OT: Anyone else think Rutgers is absurdly expensive?

RUschool · Mar 29, 2026

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Retired711 said:
Public high school is free, and has been for generations. We've decided as a society that it is so important that kids have a high school education that we're willing to subsidize it for everyone. Maybe we'll reach that point fairly soon for two years of post high school education, whether in an academic or trade program, and whether it's at a four-year college or a community college. It's hard to say.

I don't think everyone should feel that they have to go to college. There are lots of important and valuable things to do with one's life that don't require a college education.

There Are 70% of white males that don’t feel the pressure to go to college. Another question is there are over 1.9 million long term unemployed in 2025, why don’t they become the electricians and plumbers that are needed or some think we need? Is there a demand for more? I always have a plumber come over that same day I call and I called an electrician once in 60 years.

RUschool · Mar 29, 2026

There’s also a shortage of auto technician.

Ford CEO Jim Farley is highlighting a critical shortage of roughly 5,000 to 6,000 qualified auto technicians at U.S. dealership, causing significant service delays.
Despite offering high-paying, six-figure salaries ($120,000+)

I think the shortage might be due to the location not wanting to train a new person the skills and they want a person that has the exact skills they are looking for. Ford laid off more than 10,000 employees that might be retained to be auto technicians. I think this is the same with looking for plumbers and electricians for building the data centers. They want certain specific skills set that may require teaching but they don’t want to teach them.

T2Kplus20 · Mar 29, 2026

CollegeSenior said:
Got it. Your free RU tuition was a rounding error. But the kid who has to pay for his via a student loan is the problem.

Yes. The data is irrefutable. Student loans have caused the spike in tuition. Now, you may say the benefits of access is worth the cost consequences but that’s a different topic than my post addressed.

NotInRHouse · Mar 29, 2026

mdk02 said:
What loopholes could you "close a smidge" and fund the whole project? Or are you proposing a Liz Warren wealth tax that would require an annual fair market valuation of the target's, oops taxpayer's, underwear to pay tax on it?

11 BN+ a day in the Middle East before we even consider aid to countries there. With that alone probably don't need a wealth tax.

NotInRHouse · Mar 29, 2026

RUTGERS95 said:
I agree with much of what you say and general direction with one caveat, college should not be free. The benefits to an educated and driven society would not be met as such an idealistic view would demand instead, you'd burgeoning costs, bloat, and unemployed workforce leading to massive societal issues.

l laughed out loud on this. well played

I think if you look in Europe you will see a lot of free college, low bloat/admin costs and societies with good incentives for both white and blue collar paths.

NotInRHouse · Mar 29, 2026

RUskoolie said:
JFC tell me you have no understanding of basic economics without telling me by saying college should be free...

Indoctrination does not = education and clearly you have yet to grasp that.

Education and health should be rights, not economic questions.

College isn't a jobs program.

You can't wonder why then college educated gen z women reject gen z men. They want someone with the education to hold a conversation before we even get to blue versus white collar.

NotInRHouse · Mar 29, 2026

Retired711 said:
Public high school is free, and has been for generations. We've decided as a society that it is so important that kids have a high school education that we're willing to subsidize it for everyone. Maybe we'll reach that point fairly soon for two years of post high school education, whether in an academic or trade program, and whether it's at a four-year college or a community college. It's hard to say.

I don't think everyone should feel that they have to go to college. There are lots of important and valuable things to do with one's life that don't require a college education.

Many states have this they're already and they're varied.

Tennessee I believe was first for free community college. Now New Mexico has free 4 years.

CollegeSenior · Mar 29, 2026

T2Kplus20 said:
Yes. The data is irrefutable. Student loans have caused the spike in tuition. Now, you may say the benefits of access is worth the cost consequences but that’s a different topic than my post addressed.

Irrefutable.

The Bennett Hypothesis has been debunked over and over again.

Did you not learn in your classes at RU how to look things up?

Actually, I kind of know the answer to that. You’re a bigger bullshitter in real life than you are on these boards. We just don’t call you out on it in the moment. We just roll our eyes to each other and laugh about it later.

NotInRHouse · Mar 29, 2026

RUschool said:
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There Are 70% of white males that don’t feel the pressure to go to college. Another question is there are over 1.9 million long term unemployed in 2025, why don’t they become the electricians and plumbers that are needed or some think we need? Is there a demand for more? I always have a plumber come over that same day I call and I called an electrician once in 60 years.

We need nurses and teachers and tons of healthcare workers, but men are told these are "feminine" jobs. I am a millennial and even when I was in law school it was majority female. It has only gotten worse.

Part of it is men are not seeing men in these jobs from when they're younger. I have friends who are nurses and teachers and they make 6 figures. Idk, clearing 100k to work 10 months sounds cool to me, not "feminine" but then again my brain isn't rotted by the manosphere.

RUTGERS95 · Mar 29, 2026

NotInRHouse said:
I think if you look in Europe you will see a lot of free college, low bloat/admin costs and societies with good incentives for both white and blue collar paths.

an entirely different economic model based on budgets considerations that are from sustainable. Europe can't afford the programs they have no and with the US pulling back, that is going to be exacerbated and we're seeing that now. Also, there is far less innovation and capital drive in Europe. They have much higher sustained unemployment and less disposable incomes amongst other things. Funny thing, the Euro gave them a lifeline for a longer period but that is not helping them as much any longer.

I fully appreciate the need for educated societies and in a vacuum, we're aligned but reality all meets idealism like a bat to the head. Imagine how many more useless college degrees flood the market if US state schools were free. We've already an issue with 'underemployment' as it's defined.

RUTGERS95 · Mar 29, 2026

NotInRHouse said:
Many states have this they're already and they're varied.

Tennessee I believe was first for free community college. Now New Mexico has free 4 years.

I do like the community colleges being free and offer great options for many. There are unintended consequences to this as well. Unfortunately, nothing is simple or easy with higher education.

T2Kplus20 · Mar 29, 2026

CollegeSenior said:
Irrefutable.

The Bennett Hypothesis has been debunked over and over again.

Did you not learn in your classes at RU how to look things up?

Actually, I kind of know the answer to that. You’re a bigger bullshitter in real life than you are on these boards. We just don’t call you out on it in the moment. We just roll our eyes to each other and laugh about it later.

Irrefutable - countless studies from academia, even both sides of the political aisle agreed, etc. You can be an emotional baby all you want. Doesn't change simple economic facts and it never will.

T2Kplus20 · Mar 29, 2026

RUTGERS95 said:
Also, there is far less innovation and capital drive in Europe. They have much higher sustained unemployment and less disposable incomes amongst other things. Funny thing, the Euro gave them a lifeline for a longer period but that is not helping them as much any longer.

+1
Europe is never a good example of success, especially regarding economics and innovation. Also, Europe highly restricts access to that "free" education.

RUskoolie · Mar 29, 2026

NotInRHouse said:
Education and health should be rights, not economic questions.

College isn't a jobs program.

You can't wonder why then college educated gen z women reject gen z men. They want someone with the education to hold a conversation before we even get to blue versus white collar.

Gen Z men get rejected because masculinity has been deemphasized and they're surrounded by beta males all over the place. They prioritize video games over sex, can't make eye contact let along have a conversation. A college degree has very little to do with that. Another terrible argument by you ITT.

RUskoolie · Mar 29, 2026

T2Kplus20 said:
+1
Europe is never a good example of success, especially regarding economics and innovation. Also, Europe highly restricts access to that "free" education.

Europe is a bunch of worthless and spineless losers. Maybe a handful of countries there are worth having as allies at this point. So many places the work ethic is absolute zero but we're veering off topic.

NotInRHouse · Mar 30, 2026

RUTGERS95 said:
an entirely different economic model based on budgets considerations that are from sustainable. Europe can't afford the programs they have no and with the US pulling back, that is going to be exacerbated and we're seeing that now. Also, there is far less innovation and capital drive in Europe. They have much higher sustained unemployment and less disposable incomes amongst other things. Funny thing, the Euro gave them a lifeline for a longer period but that is not helping them as much any longer.

I fully appreciate the need for educated societies and in a vacuum, we're aligned but reality all meets idealism like a bat to the head. Imagine how many more useless college degrees flood the market if US state schools were free. We've already an issue with 'underemployment' as it's defined.

If you look at Europe or even New Mexico or TN where they have these programs they don't have a glut of useless degrees, they do have a lot of engineers etc. It's not s surprise that you have Novo Nordisk in Denmark now making a drug that Americans are taking that ballooned their entire economy. The countries with longer term unemployment issues like Greece have a different set of problems. Northern Europe is a different ball of wax.

And even in Southern Europe their destitution is much different, the way ours is playing out with young people you don't see.

NotInRHouse · Mar 30, 2026

RUskoolie said:
Gen Z men get rejected because masculinity has been deemphasized and they're surrounded by beta males all over the place. They prioritize video games over sex, can't make eye contact let along have a conversation. A college degree has very little to do with that. Another terrible argument by you ITT.

Yet the ones following Andrew Tate etc have the most issues. Isn't this the argument you guys tried with millennials, the most divorce free generation now raising healthy children? They just needed to not have a recession every few years but you had to start up one again so I guess we'll see

NotInRHouse · Mar 30, 2026

RUskoolie said:
Europe is a bunch of worthless and spineless losers. Maybe a handful of countries there are worth having as allies at this point. So many places the work ethic is absolute zero but we're veering off topic.

Yes our real allies are Russia, Belarus and El Salvador. Let's not forget Dear Leader Kim. A lot of work ethic there, no gender studies, a real model.

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