Why Are So Many Democratic Politicians So Far Out of Touch?

m.knox

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The majority of the party is out of touch. Extreme cultists. When the NYT says it, believe it. LOL....

MODERATION IS THE ENEMY!!

https://archive.is/a9ef0#selection-519.0-519.59

In January 2025, when the U.S. House took up legislation to bar trans women’s participation on women’s sports teams, all but two Democratic representatives — Henry Cuellar and Vicente Gonzalez — voted against the bill.

When the Senate took up a similar proposal three days ago, every Democrat present voted against it.

Why don’t more Democrats explicitly moderate their stands on transgender rights, immigration and other issues? Those who maintain far-out positions are well to the left of the electorate and its emblematic median voter. The trans issue clearly weakened Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign, leaving her open to devastating pro-Trump ads.
 

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The NYT op-ed section is a mess. This guy is a blowhard. They're wrong on trans issues and on immigration. Countless polls and data analysis show that trans issues backfire on republicans. If you think it hurt Kamala then you're just a bigot
 

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The NYT op-ed section is a mess. This guy is a blowhard. They're wrong on trans issues and on immigration. Countless polls and data analysis show that trans issues backfire on republicans. If you think it hurt Kamala then you're just a bigot
Guess I’m a bigot. Loud and proud.


Trans is the anchor around democrats neck. No one can defend child mutilation.
 

baltimorened

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The majority of the party is out of touch. Extreme cultists. When the NYT says it, believe it. LOL....

MODERATION IS THE ENEMY!!

https://archive.is/a9ef0#selection-519.0-519.59

In January 2025, when the U.S. House took up legislation to bar trans women’s participation on women’s sports teams, all but two Democratic representatives — Henry Cuellar and Vicente Gonzalez — voted against the bill.

When the Senate took up a similar proposal three days ago, every Democrat present voted against it.

Why don’t more Democrats explicitly moderate their stands on transgender rights, immigration and other issues? Those who maintain far-out positions are well to the left of the electorate and its emblematic median voter. The trans issue clearly weakened Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign, leaving her open to devastating pro-Trump ads.
democrats traditionally do not buck the caucus. They have had strong "togetherness" on issues and, absent some competing reason to vote their own way, they stay in line. Republicans, on the other hand, have had no problem bucking their leadership.

Now before someone tells me all the anecdotal exceptions. Remember, the party whips know exactly what the vote is going to be before it happens. If the Democrat caucus, just for example, knows that republicans have the vote on any issue, then no matter how an individual Democrat votes makes no difference. So vote what ever position gets you reelected.

In the same way, if a member has a significant district issue where he has to buck the caucus, it will be well known ahead of time and if that vote is not needed or is "throwaway" normally he gets a pass to vote against the caucus.
 

Allornothing

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democrats traditionally do not buck the caucus. They have had strong "togetherness" on issues and, absent some competing reason to vote their own way, they stay in line. Republicans, on the other hand, have had no problem bucking their leadership.

Now before someone tells me all the anecdotal exceptions. Remember, the party whips know exactly what the vote is going to be before it happens. If the Democrat caucus, just for example, knows that republicans have the vote on any issue, then no matter how an individual Democrat votes makes no difference. So vote what ever position gets you reelected.

In the same way, if a member has a significant district issue where he has to buck the caucus, it will be well known ahead of time and if that vote is not needed or is "throwaway" normally he gets a pass to vote against the caucus.
Not trying to diminish what you just typed Ned, but this is what smart people who follow politics have known for decades. It never makes the news, and if it does it's always one-sided. All these folks are spineless. They have no religion, principles, or morals and it most certainly applies to all of the political parties D/I/R. They are all trash.
 

Allornothing

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There is 0 child mutilation. Its a made up problem.
You can prove that there is 0 child mutilation? I didn't think so.

You're no different than the other person on this board who hates all things regarding religion because he was a$$ raped as a child in the "church".
 
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The majority of the party is out of touch. Extreme cultists. When the NYT says it, believe it. LOL....

MODERATION IS THE ENEMY!!

https://archive.is/a9ef0#selection-519.0-519.59

In January 2025, when the U.S. House took up legislation to bar trans women’s participation on women’s sports teams, all but two Democratic representatives — Henry Cuellar and Vicente Gonzalez — voted against the bill.

When the Senate took up a similar proposal three days ago, every Democrat present voted against it.

Why don’t more Democrats explicitly moderate their stands on transgender rights, immigration and other issues? Those who maintain far-out positions are well to the left of the electorate and its emblematic median voter. The trans issue clearly weakened Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign, leaving her open to devastating pro-Trump ads.
Because they are out of touch with Trump Cultists. Pity, that. :cool:
 

m.knox

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Because they are out of touch with Trump Cultists. Pity, that. :cool:

Ruy Teixeira has something for you.... lol....

No Learning Please, We’re Democrats!​


https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/no-learning-please-were-democrats

Last July, I wrote a piece asking, in the wake of Democrats’ catastrophic defeat in the 2024 election and the obvious need for serious party-wide change, “Is Our Democrats Learning?” At the time, I saw little evidence that Democratic learning was, in fact, taking place.

Posing this question again in early spring 2026, it is my sad duty to inform you that our Democrats continue not to learn. If anything, they are increasingly adamant that such learning is not even necessary. Their mantra now might be, paraphrasing that old joke about the British: “No learning please, we’re Democrats.”
 

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You can prove that there is 0 child mutilation? I didn't think so.

You're no different than the other person on this board who hates all things regarding religion because he was a$$ raped as a child in the "church".

You can prove that there are 0 unicorns on this planet? I didn't think so.
 
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dpic73

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Not sure where to put this but since the subject says "out of touch", please note the phrase "re-elected" And yes, this is from Wednesday.

 
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m.knox

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Who is out of touch again @m.knox 😅





Democrats. Duh. Read and learn about THE ISSUES.... lol.. Mind you, the author is a democrat. A moderate democrat ran off for being moderate.....

No Learning Please, We’re Democrats!​


https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/no-learning-please-were-democrats

To wrap things up, let’s review some of those Democratic problems that have not been solved. This is but a selection from a broader rogues’ gallery of problems that continue to bedevil the party.

The culture problem. This is a big one. The yawning gap between the cultural views of the Democratic Party, dominated by liberal professionals, and those of the median working class voter is screamingly obvious. One approach to this problem would be to actually change some of the Democratic Party positions that are so alienating to those voters.

Nah! That would be way too simple plus would create fights within our coalition plus…we’re on the right side of history aren’t we so why the hell would we change our correct, righteous positions? Democrats have instead chosen a different path, aptly summed up by Lauren Egan:

------

The working-class and rural voter problem. This brings us to the Democrats’ working-class and rural voter problem, also screamingly obvious from long-term trends and the results of the 2024 election. Of course, Democrats take comfort from the copious evidence that many of these voters are now having second thoughts about their support for Trump and the GOP. This can be seen both in low Trump approval and future Republican voting intentions relative to those voters’ 2024 levels of Trump support.

------------

The trans “rights” problem. Every once in a while, some Democratic politician ventures a mild dissent from the trans activist agenda. Without exception, they are met with a brick wall of intense intra-party opposition which typically results in a hasty retreat by said politician. It is truly a litmus test issue.

This is remarkable. Perhaps nothing would surprise a Democratic time traveler from the 20th century as much as the incorporation of transgender “rights” into the Democrats’ 21st century project. Going far beyond basic civil rights in housing, employment, and marriage, Democrats have uncritically embraced the ideological agenda of trans activists who believe gender identity trumps biological sex, and that therefore, for example, transwomen—trans-identified males—are literally women and must be able to access all women’s spaces and opportunities: sports, changing rooms, bathrooms, jails, crisis centers, institutions, etc.

-------

The immigration problem. The immigration issue has been a total disaster for the Democrats. They encouraged mass immigration through lax border and interior enforcement and porous asylum systems that effectively legalized illegal immigration and made a mockery of controlled, legal immigration. Over time, the intense unpopularity of these policies has contributed hugely to tanking Democrats’ working-class support. But to this day where are the Democratic politicians who are willing to unapologetically proclaim the following fundamentals of a realistic immigration policy?

----------

The economic program (or lack thereof) problem. Democrats seem to think that the well-documented discontent with the Trump administration’s economic management now makes the economy “their” issue. In a thermostatic, opposition party sense that may be true, but it remains the case that Democrats do not have an advantage over Republicans on handling the economy.

This makes sense since voters viewed the previous Democratic administration quite negatively on economic management. They may not like what Trump has done, but they have not forgotten what Democrats did.

And let’s face it: the current Democratic economic program is quite thin; voters can reasonably question whether Democratic plans for the economy would be much of an improvement over what the previous Democratic administration delivered. Take energy.

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It’s time—past time—for Democrats to discard the conceit that they are on the right side of history and that therefore their positions are, and have been, noble and correct. Until they do so, I do not expect them to develop the dominant majority coalition they seek and vanquish right populism. Indeed, it could be the other way around. That’s a sobering thought.
 

dpic73

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Democrats. Duh. Read and learn about THE ISSUES.... lol.. Mind you, the author is a democrat. A moderate democrat ran off for being moderate.....

No Learning Please, We’re Democrats!​


https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/no-learning-please-were-democrats

To wrap things up, let’s review some of those Democratic problems that have not been solved. This is but a selection from a broader rogues’ gallery of problems that continue to bedevil the party.

The culture problem. This is a big one. The yawning gap between the cultural views of the Democratic Party, dominated by liberal professionals, and those of the median working class voter is screamingly obvious. One approach to this problem would be to actually change some of the Democratic Party positions that are so alienating to those voters.

Nah! That would be way too simple plus would create fights within our coalition plus…we’re on the right side of history aren’t we so why the hell would we change our correct, righteous positions? Democrats have instead chosen a different path, aptly summed up by Lauren Egan:

------

The working-class and rural voter problem. This brings us to the Democrats’ working-class and rural voter problem, also screamingly obvious from long-term trends and the results of the 2024 election. Of course, Democrats take comfort from the copious evidence that many of these voters are now having second thoughts about their support for Trump and the GOP. This can be seen both in low Trump approval and future Republican voting intentions relative to those voters’ 2024 levels of Trump support.

------------

The trans “rights” problem. Every once in a while, some Democratic politician ventures a mild dissent from the trans activist agenda. Without exception, they are met with a brick wall of intense intra-party opposition which typically results in a hasty retreat by said politician. It is truly a litmus test issue.

This is remarkable. Perhaps nothing would surprise a Democratic time traveler from the 20th century as much as the incorporation of transgender “rights” into the Democrats’ 21st century project. Going far beyond basic civil rights in housing, employment, and marriage, Democrats have uncritically embraced the ideological agenda of trans activists who believe gender identity trumps biological sex, and that therefore, for example, transwomen—trans-identified males—are literally women and must be able to access all women’s spaces and opportunities: sports, changing rooms, bathrooms, jails, crisis centers, institutions, etc.

-------

The immigration problem. The immigration issue has been a total disaster for the Democrats. They encouraged mass immigration through lax border and interior enforcement and porous asylum systems that effectively legalized illegal immigration and made a mockery of controlled, legal immigration. Over time, the intense unpopularity of these policies has contributed hugely to tanking Democrats’ working-class support. But to this day where are the Democratic politicians who are willing to unapologetically proclaim the following fundamentals of a realistic immigration policy?

----------

The economic program (or lack thereof) problem. Democrats seem to think that the well-documented discontent with the Trump administration’s economic management now makes the economy “their” issue. In a thermostatic, opposition party sense that may be true, but it remains the case that Democrats do not have an advantage over Republicans on handling the economy.

This makes sense since voters viewed the previous Democratic administration quite negatively on economic management. They may not like what Trump has done, but they have not forgotten what Democrats did.

And let’s face it: the current Democratic economic program is quite thin; voters can reasonably question whether Democratic plans for the economy would be much of an improvement over what the previous Democratic administration delivered. Take energy.

-----

It’s time—past time—for Democrats to discard the conceit that they are on the right side of history and that therefore their positions are, and have been, noble and correct. Until they do so, I do not expect them to develop the dominant majority coalition they seek and vanquish right populism. Indeed, it could be the other way around. That’s a sobering thought.
Oh noes! Whatever should we do?



 

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Oh noes! Whatever should we do?




so, before 2024, what odds would you have given trump to win reelection, especially 2 years before?

next, who will democrats run in 2028? and will Vance be the Republican nominee?

What's going to be the outcome of the Iran War? We might well be in a booming recovery "best ever" nobody has ever seen a recovery like this before"!!

I guess my point is that at this date, who gives a big rat's a-- about any poll about an election more than two years away? Sounds good, feeds the biases, but is meaningless. Back in 2022 if someone would have told me trump would win a second term, I'd have thought he/she were crazy. But, here we are.
 

dpic73

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so, before 2024, what odds would you have given trump to win reelection, especially 2 years before?

next, who will democrats run in 2028? and will Vance be the Republican nominee?

What's going to be the outcome of the Iran War? We might well be in a booming recovery "best ever" nobody has ever seen a recovery like this before"!!

I guess my point is that at this date, who gives a big rat's a-- about any poll about an election more than two years away? Sounds good, feeds the biases, but is meaningless. Back in 2022 if someone would have told me trump would win a second term, I'd have thought he/she were crazy. But, here we are.
Maybe use that same logic to address Knox's hysterical screeching about "Democrats Not Learning!"

Doesn't seem to be making a damn bit of difference at the moment now does it?
 

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Maybe use that same logic to address Knox's hysterical screeching about "Democrats Not Learning!"

Doesn't seem to be making a damn bit of difference at the moment now does it?
sorry, didn't see Knox's post..I'll go back and look for it
Democrats. Duh. Read and learn about THE ISSUES.... lol.. Mind you, the author is a democrat. A moderate democrat ran off for being moderate.....

No Learning Please, We’re Democrats!​


https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/no-learning-please-were-democrats

To wrap things up, let’s review some of those Democratic problems that have not been solved. This is but a selection from a broader rogues’ gallery of problems that continue to bedevil the party.

The culture problem. This is a big one. The yawning gap between the cultural views of the Democratic Party, dominated by liberal professionals, and those of the median working class voter is screamingly obvious. One approach to this problem would be to actually change some of the Democratic Party positions that are so alienating to those voters.

Nah! That would be way too simple plus would create fights within our coalition plus…we’re on the right side of history aren’t we so why the hell would we change our correct, righteous positions? Democrats have instead chosen a different path, aptly summed up by Lauren Egan:

------

The working-class and rural voter problem. This brings us to the Democrats’ working-class and rural voter problem, also screamingly obvious from long-term trends and the results of the 2024 election. Of course, Democrats take comfort from the copious evidence that many of these voters are now having second thoughts about their support for Trump and the GOP. This can be seen both in low Trump approval and future Republican voting intentions relative to those voters’ 2024 levels of Trump support.

------------

The trans “rights” problem. Every once in a while, some Democratic politician ventures a mild dissent from the trans activist agenda. Without exception, they are met with a brick wall of intense intra-party opposition which typically results in a hasty retreat by said politician. It is truly a litmus test issue.

This is remarkable. Perhaps nothing would surprise a Democratic time traveler from the 20th century as much as the incorporation of transgender “rights” into the Democrats’ 21st century project. Going far beyond basic civil rights in housing, employment, and marriage, Democrats have uncritically embraced the ideological agenda of trans activists who believe gender identity trumps biological sex, and that therefore, for example, transwomen—trans-identified males—are literally women and must be able to access all women’s spaces and opportunities: sports, changing rooms, bathrooms, jails, crisis centers, institutions, etc.

-------

The immigration problem. The immigration issue has been a total disaster for the Democrats. They encouraged mass immigration through lax border and interior enforcement and porous asylum systems that effectively legalized illegal immigration and made a mockery of controlled, legal immigration. Over time, the intense unpopularity of these policies has contributed hugely to tanking Democrats’ working-class support. But to this day where are the Democratic politicians who are willing to unapologetically proclaim the following fundamentals of a realistic immigration policy?

----------

The economic program (or lack thereof) problem. Democrats seem to think that the well-documented discontent with the Trump administration’s economic management now makes the economy “their” issue. In a thermostatic, opposition party sense that may be true, but it remains the case that Democrats do not have an advantage over Republicans on handling the economy.

This makes sense since voters viewed the previous Democratic administration quite negatively on economic management. They may not like what Trump has done, but they have not forgotten what Democrats did.

And let’s face it: the current Democratic economic program is quite thin; voters can reasonably question whether Democratic plans for the economy would be much of an improvement over what the previous Democratic administration delivered. Take energy.

-----

It’s time—past time—for Democrats to discard the conceit that they are on the right side of history and that therefore their positions are, and have been, noble and correct. Until they do so, I do not expect them to develop the dominant majority coalition they seek and vanquish right populism. Indeed, it could be the other way around. That’s a sobering thought.
all of that being said, all of these issues are pertinent to the recent elections where democrats have been cleaning up with wins.

I think what the author is missing, and this is just my opinion, Republicans really blew it with the apparent heavy handed approach to immigration in Minneapolis. Now whether that translates into votes in 2028 is not clear. But, I'd think that it will in 2026.

And the one issue, the elephant in the election so to speak, is this affordability. If Trump had been honest in 2024 - just tell people that it was historically unlikely that prices would go down - he'd have been OK...but promising to reduce prices on day one made him, and republicans, vulnerable in 2026.

I won't disagree that a lot of the issues raised by the author are negatives for the democrats in general, but I personally think that a majority of voters won't care, and those running for Congress in 2026 won't be running on those issues. A lot can and will change between now and November, so any prognostications or definition of issues is premature.

Besides, republicans have issues of their own...
 
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dpic73

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Try moderation instead of extremism???
We've flipped 28 red seats in special elections, Republicans have flipped zero
One of those seats was in the district that includes Mar-a-Lago
They are projecting an electoral wipeout in the mid-terms with the Senate likely to flip as well
Trump is the worst polling president of all time so maga is dead when this is over.

Maybe it's you that needs to learn Screech
 

m.knox

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We've flipped 28 red seats in special elections, Republicans have flipped zero
One of those seats was in the district that includes Mar-a-Lago
They are projecting an electoral wipeout in the mid-terms with the Senate likely to flip as well
Trump is the worst polling president of all time so maga is dead when this is over.

Maybe it's you that needs to learn Screech

Happens every midterm.

Meanwhile, you clowns remain extremists. Trump has 2.5 more years... lmfao....

Man, the cult has a good one in you. Let me remind you, THE ELECTORAL WIPEOUT ALREADY HAPPENED..
 

dpic73

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Happens every midterm.

Meanwhile, you clowns remain extremists. Trump has 2.5 more years... lmfao....

Man, the cult has a good one in you. Let me remind you, THE ELECTORAL WIPEOUT ALREADY HAPPENED..