Med School DEI Admissions - Trump Admin Investigates
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The “stats” cited here are pretty inane. Most notably, without any feel for the qualified applicant pool demographics, no inferences can be drawn. Personally, my instinct is that more women and minorities are becoming doctors because the economic incentives have been removed for doing so, and you are left with altruists that are perfectly happy to just follow the treatment protocol and process patients.
that said, a humorous aside. Some years ago a cycling teammate had a bad race in Kentucky, and afterwards did not feel that well. Went to the emts who told him his heart rate was elevated, that he should go to the er, and that he should not go to the local hospital but to “the Jewish hospital” across the river.
that said, a humorous aside. Some years ago a cycling teammate had a bad race in Kentucky, and afterwards did not feel that well. Went to the emts who told him his heart rate was elevated, that he should go to the er, and that he should not go to the local hospital but to “the Jewish hospital” across the river.
What do you mean by inane? You think they are misrepresented? You have no concerns about what they show?
You think white males suddenly stopped applying to med school? They somehow got dumber while everyone else got smarter?
The economic incentives for being a doctor have not changed. They are still among the most highly paid professions, that hasn’t changed .
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@dbjork6317 didn’t you ask me for a link on this subject the other day? I don’t think anyone even disputes that it happens. The only question is if it’s justified to balance out previous inequities.
Two wrongs will never make a right and racism is wrong. There is no justification
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I agree. He seemed to be questioning whether or not it’s even occurring. I wasn’t aware that anyone even doubted that it was.
What's interesting to me in this whole DEI is bad campaign, is folks always make it about race. But did you know, its also about class? Did you know Veterans are given special treatment? Meaning that students who grow up poor are also given preference. JD Vance, or whatever his name was back then, got into Yale on such a DEI admission.
There is a fundamental reason for equity and inclusion, that reason is that we don't want a forever class of elites that rule over people and underscore easy differences like race, class, sex etc. This is what the melting pot post Civil Rights era was meant to do. Assimilate everyone into a society as equals. The issue is, when groups of people are denied access for millenia to the upper halls of education, they don't have the same access that people who have had that access this entire time.
Also, these claims on MCAT scores are sourced from the lawsuit by the us government against UCLA.
We've all heard these arguments before. White conservatives hate Affirmative Action, and now they've rebranded it to DEI, its the same thing in this instance. Its more than just race. But, the folks who only focus on race for some reason, always just bring up that portion of it. Again DEI helps veterans and the poor as well.
There is a fundamental reason for equity and inclusion, that reason is that we don't want a forever class of elites that rule over people and underscore easy differences like race, class, sex etc. This is what the melting pot post Civil Rights era was meant to do. Assimilate everyone into a society as equals. The issue is, when groups of people are denied access for millenia to the upper halls of education, they don't have the same access that people who have had that access this entire time.
Also, these claims on MCAT scores are sourced from the lawsuit by the us government against UCLA.
We've all heard these arguments before. White conservatives hate Affirmative Action, and now they've rebranded it to DEI, its the same thing in this instance. Its more than just race. But, the folks who only focus on race for some reason, always just bring up that portion of it. Again DEI helps veterans and the poor as well.
Yep. Veterans and (white) women are the two biggest recipients of DEI policies. All these mediocre white men are just mad the DEI policies that benefitted mediocre white men were ended
Where is the data that DEI/Affirmative Action aims to help "poor people" (controlling for other factors, such as race and gender)? AI, at least, seems to believe that DEI policies fail to account for socioeconomic factors in a meaningful manner.
Yes and you’ve still not provided it. Your claim was that there were racial hiring quotas, though you didn’t really specify if you were referring to business or government agencies etc
IQ extrapolated from MCAT scores? MCAT scores themselves? I had no idea that was all there was to being a doctor, or a lawyer, or an engineer, or a professor, or...
That’s half true. Veterans are not one of the two largest recipients of benefits. But youre referring to women’s right to work, that’s different than choosing which races should have lower or higher admissions standards. Much different. No one would argue that you should be denied admission into a medical school program based on race. But almost everyone would agree that the testing standards should be the same and that is a reasonable way to determine admission. Giving ALL women the opportunity to work is much different than giving ALL (INSERT RACE HERE) women the opportunity and everyone else be damned. Those aren’t the same thing.
I have always thought that this (i.e., outlawing strict quotas but allowing race to be considered along with other criteria such as gender and an applicant's socioeconomic level- i.e., poverty) was what the Supreme Court decision in Bakke mandated. And I'm OK with that. If Vance's family was poor and he got a leg up because of that, fine. He may have crapped on poor folks since then, but no one could predict that back when he was first applying to college.
DEI is racism against white people. It's so blatant that it's a running joke among white people.
DEI is trash. It's poison. And Trump was absolutely 100% correct to eliminate any program that mentions it. It's that bad.
Those poor white people. They're SO downtrodden.
Well I guess those veterans and poor white folks need to be trashed as well.
I'm sorry you are so upset and propagandized its made you confident in your racism. Hope you get better soon!
I read an article about the UCLA medical school. It used to be that 99% of the interns passed their internship test. Recently 50% have been failing it. Here is the link: https://www.westernstandard.news/ne...since-lowering-standards-for-minorities/54812
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Here is what Chat GPT says about Vance:
"JD Vance graduated summa *** laude.
- That designation typically means he was near the very top of his class—usually around a 3.8–4.0 GPA range, depending on the school.
So while his exact GPA isn’t published, it was very high—essentially top-tier academically."You may want to compare it [and where available LSAT scores] to minority applicants. No one thinks that people who are truly disadvantaged (your skin color doesn't mean you are truly disadvantaged shouldn't be given credit for overcoming their disadvantages and Vance had a truly disadvantaged childhood] He wasn't given a DEI advantage similar to that, for instance given to UCLA medical student applicants.
You know how many summa *** laude 's are rejected from Yale?Here is what Chat GPT says about Vance:
"JD Vance graduated summa *** laude.
- That designation typically means he was near the very top of his class—usually around a 3.8–4.0 GPA range, depending on the school.
You may want to compare it [and where available LSAT scores] to minority applicants. No one thinks that people who are truly disadvantaged (your skin color doesn't mean you are truly disadvantaged shouldn't be given credit for overcoming their disadvantages and Vance had a truly disadvantaged childhood] He wasn't given a DEI advantage similar to that, for instance given to UCLA medical student applicants.
You should look into that
Vance came from a poor background. Everyone knows that. Are you asserting that he didn't mention that in his law school applications?! Recall that this is the guy who wrote "Hillbilly Elegy." That dog won't hunt, Buck.
You need to read my post. I specifically said that if you are truly disadvantaged you should be given credit for overcoming the disadvantage -- which he did in spades.
He most certainly did. He came out of poverty. But the fact that he overcame that disadvantage surely gave him a leg up in the law school admissions process, and it should have, IMHO. By the same token, if a black applicant comes out of the "hood" and puts up similar grades and test scores, isn't HE overcoming a disadvantaged background and shouldn't HE likewise get a leg up on account of it? If not, what we end up with is the same group of privileged, largely white (or perhaps Asian) law students that composed the student body in years prior. Grades and test scores are certainly the most important criteria in the admissions process, but not the only criteria. A kid who overcomes a difficult background and thrives notwithstanding is in fact demonstrating merit, no?
This may sound racist as to my comment
I avoid using any Black doctor for anything unless I get glowing reviews from someone who has experience with their abilities
For example Dr Ben Carson has my complete trust and he is a Black doctor
I only say this not because of the Black doctor being less than competent on an individual basis but because the DEI policies have flooded the medical profession with many less than competent doctors and unfortunately a significant amount of Black doctors are practicing who are not qualified
My problem is I don’t’ know the answer to which are unqualified so I have to avoid all to be safe just as I try to vet White doctors from white doctors who appear. Not to be qualified
A doctor friend once told me a joke
What do you call the person who finished last place in med school?
doctor
Vet you doctors no matter the skin color.
have heard that for years that finishing first and finishing last makes a big difference but you still finished and have the shingle
being or not being downtrodden is irrelevant. The 1964 law prohibits discrimination on the basis of race (and all those other things). Everybody gets treated equally, that should be the standard.Those poor white people. They're SO downtrodden.
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so, based on your analysis, all we're doing is transferring discrimination from race to class. Wouldn't the entire process be fair to everybody is that decicsons were based solely on the individual, regardless of race, religion etc and class? How is it fair if a Child of yours - rich, white, educated in private schools - was rejected solely on that basis.
I agree with everything you have said and 100 PERCENT agree that people who have overcome obstacles should get credit for it. The Left largely opposes the concept of merit based admissions and job acceptance. To me overcoming real obstacles is meritorious. It is the way it is applied to give minorities jobs and positions that they are not qualified for that I oppose. For instance, during the Biden administration a stupid Asian Indian woman was nominated and approved as a federal judge. She was previously a law clerk for several years and was asked by Senator Kennedy during the nomination process what the standard of review that was applied to Federal trial courts (where she was working as a clerk doing legal research) by Federal appeal courts and she didn't know. This amazingly stupid person is now sitting on a federal court deciding life and death issues.
You know how many black summa *** laudes are rejected by Yale. You should look into that.
It sounds racist because it is. If your default position about a black doctor is that you don’t think he’s qualified for his position because of the color of his skin then yeah you have a racist predisposition. I guess it’s something that you recognize it, but that definitely has racist undertones.