemingly immoral, so that does seemingly benefit you. Understand that? Have you caught up yet?

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redghost1974 said:

Reading not your strong suit? Carl never beat the Hawks as a coach until he found a billionaire backer. F off and go back to fluffing your boys on your own site.

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IRON HAWK said:

This is all TRUE!!! I will add, I only knew of 4 men up untill that time who SCARED the russians(5 now with DJT)

There was PAUL ANDERSON with his un-GODLY strength!!!

DAN GABLE with is un-WORLDY endurance!!!

GENERAL PATTON with is from another world KNOWLEGE of WAR!!!

and PRESIDENT REAGAN!!!!

They studied/followed/learned from them ALL!!!! I mean how many know they had the KGB following GABLE!!!

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JoeBagobagels said:

And now that's what we call ancient history. It's a different framework now, a different landscape that Sanderson helped create and definitely knows how to navigate.

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Tiltman said:

With that said, I feel like coaches have to be willing to work in the grey area in order to win. Also with what you said about “they still have the championship and barely a slap on the wrist” it leads to the question are Iowa fans OK with having a coach that toes that line of it’s a grey area or I know this is wrong but I’d rather ask for forgiveness if caught.

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Pinne24 said:

Let me guess, Dan Gable? Kind of like the Red Auerbach Celtics. Which coach got caught cheating, Gable or Sanderson? I might be wrong. For a friend (Turd)-do you do Section Eight? SORRY, I MEANT SECTION EIGHT!

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IRON HAWK said:

This is all TRUE!!! I will add, I only knew of 4 men up untill that time who SCARED the russians(5 now with DJT)

There was PAUL ANDERSON with his un-GODLY strength!!!

DAN GABLE with is un-WORLDY endurance!!!

GENERAL PATTON with is from another world KNOWLEGE of WAR!!!

and PRESIDENT REAGAN!!!!

They studied/followed/learned from them ALL!!!! I mean how many know they had the KGB following GABLE!!!

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Pinne24 said:

Let me guess, Dan Gable? Kind of like the Red Auerbach Celtics. Which coach got caught cheating, Gable or Sanderson? I might be wrong. For a friend (Turd)-do you do Section Eight? SORRY, I MEANT SECTION EIGHT!

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Brantt said:

For the record, PSU is not one of the 3 programs that has run (turned) Taylor into the NCAA in the last 6 months.

Iowa however is. Brands indirectly touched on this post-NCAA's but nobody picked up on it.

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Pinne24 said:

Wow, you are that dumb. But you are seemingly immoral, so that does seemingly benefit you. Understand that? Have you caught up yet?

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InTheCircle said:

Nobody is privy to what NLWC tax returns look like over the last 15 years. It’s not a matter of public knowledge
This is one way they have been able to stay clean.

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InTheCircle said:

Nobody is privy to what NLWC tax returns look like over the last 15 years. It’s not a matter of public knowledge
This is one way they have been able to stay clean.

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• 501(c)(3) Status Requirement: All RTCs must secure 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status within the current USA Wrestling membership year. Failure to comply can result in non-renewal of the RTC charter.
• Roster/Schedule Reporting: RTCs must submit coach, staff, and athlete rosters, along with training and competition schedules, to be approved annually by USA Wrestling.
• Annual Reporting: RTCs must submit to USA Wrestling the necessary documentation showing they are operating in compliance with 501(c)(3) requirements.
• Public Filing: As 501(c)(3) non-profit entities, RTCs are required to file Form 990 with the IRS, which is a public document outlining their financial activities.
  

PennState1985 said:

Key Tax and Compliance Requirements for RTCs (USA Wrestling):

• 501(c)(3) Status Requirement: All RTCs must secure 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status within the current USA Wrestling membership year. Failure to comply can result in non-renewal of the RTC charter.
• Roster/Schedule Reporting: RTCs must submit coach, staff, and athlete rosters, along with training and competition schedules, to be approved annually by USA Wrestling.
• Annual Reporting: RTCs must submit to USA Wrestling the necessary documentation showing they are operating in compliance with 501(c)(3) requirements.
• Public Filing: As 501(c)(3) non-profit entities, RTCs are required to file Form 990 with the IRS, which is a public document outlining their financial activities.

While they do not file their financial tax returns directly to USA Wrestling as a tax-paying entity, they must prove their compliance with tax laws and regulations to USA Wrestling to retain their recognition.

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IRON HAWK said:

YES!!! TY!!! I have been SCREAMING this^^^from the roof tops for years!!! Look, if krailure came in and WON like GABLE, I would tip my hat TWOOOO him!!!! When he went 159 and 0 for example. I told everyone that he just did the impossible! I mean going undefeated is one thing, but 40 matches a year average and doing it, REMARKABLE!!!

As you pointed out, he was at iowa st and did OK, BUTTs- when he went to F*** st and not only had "unlimited" $$$$$$, he had the ability to use it with NO oversight!!! I use to talk about the recruiting advantage using JUST 125!!! If anyone wants to do it again, go back to Soriano and check ALL the kids they have BOUGHT in including transfers!!!! It is ASTONISHING!!!!

I have NO idea what they are paying these kids but when you have say the coaches son, Cunningham WASTING his years along with others!??! I mean do they have a special DOUNCE wing in LowLyingSwampValley?????

Also name ONE skool that constantly recruits OVER TOP p4p kids!!!! They did it AGAIN this year at 184 bringing in walsh, they did it with ButterDean, they did it with Kerkin at heavy, and how about the JAPanese kid now coming in to apparently take some ones spot?????

It just does not happen and I defy ANYONE from showing me ANY team that has done this!!!! I mean it is REAL hard for any other team just to get the level of recruits on board who krailure is chucking to the curbside!!!!

AS for the PEDs, I will admit I can not run drug tests on their team so I can not prove it!!! BUTT- I have been correct EVERY time and would bet the farm that MANY on their team are taking sheet and my guess is MOST who are, are getting it prescribed!!!

IF you all do NOT notice the DUMBFOUNDED look in MANY of their wrestles faces and eyes, plus the "odd" behaviors and speech patterns, well PLEASE send contact info, I have some PRIME LowLyingSwampValley land to sell you cheap!!!!

As far as OakTree st, DT has the $$$$ and I am guessing he has the ability to use it??? I guess rooting for him to close the gap makes some sense BUTTs- NOT really!!! It MAY solve the problem of F*** st running away with titles, only thing is. It escalates the BIDDING war and further pushes POS ncaa wrestling to the brink of NO RETURN!!!

WRETSLING is NOT football or POS basketball!!! The "unlimited" $$$$$ is NOT going to be there for MOST skools!!!! AGAIN looking at this years Tournament, there was some GOOD stuff!!! KEEP pointing to STANFORD as the prime example. Team that was close to OUT!!! LOOK though, coach has LEFT THE BUILDING!!!!!

Lets see what happens in the portal!!!! IF you are the AD there, just itching to DROP the HAMMER!!!! Well, what things do you point to as reasons to support Wrestling? The skools in my area are NON-existent!!!! Couldn't draw flies if the had a PILE of SHEEEttttt higher then the CRAP coming outa krailures HGH head!!!!

It is a shame, and BEYOND the cheating is this fact^^^^^ what they are doing is HURTING USA wrestling!!!!MARK my words!!! IF we stay on this path, our numbers competing tumble down and HIGH LEVEL opportunities CASH!!!

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rossel 3 said:

I think Gable is the greatest coach in wrestling history. Cael came nowhere near that level in his 6 years at ISU, with zero team titles (3 as assistant, 3 as head coach). It wasn't until he went to PSU that he rose to the top. A big part of that rise was money.

The NLWC got humongous amounts of money after Cael's arrival. In 2014, they got a contribution of $5.7 million. The HWC had $700 thousand by comparison. PSU's total far exceeded the total assets of the next 10 clubs combined. FLO had some deep reporting of this stuff in the past.

Beyond that fact, accounting is a little murky, but some sources have said that by hiring their own collegiate wrestlers to work as camp counselors and/or promised a job at the NLWC following graduation, they could get around the 9.9 scholarship limit that schools were supposed to abide by. It was not a level playing field.

So what followed was a decade run of getting the bluest of the blue chip recruits out of high school. In 2016, PSU landed the #1, #2, and #5 ranked p4p recruits for example. PSU was typically getting guys who were #1 in their weight class and top 10 p4p virtually every year. Many were best in the world at their age weight class. No other school came close to that. Iowa got Spencer Lee and he (almost single handedly) brought Iowa back into the team title race. PSU was getting a Spencer Lee type recruit almost every year - top 5 p4p, World (age group) medalists in FS.

And of course success breeds success. HS kids see the results at PSU and want to go there. Can't deny that.

The use of performance enhancing drugs is something I don't want to say is part of the "magic." But I'm skeptical the NCAA is on top of things regarding testing. I am amazed at the strength and endless endurance that PSU guys seem to have at the end of every match.

Dan Gable went to U of Iowa, who was previously a non factor in team title races, and the results came almost instantly. It was by his training and motivational skills, that Iowa soared. He ended up getting some great recruits as time went on, but most of his success didn't depend on grabbing the lion's share of elite HS talent.

This year's NCAA was at times exciting, but I kind of lost some of the enthusiasm for a simple reason. The team title was a foregone conclusion, and it was all about who would get 2nd, and would Iowa make the top 5. PSU entered the NCAA tournament with 7 number one seeds. Unheard of.

Never thought I would say this, but ....here's wishing success to Oklahoma State and David Taylor.

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MSU158 said:

Was run supposed to be turned? Amazing how one word can make such a difference conveying your stance....Anyway, I FIFY! You are welcome!

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InTheCircle said:

Nobody is privy to what NLWC tax returns look like over the last 15 years. It’s not a matter of public knowledge
This is one way they have been able to stay clean.

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Misalorales said:

I've done this before over here but you're wildly overstating the amount of #1s they bring in and are overlooking the real reason they've been so damn good. They are better than anyone at picking THE guy in the top 15 who will be a true stud in college. They miss like everyone but not nearly as much.

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bnicolls said:

The amount of self delusion from the Happy Valley folks is laughable. But hey, if it makes them feel good, partee on.

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Sabula said:

Paul Jenn says... hello!

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Trapper85 said:

I won't disagree, but it's really a minor distinction. It's alot easier to pick the 'right top guy' when you often get your choice of the top 10. Whether he would be better than others at picking the right guy in the 30-50 range that becomes a true stud...well, there may never be a big enough PSU sample size for us to assess.

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mcpat said:

Among Penn State, Oklahoma State and Iowa, which is the only wrestling program to have never been sanctioned by the NCAA for rules violations?

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Misalorales said:

I am curious about how programs perform with lower ranked recruits. Think I'll dig into it. I do agree that it's easier for cael to cherry pick guys but that's sorta a big part of coaching college sports as well. Being a good coach encompasses being a great recruiter

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cwobrien11 said:

What are you wanting to dig in to specifically? I've got all of the recruiting and AA data for the last 10 years. If there's something specific you want to see or a subset you want to look at, it won't take me long to pull it for you. Just let me know.

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Misalorales said:

Nice! Just curious to see maybe recruits ranked 25th or lower( higher in number, however you Wana word that lol) and how many times they've AAd and see which programs get the most bang for their buck based on big board rankings. I can think of a good bit from Iowa and PSU who turned out well but I imagine there are some smaller schools that really perform well with that.

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mcpat said:

Among Penn State, Oklahoma State and Iowa, which is the only wrestling program to have never been sanctioned by the NCAA for rules violations.

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cwobrien11 said:

So you're looking for recruits ranked 25+, number of times they AA, and the schools that have had the most guys in that criteria hit the podium? Is that right? Do you want to set a top limit (i.e. 25-50, 25-75, or just all guys 25-100)?

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cwobrien11 said:

So you're looking for recruits ranked 25+, number of times they AA, and the schools that have had the most guys in that criteria hit the podium? Is that right? Do you want to set a top limit (i.e. 25-50, 25-75, or just all guys 25-100)?

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InTheCircle said:

I wouldn’t mind seeing all three. Is it possible to run wrestlers who have qualified for Nationals but did not place, then transferred and earned AA status?

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