This is a False statement, very false.
Carl on PSU, "we follow the rules, there's not a lot of that going on right now"
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And this is why we need some moderation. Nits will always spin, but we shouldn't have endure limitless chest pounding on OUR board.
The amount of self delusion from the Happy Valley folks is laughable. But hey, if it makes them feel good, partee on.
And his son is a freshman in High school. Sanderson will probably coach 8-10 more years. I'm betting he wins a fair amount of titles in these upcoming years.
Well when you win 13/15 tournaments and set three consecutive scoring records some people will start to make that claim. Wait until it's 6 in a row , 14/16 and another scoring record and see what people say.
Carl wasn't following the rules at ISU before not following the rules was so big. I think he wrote the book on the subject and is mad Taylor has a copy.
Yet another reason Taylor probably wouldn’t have been interested in coming here. We follow the rules, even if it means losing program changing recruits. The first thing he learned from Carl is that is unacceptable.
It is embarrassing that you guys cheat and only finish 4th, after having a great tournament.
Cael, having never lost in college always beat whatever Hawkeye lined up across from him. And my goodness, now he has reduced Iowa to celebrating a well wrestled 4th place finish.
How can one recognize a Hawkeye wrestling fan, I mean other than the wild celebration of a 4th place team trophy? Their heads explode with the colors blue and white spewing out.
History lesson: look up Paul Jenn, hawkeye
Paul Jenn says... hello!
DT. And I won’t count the rapist he brought in with open arms since even Jackson had the integrity to kick him off his team.
lol….just stay on your board from now on or change your signin name…you should lose all privileges on here. You should be so embarrassed of your lack of knowledge. Mark Twain had a great quote you should look up regarding being a fool.
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Please tell us how, master
Most PSU fans still think Sandusky was railroaded and Joe Pa is a Saint.
Reading not your strong suit? Carl never beat the Hawks as a coach until he found a billionaire backer. F off and go back to fluffing your boys on your own site.
This gets so old. Why don't you just go brag it up and ridicule other teams on your own board. Guarantee you would get better response with this post on the nits board.
I think Gable is the greatest coach in wrestling history. Cael came nowhere near that level in his 6 years at ISU, with zero team titles (3 as assistant, 3 as head coach). It wasn't until he went to PSU that he rose to the top. A big part of that rise was money.
The NLWC got humongous amounts of money after Cael's arrival. In 2014, they got a contribution of $5.7 million. The HWC had $700 thousand by comparison. PSU's total far exceeded the total assets of the next 10 clubs combined. FLO had some deep reporting of this stuff in the past.
Beyond that fact, accounting is a little murky, but some sources have said that by hiring their own collegiate wrestlers to work as camp counselors and/or promised a job at the NLWC following graduation, they could get around the 9.9 scholarship limit that schools were supposed to abide by. It was not a level playing field.
So what followed was a decade run of getting the bluest of the blue chip recruits out of high school. In 2016, PSU landed the #1, #2, and #5 ranked p4p recruits for example. PSU was typically getting guys who were #1 in their weight class and top 10 p4p virtually every year. Many were best in the world at their age weight class. No other school came close to that. Iowa got Spencer Lee and he (almost single handedly) brought Iowa back into the team title race. PSU was getting a Spencer Lee type recruit almost every year - top 5 p4p, World (age group) medalists in FS.
And of course success breeds success. HS kids see the results at PSU and want to go there. Can't deny that.
The use of performance enhancing drugs is something I don't want to say is part of the "magic." But I'm skeptical the NCAA is on top of things regarding testing. I am amazed at the strength and endless endurance that PSU guys seem to have at the end of every match.
Dan Gable went to U of Iowa, who was previously a non factor in team title races, and the results came almost instantly. It was by his training and motivational skills, that Iowa soared. He ended up getting some great recruits as time went on, but most of his success didn't depend on grabbing the lion's share of elite HS talent.
This year's NCAA was at times exciting, but I kind of lost some of the enthusiasm for a simple reason. The team title was a foregone conclusion, and it was all about who would get 2nd, and would Iowa make the top 5. PSU entered the NCAA tournament with 7 number one seeds. Unheard of.
Never thought I would say this, but ....here's wishing success to Oklahoma State and David Taylor.
“Never thought I would say this, but ....here's wishing success to Oklahoma State and David Taylor.”
Alleluia.
Clearly, the dilution of talent/depth in Happy Valley can do nothing but help lessen the gap for the programs playing catch up…
Alleluia.
Clearly, the dilution of talent/depth in Happy Valley can do nothing but help lessen the gap for the programs playing catch up…
Comparing 1975 to 2010 is silly. Of course there's more money in a sport now than there was a 1975 but Dan Gable in the Iowa Hawkeyes had an advantage that couldn't be beat back then. Gable was an Olympic gold medalist at the height of the Cold War.
The kind of hype and prestige that brought to the program of Iowa is something you couldn't approach now even with a ton of cash. If you weren't alive back then to watch the Olympics you just cannot understand a difference between Olympics, Stan and Olympics now. Gable had a life magazine profile for not mistaken again if you don't know how big of a deal that was, you're just not gonna understand how big he was at that time.
In more recent years the Olympics aren't as big of a deal now as then. Before we had streaming services we cable TV that maybe would allow you to watch 10 to 12 channels. We actually had to use an antenna up until 1978. The Olympics were on ABC back in and everyone watched them. The publicity was huge back then.
Now it's streaming services everything is targeted to specific audiences, which is great for us that want more variety but you're not gonna see the overall numbers that you saw back then. If you had NBC, CBS, and a PBS station in the Olympics were on you were probably watching the Olympics.
You didn't need to level of money you need now back then, especially if you had an Olympic gold medal as to just beat the Russians.
YES!!! TY!!! I have been SCREAMING this^^^from the roof tops for years!!! Look, if krailure came in and WON like GABLE, I would tip my hat TWOOOO him!!!! When he went 159 and 0 for example. I told everyone that he just did the impossible! I mean going undefeated is one thing, but 40 matches a year average and doing it, REMARKABLE!!!
As you pointed out, he was at iowa st and did OK, BUTTs- when he went to F*** st and not only had "unlimited" $$$$$$, he had the ability to use it with NO oversight!!! I use to talk about the recruiting advantage using JUST 125!!! If anyone wants to do it again, go back to Soriano and check ALL the kids they have BOUGHT in including transfers!!!! It is ASTONISHING!!!!
I have NO idea what they are paying these kids but when you have say the coaches son, Cunningham WASTING his years along with others!??! I mean do they have a special DOUNCE wing in LowLyingSwampValley?????
Also name ONE skool that constantly recruits OVER TOP p4p kids!!!! They did it AGAIN this year at 184 bringing in walsh, they did it with ButterDean, they did it with Kerkin at heavy, and how about the JAPanese kid now coming in to apparently take some ones spot?????
It just does not happen and I defy ANYONE from showing me ANY team that has done this!!!! I mean it is REAL hard for any other team just to get the level of recruits on board who krailure is chucking to the curbside!!!!
AS for the PEDs, I will admit I can not run drug tests on their team so I can not prove it!!! BUTT- I have been correct EVERY time and would bet the farm that MANY on their team are taking sheet and my guess is MOST who are, are getting it prescribed!!!
IF you all do NOT notice the DUMBFOUNDED look in MANY of their wrestles faces and eyes, plus the "odd" behaviors and speech patterns, well PLEASE send contact info, I have some PRIME LowLyingSwampValley land to sell you cheap!!!!
As far as OakTree st, DT has the $$$$ and I am guessing he has the ability to use it??? I guess rooting for him to close the gap makes some sense BUTTs- NOT really!!! It MAY solve the problem of F*** st running away with titles, only thing is. It escalates the BIDDING war and further pushes POS ncaa wrestling to the brink of NO RETURN!!!
WRETSLING is NOT football or POS basketball!!! The "unlimited" $$$$$ is NOT going to be there for MOST skools!!!! AGAIN looking at this years Tournament, there was some GOOD stuff!!! KEEP pointing to STANFORD as the prime example. Team that was close to OUT!!! LOOK though, coach has LEFT THE BUILDING!!!!!
Lets see what happens in the portal!!!! IF you are the AD there, just itching to DROP the HAMMER!!!! Well, what things do you point to as reasons to support Wrestling? The skools in my area are NON-existent!!!! Couldn't draw flies if the had a PILE of SHEEEttttt higher then the CRAP coming outa krailures HGH head!!!!
It is a shame, and BEYOND the cheating is this fact^^^^^ what they are doing is HURTING USA wrestling!!!!MARK my words!!! IF we stay on this path, our numbers competing tumble down and HIGH LEVEL opportunities CASH!!!
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Word is McHenry got in Cael's face at the PA all star classic.
This is all TRUE!!! I will add, I only knew of 4 men up untill that time who SCARED the russians(5 now with DJT)
There was PAUL ANDERSON with his un-GODLY strength!!!
DAN GABLE with is un-WORLDY endurance!!!
GENERAL PATTON with is from another world KNOWLEGE of WAR!!!
and PRESIDENT REAGAN!!!!
They studied/followed/learned from them ALL!!!! I mean how many know they had the KGB following GABLE!!!
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No matter how they are doing it, you have to ACCEPT that what PSU is now doing has NEVER been done before. They just broke the scoring record 3 years in a row and will probably have an even better team next year.
I had to watch UofM win a football championship and get CAUGHT cheating. In the end they still have that championship and barely received a weak slap on the wrist. Compared to that, you simply have to accept that PSU wrestling has found a way to be the best at basically every facet and, so far, stay clean.
You can hate them with every part of your being. But, your eyes aren’t lying to you. They absolutely have created the most powerful wrestling machine there has ever been. PSU wrestling and the NLWC have made USA wrestling as a whole competitive with, and even possibly, the best in the world.
Mind you, my fingers caught on fire several times posting this!
I had to watch UofM win a football championship and get CAUGHT cheating. In the end they still have that championship and barely received a weak slap on the wrist. Compared to that, you simply have to accept that PSU wrestling has found a way to be the best at basically every facet and, so far, stay clean.
You can hate them with every part of your being. But, your eyes aren’t lying to you. They absolutely have created the most powerful wrestling machine there has ever been. PSU wrestling and the NLWC have made USA wrestling as a whole competitive with, and even possibly, the best in the world.
Mind you, my fingers caught on fire several times posting this!
By far? I believe there is a coach named Gable that puts your statement in question.
With that said, I feel like coaches have to be willing to work in the grey area in order to win. Also with what you said about “they still have the championship and barely a slap on the wrist” it leads to the question are Iowa fans OK with having a coach that toes that line of it’s a grey area or I know this is wrong but I’d rather ask for forgiveness if caught.
How closely do other programs work with their compliance departments? Are they as restrictive or are certain teams working around them?
MSU my brother, I am with you up in here as much as anyone!!!! HERE though I have to MOSTLY disagree!!!! You line about ACCEPT what they are doing???? THAT my friend IS the problem!!!!
UNDERSTAND, I get the "PUSH the LIMITS" take chance, work in the grey etc...... krailure and crew along with F*** st 100% know what is/has been taking place for a L O N G time PERIOD!!!!
You OK with Babblin winning championships on the ssssHHEEET!!!! How would you feel IF it was you or your kid or a kid YOU coached LOSING to someone taking PEDs?????
Once more, their POS club is NOT making us better!!!! Age level championships are one thing!!! SR. level WORLD and OLYMPIC GOLD is another. krailure the POS has produced exactly ONE!!!! ALL of those GR8 wrestlers and ONE!!!!
PLUS they brought in GILMAN from IOWA, DAKE from cornhole, SNYDER from ohio st and ............. ZERO!!!!!!!!
YOU ALL tell me, with the recent past as well as current wrestlers. WHAT will be an acceptable number of SR level world and OYLIMPIC GOLDS and medals???
I - the GR8one SIRE IRON HAWK set the over under for GOLD at TWOOOOO and I will take the under!!!!
AH my HAWKEYE friends ........ Hmmmm BONDS, ARMSTRONG, russian wrestling......... OR........ IF you chose the HIGH ROAD!??!?! At least be willing to try and STOP those from F**King U!!!!! Otherwise, yea settle for being F**Ked and taking 4th OR getting DIRTY!!!!
I don't make accusations without proof. Maybe they are cheating. However, if they ARE, they are getting away with it rather easily. It's hard to imagine a team winning 13 of the last 16 years and not getting looked at close enough to see what is going on. In football, there is so much money involved I could see teams paying off the right people to get away with it. In wrestling, I just don't see how that happens...
I don’t know the answer to that. I’m just saying that I feel like if we ever want to compete with the top teams we’ll need to be able to play in that grey area and maybe it’s better to go the Michigan football route if all the ncaa is going to do is slap on the wrist. I wasn’t arguing with anything you mentioned.
I wasn't arguing, simply adding context. How the compliance department is involved is the BILLION dollar question. If things that have been said about Iowa are true, they are directly involved in what Iowa does and does NOT do. Are they involved as heavily elsewhere? If so, are they open to things that Iowa is not? Or, are those teams working around them?
What is considered "grey" elsewhere, may be considered full out red at Iowa...
look...i realize i'm going to get an insane repsonse to this, but
zain retherford won a world title in 2023 and kyle snyder won another world title last september
i don't know what you're specifically counting here, but those are the facts
Yet another former PSU wrestler accusing Carl and Co. of foul play, This is getting all too familiar. McHenry goes up to Carl in a crowded gym blasting him of wrong doing right to his face, things are getting dicey and word in the street thats not the last of it.