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The fire truck was trying to get to another emergency, the ATC can be heard admitting it was his fault
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Original clip telling the fire truck it was OK to go then trying to back him off

 
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yesrutgers01 said:
Dumb question but how did the driver of the truck not see the plane?
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SO many questions.

Why didn't the driver of the truck listen to the ATC when they were being called off? How did the plane not see the truck or the truck not see the plane? How do any of us land/take off safely looking at that map of planes? It's like plane spaghetti.

Someone sent me this earlier this month. The plane circled in red is the one I was on flying home from the DR. It's nuts! How there are not more plane accidents is truly amazing



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it's a miracle the firefighters weren't killed if this is what the front of the plane looks like

 
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In New York City, the airports, tunnels, and some of the bridges are Port Authority of New York and New Jersey facilities.

While we will respond and operate, they are the lead agency and are in charge. They have rules about what we can and can’t do on THEIR property… as they like to remind us often.
 
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MrsScrew said:
it's a miracle the firefighters weren't killed if this is what the front of the plane looks like
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Yup.

 
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DJ Spanky said:
Yup.

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I’m not sure if you could tell but that’s a PAPD airport crash truck. It’s not one of mine.

We do not have anything like that in our inventory. As I said, the Port Authority is in charge of the airports and some of the bridges. They have all their own stuff.

We go as we always do, but we’re there to assist.

Both airports are in Queens so that falls under the Queens Boro Command. So probably a lot of relocators from the Bronx right over the Throgs Neck and Whitestone Bridge probably came over to help out and relocate to those fire houses. The Dispatchers had a lot of shuffling around to do with everybody else.

I forget the exact numbers but LaGuardia and Kennedy have what’s called crash boxes and normally our boxes are like three numbers and higher, but I think the crash box is for LaGuardia and Kennedy, I could be wrong, are 23 and 25 or something like that. Those are the numbers so when those are transmitted…It’s an automatic second alarm, which is a lot of people but not a ton of people because the Port Authority has their own guys and gals they are working already.

And as you could see in the picture, the NYPD ESU guy… They always know where the camera is. LOL
 
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Knight Shift said:
The investigation will reveal that.

But there will be no shortage of "expert" opinions from non-pilots and non firefighters trying to lay blame on someone all over "social" media.
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I think the person quoted is probably an actual expert, former inspector general of the DOT. Mistakes were clearly made

nypost.com

Exclusive | Deadly LaGuardia Airport crash was avoidable, says expert who blames FAA: ‘Not doing their job’

A pilot and co-pilot were killed when the plane hit a firetruck on the runway.
nypost.com nypost.com
 
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Flight attendant was rejected from the plane strapped in her jump seat (and survived !)with that and the looks of the accident scene with the plane smashed in, can someone explain how that was done with a plane moving less than 25 MPH. It doesn't make sense but of course I'm not expert.
 
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MrsScrew said:
I think the person quoted is probably an actual expert, former inspector general of the DOT. Mistakes were clearly made

nypost.com

Exclusive | Deadly LaGuardia Airport crash was avoidable, says expert who blames FAA: ‘Not doing their job’

A pilot and co-pilot were killed when the plane hit a firetruck on the runway.
nypost.com nypost.com
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Understood, and that person has a good perspective. From the links you posted, the radio traffic was not clear and was confusing. The comments from people likely with no qualifications on the topic under that story are typical under any newspaper story.
 
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MrsScrew said:
I think the person quoted is probably an actual expert, former inspector general of the DOT. Mistakes were clearly made

nypost.com

Exclusive | Deadly LaGuardia Airport crash was avoidable, says expert who blames FAA: ‘Not doing their job’

A pilot and co-pilot were killed when the plane hit a firetruck on the runway.
nypost.com nypost.com
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Sure sounds like it:

“Once that aircraft was cleared to land … It owned that runway,” Mary Schiavo, a former inspector general of the Department of Transportation, told The Post early Monday.
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Ronnie_B said:
Flight attendant was rejected from the plane strapped in her jump seat (and survived !)with that and the looks of the accident scene with the plane smashed in, can someone explain how that was done with a plane moving less than 25 MPH. It doesn't make sense but of course I'm not expert.
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I just heard a few minutes ago that it was traveling at an estimated 93-105 mph unless I heard wrong. That would explain a lot. Visibility probably wasn’t great too. Terrible.
 
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RUPete90 said:
I just heard a few minutes ago that it was traveling at an estimated 93-105 mph unless I heard wrong. That would explain a lot. Visibility probably wasn’t great too. Terrible.
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I just read 104mph....so same ballpark. Even more of a miracle that no one on the fire truck died.
 
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yesrutgers01 said:
Dumb question but how did the driver of the truck not see the plane?
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Plane may have been at an elevation which was out of the drivers view….. until it was too late.

also may have been focused on whatever the other emergency was
 
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RU-05 said:
Plane may have been at an elevation which was out of the drivers view….. until it was too late.

also may have been focused on whatever the other emergency was
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see the video I just posted above....elevation was not the issue., the plane was taxiing in
 
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ClassOf02v.2 said:
I don’t think the crash occurred while taxiing. I think it was on the actual runway during landing.
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taxiing was clearly the wrong word. (I'm one of those non-experts referenced earlier in this thread!)

The point I was trying to make was that the plane was on the ground and elevation was not the issue.
 
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Ronnie_B said:
I wonder if they had their sirens blaring, could be the reason the firefighters never heard the ATC pleading with them to stop.
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The controller told Frontier flight 4195 to "Stop there please" and then started urgently repeating stop, stop, stop, stop, with a quick "truck 1" interspersed. This came through an e-mail, and don't think it adds a whole lot. The controller admitted he messed up.


www.firerescue1.com

'Stop, stop, stop': Audio released in fatal jet, fire truck crash at NYC airport

The pilot and copilot were killed after an Air Canada regional jet struck a fire truck crossing a runway at New York’s LaGuardia Airport
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Shouldn't it be policy for land vehicles to stop and look both ways before crossing a runway in one of the world's busiest airports? I am also interested in the speed of the fire truck, seems kind of fast in this environment.
 
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Pils86 said:
Shouldn't it be policy for land vehicles to stop and look both ways before crossing a runway in one of the world's busiest airports? I am also interested in the speed of the fire truck, seems kind of fast in this environment.
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good point on the stopping. They were actually rushing to an incident with a different plane which is probably why they were driving fast.

I see a root cause analysis coming and a heck of a lot of changes being made.........
 
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That’s tough to watch. Hearts out to all those effected families.

LaGuardia is an airport from a different era. High concentration of airplane traffic for such a small area. Very little margin for error there with surrounding water.

Like someone stated could have been a lot worse.

GO RU
 
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Pils86 said:
Shouldn't it be policy for land vehicles to stop and look both ways before crossing a runway in one of the world's busiest airports? I am also interested in the speed of the fire truck, seems kind of fast in this environment.
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This is exactly what I was thinking! Regardless of fault thoughts and prayers to the families of those who lost their loved ones.
 
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MrsScrew said:
taxiing was clearly the wrong word. (I'm one of those non-experts referenced earlier in this thread!)

The point I was trying to make was that the plane was on the ground and elevation was not the issue.
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Sounds like the plane landed just moments earlier.
 
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Retired711 said:
The odd thing is that his last name is Rousseau -- a French surname (as with the philosopher Jean-Jacques and the artist Henri).
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I got a speeding ticket in New Brunswick the Canadian province. Only province to have two official languages. The cop asked in which official language I would like the ticket after I showed him my New Jersey license. I called the town to pay by credit card but was told I needed to return and pay in person. Never paid that ticket.
 
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