What's all the optimism for?
Have you ever seen MSU play? The floor is absolutely zero.
Worse case scenario for Mississippi State football
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Have you ever seen MSU play? The floor is absolutely zero.
Yeah but we have Lebby on the sideline.
No rationale mind should think Minnesota is an easy win in their backyard. Two wins is floor with three being the ceiling. A handful of close games tho.
I really am, I'm not really feeling it at 4 but I don't see more than that either. 3 would be more like it but 2 wouldn't surprise me. I don't see more than 1 or 2 conference games at best plus the ULM and TN Tech ones.
You can say it all you want but Lebby did pretty GD good last year with the worst offensive line in the history of Mississippi State.
Something is wrong with the football hiring process. Arnett was A+ at booster access and F at coaching. Lebby is A+ at booster access and F at coaching.
Leach was A+ at coaching but F at booster access.
Need a strong AD who emphasizes good, experienced coaching and keeps the good ol boys off the practice field.
Leach was A+ at coaching but F at booster access.
Need a strong AD who emphasizes good, experienced coaching and keeps the good ol boys off the practice field.
I don't think the guys returning are UPGRADES but i also don't think they were the weakest links last year.
BUT some of the transfers have to be considerable upgrades over what we lost or filtered out.
Our oline was likely worse last year than it was in year 1 of lebby. We were still a much better team even with a way worse offensivie line.
We may very well suck this year, but i have reason for hope. I'm also an optimistic person and not pessimistic person.
5-7 isn't "pretty GD good" by any stretch of the imagination. Worst OL in history is debatable, but it was pretty bad. Guess whose fault that was.
I predicted we would be much better in 25. I was right. I said if we stayed healthy last year we would win 6 out side chance at 7. We win five but should have won 7 we obviously didn’t stay healthy. Last time I checked from 2-10 to 5-7 is improvement and in 26 we will be improved again.
Im not gas lighting as you say. I have attended multiple practices and scrimmages the last three years including spring and fall I can tell you we will be better this year than last year
I predict after game 2 many on here will be calling for the backup QB. No matter what happens by mid season the folks on here that have wanted Lebby fired since the day after he was hired will be calling for Lebby to be fired even if he is 4-2. Being right is more important to them than State having a winning season. We have a monumental task ahead of us this season but I expect the defense to make a huge leap forward. That by itself should gain us 2 wins. I'm going with 6-6 with the upside of 8 wins.
going 1-15 in the sec with horrendous in game coaching probably has more to do with fans wanting Lebby fired than any desire to being “proven right”. He’s in over his head and it’s painfully obvious.
I hope he stays and proves all of you wrong. He's a proven offensive coach. If the defense improves then there will be a lot of drinking by y'all that want him gone.
He’s not a proven offensive head coach, he’s a play caller as OC who was coaching 4 and 5 stars at Oklahoma against 3 star players in the big 12. Bad match for Miss State where you have to do more with less.
5-7 was pretty GD good considering the Oline. FACT.
Yes it was on lebby b/c of the Oline but FACT, he took over the worst talent that state has had in 40 years or more.
Fact. Hell we had people bitching on here after 4-0 this year.
@85Bears disappeared until around game 6.
What about UCF being #2 in total offense under Lebby? Ole Miss where he changed things up? I'm sure y'all know more than these guys: Max Chadwick
Yea sure, it had nothing to with Josh Heupel or Dillon Gabriel, just Lebbys genius iq. I’ve seen enough of Lebby to know he’s not a head coach.
This is all nonsense. We beat nobody with a pulse outside of Arizona State and they weren't great. You're counting points for close losses to Tennessee and Texas (games we lost thanks to your incompetent head coach and his brain-dead in-game decision making), but you're not talking about the entire second half of the year when the team quit and we were getting blown out by everyone not named Arkansas. And if we don't have some good fortune from the officials, we would've lost that game too. We weren't even competitive with teams down the stretch.
We were not much better last year. The schedule was more manageable. The tougher games were at home.
Again, I can't wait until a year from now when we get to do this all over again.
To be fair, no one in the fanbase cried when Moorhead and Arnett were fired after 2 and 0.8 seasons respectively. The problem is we've made bad hires and had quick triggers to fire them, because that makes it harder to have a quick trigger with the next guy. If Leach hadn't passed away and retired in 2023, we would've fired Lebby after the past two seasons. Now we have a reputation as a hard job, no one can succeed in.
If Lebby has another losing season, he should be fired. Hopefully we go out and find a sitting head coach who is a proven winner, regardless classification. Just give me someone who can run a program. I don't give a **** about what offense de jour he runs.
Time will tell. If he doesn't win 6 this season then I will be supportive of a change. This is his 3rd year so no more excuses. I'm just not ready to pull the trigger before the season starts. He inherited a mess when he started.
These two things are not the same. The backup QB folks are the same idiots who are eternally optimstic and RuNdAbAwL, and just want things done their way.
The smart people who know that we will such aren't the ones calling for the backup QB.
Found Larry Templeton's burner, guys. Jayzus, what year is it? We just saw the worst football program in FBS win the BigTen and the CFP after 2 years! But Mississippi State is still on the four year plan to have a winning season.
This is pretty much where I am. He’s got to win six I might be OK with five and seven depending on how that looked MAYBE
Doubtful. Lebby went out and got two tomato cans to back up Taylor.
They beat Alabama 2 years ago. How long has it been since MSU has had an Alabama game with still just a questionable result in just the middle of the 4th quarter? Then before that?
Stubby didn't beat Alabama by himself. He was part of yet another football program that is being ran head and shoulders better than MSU's.
And now they yanked one of the top 3 highest rated QBs (which is also the top 3 of any position) in last years nationwide recruiting rankings away from Kirby Smart and Georgia last year. And our big coup at a position of desperate need? A three star OT who is ineligible.
If thinking they are on a different trajectory than MSU football since the implementation of NIL is ignorance. I guess I'm friken ignorant.
Well... we did fire head coach Zach Arnett.. only to hire defensive coordinator Zach Arnett. There is a difference many times in performance based on what plaque hangs outside their office.
Clark Lea went 2-10, 5-7 (sound familiar?), 2-10 (aww) before picking up Pavia, Jerry Kill and Tim Beck from New Mexico St.
I’m sure you were one of the first to step and give to NIL right?
Templeton I am not. But unlike you and 99% of the posters on this board I have been in seal I have been to practices and scrimmages. We are a better team than we were in 25
And? My point was about him being a good OC which is what the article is about.
Va tech fired prye mid season hired James Franklin who then hired Prye to be his DC
No. We went 5-8 last year, so two fewer losses from the worst MSU team to ever take the field. Moreover, we looked every bit the part of the 16th placed SEC team from November 1st on (See comments above where Arkansas out played us, but we were gifted the game by SEC refs). I can understand the blowouts against the two Playoff teams, but it is questionable to get blown out by Missouri and it is absolutely unacceptable the turd the team laid against an ACC also ran. Every bit of the goodwill earned in September was absolutely lit on fire by Coach Humpty Dumpty from November on.
And let’s not skim over the fact that it’s not exactly as if the one win over a hapless Arkansas team was an emphatic victory. We should not have won that game
This should never be understated. The difference between The Very Low IQ, Loser Libby being 0-16 and being 1-15 in the SEC is because the SEC refs called penalties in our favor for the only time in our history.
I’m as big a Lebby critic as there is. But those penalties were all good calls. Arkansas just lost all composure in that 2nd half. Still not like it’s anything we really did other than just stand by & benefit from it. But it’s not like the refs were out there doing us any real favors.
