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letsgocu

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80% of the left have no idea about what’s going on. It’s honestly baffling to see them go through life hanging onto whatever belief makes them feel good.

Alls good with transgenders until your son is now your daughter. Alls good with immigration, until we send them to live in dpics neighborhood. All
Is good with releasing violent offenders, until they’re your neighbor. All is good with killing babies an until….well until nothing bc that’s just their morals and values.
 

tigres88

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80% of the left have no idea about what’s going on. It’s honestly baffling to see them go through life hanging onto whatever belief makes them feel good.

Alls good with transgenders until your son is now your daughter. Alls good with immigration, until we send them to live in dpics neighborhood. All
Is good with releasing violent offenders, until they’re your neighbor. All is good with killing babies an until….well until nothing bc that’s just their morals and values.
Let's break this down!

"80% of the left have no idea about what’s going on. It’s honestly baffling to see them go through life hanging onto whatever belief makes them feel good."

- Completely false- MAGA makes up less than 30% of the U.S. population- independents and the left make up the rest, so categorically this is a false statement.

Further, while you live under the false presupposition that anyone outside of your worldview reads and thinks things that "make them feel good." This is simply false- there is leftist propaganda, and there is Libertarian propaganda. Absolutely. But there has NEVER been a movement of propaganda in the states that has warped people's minds like the Conservative/alt right/Maga movement. I grew up in it. I know it deeply- You live in lala land.

"Alls good with transgenders until your son is now your daughter."

- Complete and utter projection. Having a son or daughter experience Gender Dysphoria would be incredibly difficult, and yet, only the worst of the worst would not try and understand or be "OK" with them going through it and do everything they can to help them- even if it means transitioning to a different gender identity at an appropriate age.

"Alls good with immigration, until we send them to live in dpics neighborhood."

- Umm the entire nation, and definitely the Southeast 'deals' with immigration in our neighborhoods all the time, and on a daily basis. Most normal people welcome our immigrant brothers and sisters with open arms, their culture, their food, and their way of life; why would we not? This is a nonsensical statement. Immigration is a net positive on American society and always has been.

"Is good with releasing violent offenders, until they’re your neighbor"

- NO ONE is OK with violent criminals released at large, and especially not as neighbors. Depending on your level of empathy, you might have more or less capacity to understand how and why violent criminals might be returned to society, or the corrupt measures therein to rehabilitate their different levels of violent crime, but regardless, this is nonsensical and no one on the left is ok with it.

"All is good with killing babies an until….well until nothing bc that’s just their morals and values."

- I know you're talking about abortion, which the removal of an unwanted fetus from a Woman's body has essentially NEVER been understood as a 'baby' until Puritanical culture took over the States: In the history of the world at large, abortion was historically a benign, private practice. It was first criminalized in the US for professional and xenophobic reasons by doctors, and only much later politicized by religious conservatives to build a voting coalition.- but regardless, literally no ONE thinks killing living, breathing, newborn 'babies" is moral.

You're a propagandized sad person and may God have mercy on your soul.

Hope this helps!
 

letsgocu

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Let's break this down!

"80% of the left have no idea about what’s going on. It’s honestly baffling to see them go through life hanging onto whatever belief makes them feel good."

- Completely false- MAGA makes up less than 30% of the U.S. population- independents and the left make up the rest, so categorically this is a false statement.

Further, while you live under the false presupposition that anyone outside of your worldview reads and thinks things that "make them feel good." This is simply false- there is leftist propaganda, and there is Libertarian propaganda. Absolutely. But there has NEVER been a movement of propaganda in the states that has warped people's minds like the Conservative/alt right/Maga movement. I grew up in it. I know it deeply- You live in lala land.

"Alls good with transgenders until your son is now your daughter."

- Complete and utter projection. Having a son or daughter experience Gender Dysphoria would be incredibly difficult, and yet, only the worst of the worst would not try and understand or be "OK" with them going through it and do everything they can to help them- even if it means transitioning to a different gender identity at an appropriate age.

"Alls good with immigration, until we send them to live in dpics neighborhood."

- Umm the entire nation, and definitely the Southeast 'deals' with immigration in our neighborhoods all the time, and on a daily basis. Most normal people welcome our immigrant brothers and sisters with open arms, their culture, their food, and their way of life; why would we not? This is a nonsensical statement. Immigration is a net positive on American society and always has been.

"Is good with releasing violent offenders, until they’re your neighbor"

- NO ONE is OK with violent criminals released at large, and especially not as neighbors. Depending on your level of empathy, you might have more or less capacity to understand how and why violent criminals might be returned to society, or the corrupt measures therein to rehabilitate their different levels of violent crime, but regardless, this is nonsensical and no one on the left is ok with it.

"All is good with killing babies an until….well until nothing bc that’s just their morals and values."

- I know you're talking about abortion, which the removal of an unwanted fetus from a Woman's body has essentially NEVER been understood as a 'baby' until Puritanical culture took over the States: In the history of the world at large, abortion was historically a benign, private practice. It was first criminalized in the US for professional and xenophobic reasons by doctors, and only much later politicized by religious conservatives to build a voting coalition.- but regardless, literally no ONE thinks killing living, breathing, newborn 'babies" is moral.

You're a propagandized sad person and may God have mercy on your soul.

Hope this helps!
You can’t read. I said 80% OF THE LEFT.

Not worth responding to the rest. Clearly your
Mind is made up around what lense you choose to view those topics and the moral framework you choose to live your life on.
 
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dpic73

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Congratulations. You all changed……nothing. He’s still your president.
Cool, just consider it a shot across the bow. Since you and the rest of the loyal maga servants refuse to do anything to hold that corrupt traitor accountable, it's a way of saying the people will do it for the country ourselves if we have to.
 

letsgocu

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Cool, just consider it a shot across the bow. Since you and the rest of the loyal maga servants refuse to do anything to hold that corrupt traitor accountable, it's a way of saying the people will do it for the country ourselves if we have to.
Seems like we’re all in the same boat as you all failed to hold Biden accountable. Pot calling kettle black.

let me tell you how I approach these things. I don’t vote for the “person” per sea. I vote for issues that closely align with my value system which is influenced my faith.

No democratic or republican president was, is, or will be perfect. Ultimately they will all be held accountable by their creator, as will you and I.

No party aligns 100% with my beliefs. But, the Democratic Party is clearly going in a direction away from what I believe to be Truth and taking us further away from our creator.

You don’t have to like that. You can make fun or chastise my faith all you want. You can call it a load of crap or Santa clause or whatever - I really don’t care. But one day, one of us will be proven right, but for me to celebrate that would be cruel.
 

firegiver

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Seems like we’re all in the same boat as you all failed to hold Biden accountable. Pot calling kettle black.

let me tell you how I approach these things. I don’t vote for the “person” per sea. I vote for issues that closely align with my value system which is influenced my faith.

No democratic or republican president was, is, or will be perfect. Ultimately they will all be held accountable by their creator, as will you and I.

No party aligns 100% with my beliefs. But, the Democratic Party is clearly going in a direction away from what I believe to be Truth and taking us further away from our creator.

You don’t have to like that. You can make fun or chastise my faith all you want. You can call it a load of crap or Santa clause or whatever - I really don’t care. But one day, one of us will be proven right, but for me to celebrate that would be cruel.
Biden didn't mobilize a military force on his own citizens
Biden didn't create inflation by throwing tarrifs around as a strongman negotiation tactic
Biden didn't start a war with Iran and throw us into the biggest trap in the middle east because ANOTHER COUNTRY TOLD HIM TO DO IT

I could go on....
Everyone would be upset with whoever the president was that did these things. The only reason he gets a pass from MAGA is that they don't seem capable of the abstract reasoning required to criticize someone doing a bad job and doing bad things.
 

baltimorened

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Biden didn't mobilize a military force on his own citizens
Biden didn't create inflation by throwing tarrifs around as a strongman negotiation tactic
Biden didn't start a war with Iran and throw us into the biggest trap in the middle east because ANOTHER COUNTRY TOLD HIM TO DO IT

I could go on....
Everyone would be upset with whoever the president was that did these things. The only reason he gets a pass from MAGA is that they don't seem capable of the abstract reasoning required to criticize someone doing a bad job and doing bad things.
does it ever get old comparing what one president did or didn't do with another?

You know what the response is going to be , or by now you should have a pretty good idea.
 

firegiver

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does it ever get old comparing what one president did or didn't do with another?

You know what the response is going to be , or by now you should have a pretty good idea.
Its a dumb tactic to just say but but but Biden... but but but her emails.... but but but

We are on a knifes edge right now. Take a look around. This administration has earned a TON of criticism.
 
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does it ever get old comparing what one president did or didn't do with another?

You know what the response is going to be , or by now you should have a pretty good idea.
Yes extremely old. But once again, MAGA is the only group that CONSTANTLY talks about Biden/Obama. We don't compare Trump to Biden, we just think the Trump admin is truly awful and has run the country into the ground in just about every metric.
 
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dpic73

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Seems like we’re all in the same boat as you all failed to hold Biden accountable. Pot calling kettle black.

let me tell you how I approach these things. I don’t vote for the “person” per sea. I vote for issues that closely align with my value system which is influenced my faith.

No democratic or republican president was, is, or will be perfect. Ultimately they will all be held accountable by their creator, as will you and I.

No party aligns 100% with my beliefs. But, the Democratic Party is clearly going in a direction away from what I believe to be Truth and taking us further away from our creator.

You don’t have to like that. You can make fun or chastise my faith all you want. You can call it a load of crap or Santa clause or whatever - I really don’t care. But one day, one of us will be proven right, but for me to celebrate that would be cruel.
How can you say we didn't hold Biden accountable when we forced him to step down when he no longer seemed fit?

You and maga overwhelmingly went for Trump in even bigger numbers after knowing about January 6th, which proved him to be wholly unfit.

These things are not the same and for the record, whether you like it or not, Jan 6th will always be seen as the dividing line between maga and everyone else. If that wasn't enough to keep you from voting for him, nothing ever will and the rest of America will never understand you.
 

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Its a dumb tactic to just say but but but Biden... but but but her emails.... but but but

We are on a knifes edge right now. Take a look around. This administration has earned a TON of criticism.
yes you're right, things are not good right now. But politics and reactions are a continuum not just one point in time. There's a reason why the party in power normally losses seats in off year elections. This cycle likely won't be any different...and the normal result didn't start with trump. He just happens to be president right now and will suffer the normal consequence of an off year elections.

I do think he is feeling a little bit of pressure on Iran right now...reason?...just last Friday he gave Iranian leadership10 days to come to a deal...Dow dropped another 793 points, today he tells same leadership, he wants deal "immediately". Now I'm a "semantics" type person, and in my world immediately is significantly different than 10 days.

Trump knows that he has fewer and fewer days to get things turned around before people start making up their minds about 2026 candidates. He's already turned around ICE from their Minneapolis debacle, he's got a lot more to do on the economy and I'm not sure he'll get there. But he's got so much in the air right now that it's difficult if not impossible for him to create a "calm" that voters like to see. House republicans are in trouble right now, and they know it.
 

letsgocu

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How can you say we didn't hold Biden accountable when we forced him to step down when he no longer seemed fit?

You and maga overwhelmingly went for Trump in even bigger numbers after knowing about January 6th, which proved him to be wholly unfit.

These things are not the same and for the record, whether you like it or not, Jan 6th will always be seen as the dividing line between maga and everyone else. If that wasn't enough to keep you from voting for him, nothing ever will and the rest of America will never understand you.

Biden was president his whole tenure - you did not make him step down. Biden did not Run again because the Democratic Party realized that they could not beat trump with him. Then they didn’t even hold a true vote but just stuck Kamala in there. Where’s the accountability?

What about the accountability with the cocaine found in the White House - we know who it belonged to?

what about all the collusion with Ukraine and his son?

Or that he would not get in front of the media to save his life. Absent. Unaccountable.

Or the pardon of his son after he clearly said he wasn’t going to do that.

Or classified information unlocked in drawers at his home.

Pot calling kettle black.
 
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letsgocu

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Biden didn't mobilize a military force on his own citizens
Biden didn't create inflation by throwing tarrifs around as a strongman negotiation tactic
Biden didn't start a war with Iran and throw us into the biggest trap in the middle east because ANOTHER COUNTRY TOLD HIM TO DO IT

I could go on....
Everyone would be upset with whoever the president was that did these things. The only reason he gets a pass from MAGA is that they don't seem capable of the abstract reasoning required to criticize someone doing a bad job and doing bad things.
Biden had the highest inflation.

Biden went after the police.

Biden allowed our cities to be torn apart and ravaged

Biden swung the border gates wide *** open.

Biden allowed Iran the opportunity to build.

Biden botched a chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan

allowed the Ukraine/Russian war


Just to name a few.
 

firegiver

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while we are
Biden had the highest inflation.

Biden went after the police.

Biden allowed our cities to be torn apart and ravaged

Biden swung the border gates wide *** open.

Biden allowed Iran the opportunity to build.

Biden botched a chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan

allowed the Ukraine/Russian war


Just to name a few.
Trump is doing wild *** bs. That you cannot excuse so you bring up Biden to complain about. Move on stop being an obsessive person and deal with the now.
This is not an indentation to debate Biden more. Literally move on and focus on the present. Otherwise you aren't being an intelligent citizen.
You are MAnufactoring GrievAnces. You need to sit with the reality of now because your bias is preventing you from doing so. Get better.

We might be sending soldiers into Iran. Think on that.
 

dpic73

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Biden was president his whole tenure - you did not make him step down. Biden did not Run again because the Democratic Party realized that they could not beat trump with him. Then they didn’t even hold a true vote but just stuck Kamala in there. Where’s the accountability?
What better way do citizens have to hold him accountable than forcing him to step down(i.e.) not voting for him? Polls showed that Dem disapproval was partly responsible for his low polling numbers and they did not want him to run again like he originally promised.
What about the accountability with the cocaine found in the White House - we know who it belonged to?
You mean the dime bag found in a cubby in the VISITORS entrance? LOL, so dumb. How would I hold Biden accountable for what a tourist left in a cubby? This makes no sense
what about all the collusion with Ukraine and his son?
You're making this up and there was nothing illegal about Hunter taking a job there, even though his last name absolutely helped. There was nothing to hold him accountable for.
Or that he would not get in front of the media to save his life. Absent. Unaccountable.
I also hated this but how would I hold him accountable??
Or the pardon of his son after he clearly said he wasn’t going to do that.
He had already tragically lost two children so he wasn't going to take a chance with Trump's sinister revenge agenda after he had already signaled would be used to go after Hunter.
Or classified information unlocked in drawers at his home.
He could have been held accountable and I would have had no problem with it but the Republican Special Counsel chose not to press charges. A reminder that unlike Trump, Biden was fully cooperative.
Pot calling kettle black.
This makes no sense because the only way I would have to hold him accountable would be to not vote for him.

You knew Trump was 1000X worse and you voted for him anyway.

So I'm no pot but you're definitely the kettle.
 
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letsgocu

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while we are

Trump is doing wild *** bs. That you cannot excuse so you bring up Biden to complain about. Move on stop being an obsessive person and deal with the now.
This is not an indentation to debate Biden more. Literally move on and focus on the present. Otherwise you aren't being an intelligent citizen.
You are MAnufactoring GrievAnces. You need to sit with the reality of now because your bias is preventing you from doing so. Get better.

We might be sending soldiers into Iran. Think on that.
I don’t bring up Biden to excuse anything Trump does.

I bring up Biden to show how stupid you and others are. You don’t have a moral standard. If wrong is wrong, then you idiots should have raised a fuss with Biden.
 
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letsgocu

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What better way do citizens have to hold him accountable than forcing him to step down(i.e.) not voting for him? Polls showed that Dem disapproval was partly responsible for his low polling numbers and they did not want him to run again like he originally promised.

You mean the dime bag found in a cubby in the VISITORS entrance? LOL, so dumb. How would I hold Biden accountable for what a tourist left in a cubby? This makes no sense

You're making this up and there was nothing illegal about Hunter taking a job there, even though his last name absolutely helped. There was nothing to hold him accountable for.

I also hated this but how would I hold him accountable??

He had already tragically lost two children so he wasn't going to take a chance with Trump's sinister revenge agenda after he had already signaled would be used to go after Hunter.

He could have been held accountable and I would have had no problem with it but the Republican Special Counsel chose not to press charges. A reminder that unlike Trump, Biden was fully cooperative.

This makes no sense because the only way I would have to hold him accountable would be to not vote for him.

You knew Trump was 1000X worse and you voted for him anyway.

So I'm no pot but you're definitely the kettle.

Even in these responses, there’s admission to a lack of accountability. And your responses are a bunch of excuses. Just because you have a why doesn’t excuse it.
 
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dpic73

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Even in these responses, there’s admission to a lack of accountability. And your responses are a bunch of excuses. Just because you have a why doesn’t excuse it.
You're detached from reality if you think these two men are the same, holy hell, talking about a reach.

Remember the Big Lie that he's still telling today? That alone should have been the end of him. He and he alone has destroyed the country's faith in our electoral system, not because there was any mass fraud but because he refuses to accept that he lost. Then the invitation to the Capitol where people died and $30MIL dollars worth of damage was done, including **** smeared on the walls while he watched it all unfold on tv. Never even apologized and in fact told them he loved them and they were very special. Then promised to pardon them if you re-elected him. And you did......

I'm not kidding when I say I don't know how you live with yourself. There were plenty of other choices in the primary but he was so confident that you would re-elect him anyway that he skipped all the debates. He was right, nothing gets between him and his loyal, subservient maga army and it's shameful. Even more shameful that you still serve as his ardent and loyal doormat today, as he crudely throws the world into an economic tailspin due to his tariffs and war of choice.

But Biden.....LOL
 

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I don’t bring up Biden to excuse anything Trump does.

I bring up Biden to show how stupid you and others are. You don’t have a moral standard. If wrong is wrong, then you idiots should have raised a fuss with Biden.
That is not how an informed citizen behaves. It does absolutely nothing to help our country , or yourself, to point out some kind of made up hypocrisy you just fantasized for yourself. You don't know anything about my feelings about Biden or whatever. You are using this as an EXCUSE to not have to explain the absolute turd blossom happening right now. You are literally scared, and creating some fake moral justification to avoid dealing with what you have helped to bring to America. A ******* dictator.

Oh yeah the other day Trump signed an EO to end birth right citizenship. Thats totally unconstitutional.
Anyway, I'm not going to fall for your false equivalencies and poor judgement about ME. I didn't vote for Trump.
Deal with it, I'm not your punching bag, I'm not your excuse. People used to have actual character in this country and stood up for what they believe in.

Im criticizing our presdient for valid reasons. Those reasons don't disappear just because you bring up Biden. Im not a hypocrite, you're just failing to understand and deal with my points.
 
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