What about the time where the shot clocks at Iowa couldn't be lined up and they had to restart them and run an entire half off the clock. Lets not have glass houses..
Shocker the refs were terrible
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I am not drunk enough to respond to this properly.
Good god some of you sound like 13 year olds every game. The refs did not decide this game. Iowa started to play the “hold to the shot clock” offense and ducked up. Hell of a season, but grow up and stop blaming the refs every game. No wonder why kids think it ok to blame the refs on everything
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The soft calls were unreal. When Illinois rid it up with the and one foul, Koch was litterally standing still flat footed with his hands up. Or when ILL point guard was given an and one on his drive to the basket, he wasn’t even touch, not even close. It seemed like the fouls came at a pivotal point in the game. Refs sucked but wouldn’t have changed th outcome. Announcers were garbage. It was hard to sit through the officiating and listen to the announcers on top of it. I would rather sandpaper the butthole of an alligator in a telephone booth than ensure that twice. It was pretty bad.
No one is saying that’s why we lost, simply saying the game was clearly one sided. To start the game it was six fouls on Iowa to one Illinois foul. They were in the bonus early on, that doesnt help
It was the type of officiating that had we played well and it was a close game I’d be irate over. It was bad and fairly one sided but I can’t be mad when we gave up so many second chance opportunities.
Illinois goaltended, collided into each other to get free throws, flailed for more free throws, then kicked a dude in the nuts to stop a breakaway dunk. Refs review it and say "common foul, kicking nuts while lying on ground 20 feet from ball is a basketball play". They lived off ref generosity and Angel Reese put backs, couldn't make a 3 to save their grandma, kept getting free throws off weird touch fouls no one could see on tv. All my kids are confused wondering why Illinois is going to the line again, I have no explanation, they never show a replay of said touch fouls. Koch is almost fouled out on touch fouls, Sage is almost fouled out on touch fouls, their frosh PG keeps using his offhand to push off... overall ref grade F-, what did I just watch.
The fan’s expectations of referees are way too high. They are out of control! Refs are going to “miss” calls damn near every time down the floor. As long as calls are consistent is what is important. A game like tonite is really tough for officials because of the difference of size if the two teams. Smaller teams generally play more handsy/aggressive to keep things even and bigger teams will get by with more “contact” and blocked shots because of their advantage. I thought FOR THE MOST PART the referees kept things pretty even… the first part of the second half it became apparent that the refs were gonna call things “closer” than they did in the first half and that was to Illinois advantage initially. But, refereeing did not cost either team this game. And let’s be honest, Illinois has more basketball talent (and a helluva lot more size) than UIowa has.
A missed offensive goal tend, an intential trip not called F1, ticky tack fouls called on us and not them. They beat us up on the boards and that was the difference but the Hawks didn't get a fair shake by the refs. Oh, one more thing,, the Bears suck. GO pack Go!
When Illinois beat Houston, it became a damn tall order to expect the Hawks to win. Accordingly to some of the "experts", Houston was the only team standing between Florida and a repeat natty. Illinois handled them convincingly.
Bottom line, Illinois is a damn good team, the Hawks had a great run until running into them.
Bottom line, Illinois is a damn good team, the Hawks had a great run until running into them.
Drove into the rim several
So many times we drove to the bucket with the sole purpose of taking a big hit/foul. But they didn't call it. You cant tell me those were just plain missed shots or clean blocks! Our players knew they were going to get hammered but silence from the stripes.
Last game you were all praising the refs for how great of a game they called....so which one is it? The refs weren't why Iowa lost last night just as they weren't why we lost to you guys on Thursday.
Were they the same refs both games? Any unbiased observer could see Iowa got a **** whistle last night
Get real...bad calls (intentional or not) CAN and DO affect outcomes. Momentum, foul trouble, points all come into play...what else do you need to make a difference?....oh yea the final score gets distorted after all these things take place ---- then we get all the "refs didn't matter" crap. When it's one team that seems to be getting all the benefits from this --- that's a problem.
Or just being selective on when to enforce basketball rules of the game...ie, traveling, carrying the ball, over-the-backs, moving screens, push-offs, f Officials these days are piss-poor on all aspects of this --- not to mention letting some players have tizzy fits and start running with ball jumping up and downs screaming about being called for a foul (like we saw last night after Stirtz was fouled) - once upon a time that was a Tech.
Wagler used hard push-offs constantly to get shots. Illinois players and coach harping about matching Iowa's physicality? They were the bigger and more physical team all year...suddenly they need this theme? I'm sure their coach put a bug in ref's ear about Iowa to get calls.
Illinois is the better team, they look like it too, bigger and stronger...but Iowa played like it didn't matter...until they couldn't overcome a few bad calls and then second half stopping them inside defensively or make open shots.
Or just being selective on when to enforce basketball rules of the game...ie, traveling, carrying the ball, over-the-backs, moving screens, push-offs, f Officials these days are piss-poor on all aspects of this --- not to mention letting some players have tizzy fits and start running with ball jumping up and downs screaming about being called for a foul (like we saw last night after Stirtz was fouled) - once upon a time that was a Tech.
Wagler used hard push-offs constantly to get shots. Illinois players and coach harping about matching Iowa's physicality? They were the bigger and more physical team all year...suddenly they need this theme? I'm sure their coach put a bug in ref's ear about Iowa to get calls.
Illinois is the better team, they look like it too, bigger and stronger...but Iowa played like it didn't matter...until they couldn't overcome a few bad calls and then second half stopping them inside defensively or make open shots.
We were able to knife in and get rebounds against the first 3 opponents but illini had a wall in there, we missed a few very close in shots where there could have easily been a foul, and 3) there were several definite over the backs in the 2nd half which would have given them fouls and given us the ball or free throws.
But you are right, we missed 3 very close in shots at the rim that let the illini stretch a 1 point lead to 7 or 8 and then we had to chuck up quick treys
There is nothing that has come even close to that bowl game back in 2006 against Florida in the Outback Bowl. As a high schooler at the game I had never felt outrage like that at a sporting event. I’ve often felt refs were in over their heads or incompetent but that was the really only time I felt there was something more sinister and that the fix was in. With the Iowa Nebraska football game in 2019 in Lincoln being a distant second, in a game Iowa ironically won. There was a really, really bad call against one of the Murray’s out in Rutgers to lose a game out there maybe four years ago.
For those of you saying that referees didn't make a difference, I beg to differ. If you know anything about the game, this would never cross your lips. First there are documented instances of games being fixed by refs. Heck, some even went to prison. Second, if there is a noticeable way the game is being called from half to half, which nobody on this board has denied, that change is going to favor one team or another. That is the referees making a difference. Additionally in the two plays mentioned here quite a bit, the trip and the goal tend, that could be as much as a 7-point swing. Finally, in this game particularly, it is nearly impossible for a player to rebound from behind another player without fouling. To do so unless they are physically gifted it would require the player from behind be 6 inches taller than the other player. Control of the boards requires position.
All of these things as well as the number of fouls a team or players have goes into how a team reacts during a game.
Could Illinois have still won if the game was called differently. Yes. But this crap about the refs don't make a difference is just that. Crap. It happens all the time in every sport, Do the Refs do it consciously? I don't know, but it isn't all that uncommon.
All of these things as well as the number of fouls a team or players have goes into how a team reacts during a game.
Could Illinois have still won if the game was called differently. Yes. But this crap about the refs don't make a difference is just that. Crap. It happens all the time in every sport, Do the Refs do it consciously? I don't know, but it isn't all that uncommon.
I was pretty drunk in a loud bar and finally saw some replays this morning. Oh man they missed some terrible calls.
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Great post! One other egregious missed call call, was when stickman had a clean block on our guy (drawing a blank on who) but then literally fell ON TOP of our player. WTF?
Also hilarious that one of announcers had such a love affair with Wagler that he conveniently overlooked his cheap trip and went on to say that HE was the victim on that play. LMAO.
We ran out of good officiating luck after three straight games of barely noticing the zebras.
I just hate the what-ifs of a clean game, even though Illinois probably still wins. That crew was about as bad as any I’ve seen this year.
It sort of felt to me there was a Chicago media agenda needed to be passed with an Illinois trip to Indianapolis.
There should be a foul call.but allow continuation of the play. You intentionally fouled to stop the break. You should be penalized accordingly. We then shoot FTs and get the ball out.
If anyone actually believes that Iowa committed 8 fouls in the first half and ILL only committed the 3 that they were whistled for, that person is absolutely nuts.
Banks…. Banks got hammered on this play.
I see in this thread that many posters, not surprisingly, have never played basketball and can't even recognize the difference between basketball and rugby when it plays out right in front of their eyes.
You all do realize that Iowa equaled #1 seed Florida on the boards, right? That's Florida, the tall, defending national champions who led the entire NATION, including Illinois, in rebounding margin at +15. So how might you explain that Iowa was able to do that yet was dominated on the boards by Illinois? Is it possible, and I'm just spitballin' here, is it POSSIBLE that it's tough to rebound when you box out but are pushed, shoved, and elbowed out of the way by guys who weigh more than you do?
Well, not only is it possible, that's largely what happened last night. Hell, on a FT Koch was elbowed in the neck. It was obvious to everyone, but the officials just ignored it. Koch complained, and the official appeared to wave a finger at the Illinois player as if to say, "That's not nice. Don't do that anymore, or we'll have to call a foul on Iowa."
And how is it that Iowa was charged with ONE foul the entire second half (Nebby had 3) in the Nebraska game but were whistled for a dozen or so last night? How is it fair that one team is allowed to play rugby while the other team has to play basketball?
Go back and review the film and see how many times #0 traveled. I'll give ya a hint: It was more times than he had the ball, because he often traveled two or three times on one possession, but not ONE was called. Not one. Which is what you'd expect since traveling ain't a thing in rugby.
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That arena should never be allowed to host another NCAA Tournament game. There are other options--like Des Moines and the Quad-Cities.
Was that in an Elite Eight NCAA Tournament game? Asking for a . . . forget it.
I'll admit it. Illinois is one of the best damn rugby teams I've ever seen on a basketball court, at least outside of East Lansing, Michigan.
That's some pretty solid logic right there. You, my friend, must be a genius.
For every bad call we see that wasnt called on Illinois, they can do the same and look at calls that was missed on Iowa.
It wasn't THAT one sided that changed the outcome of the game.
Illinois has beat Iowa 9 of last 10 games. They're a better team than us. They won, no need to say we were cheated out.