Is ACC Baketball Worse than Football?
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The ACC is a mid major that doesnt know it yet. In a decade theyll meet the same fate as the Pac 12 at the rate things are going.
This keeps getting repeated on this board and then Miami plays for a Natty in football and Duke is a #1 seed (pretty much everywhere). Everyone thought the B12 was dead years ago as well.
Kinda the point. One school league in both sports. One sweet sixteen team means your league isn’t great. They have real financial issues across the board.
Is there a more annoying word then "natty".
Not when you've won a bunch
I used it frequently and would love to fill the trophy case OTB w/multiple natty's
ACC schools are hitting up their students to fund their football programs.
Clemson thunk up a $300 per year student fee mandated toward athletics. Clemson board approved it. Supposedly to improve the student experience, really to fund the football program.
Virginia Tech wants to raise its mandatory student athletic fee to $1,000 per year. The VT board said yes, approving an absurd "invest to win" subsidy plan for athletics, namely James Franklin's football program.
Rutgers pulled the mandatory student athletics fee lever years ago and keeps raising it. The university budgets a 13% increase this year.
In 2026, Rutgers athletics could become the first power conference school to generate more revenue from mandatory student fees than ticket sales.
Clemson thunk up a $300 per year student fee mandated toward athletics. Clemson board approved it. Supposedly to improve the student experience, really to fund the football program.
Virginia Tech wants to raise its mandatory student athletic fee to $1,000 per year. The VT board said yes, approving an absurd "invest to win" subsidy plan for athletics, namely James Franklin's football program.
Rutgers pulled the mandatory student athletics fee lever years ago and keeps raising it. The university budgets a 13% increase this year.
In 2026, Rutgers athletics could become the first power conference school to generate more revenue from mandatory student fees than ticket sales.
Good. Every student directly gets positively impacted by good sports, even if they are theater dorks.
Exactly
PSU was a no name, podunk school in the middle of cow fields until foobtall took it to the next level
I wish Rutgers would impose a 2k per year "Invest to win" fee
Good for Clemson, good for VT
Does that mean every Rutgers student directly gets negatively impacted by bad sports?
My view is the link between big time sports and student outcomes is weak.
Let's look at the facts. Rutgers and Virginia Tech have hit school records in the ratings over the past few years while Penn State and Clemson are below where they were 20 years ago. This has zero to do with athletics.
What drives the trend for most flagship state universities is demographics. South Carolina, with the exception of the coast, is a vast rural slum. Pennsylvania between Philly and Pittsburgh is a northern extension of West Virginia. Not breeding grounds of 2026 college students.
Virginia and New Jersey on the other hand, particularly the northern parts of these states, are overflowing will overachieving immigrant families whose children pour into the flagship state schools, driving up the rankings.
Thanks for the graph, but that has nothing to do with what I said
I referenced PSU becoming a powerhouse in large part b/c of football, and applauded Clemson, and VT, for their financial commitment to athletics
I want Rutgers to be elite in all sports, but especially football, as that's what drives the bus
If it means charging student fees so that happens, I'm all for it
Penn State has been a football powerhouse since the late 1800s. The historic success of the football program has little to do with the academic evolution of the university. Similar situation to many SEC schools.
Rutgers has blasted past Penn State in the academic rankings while losing to Penn State in football every time for decades.
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They've won 2 natties, and got to the elite level, on a consistent basis, once Joe Pa got there in the 60s
Which is when the University started growing by leaps and bounds
You're focusing on academics, I couldn't care less - merely pointing out that FB was the main contributor to them rising academically and expanding the campus / increasing enrollment
The topic here is raising student fees to support athletics - which, as I've said countless times, I'm absolutely in favor of
Great news, JL23!
Rutgers is already doing what you want, raising student fees for athletics. Personally, I'd prefer to see revenue growth come from ticket sales, donations, and sponsorships. Most B1G schools don't require mandatory student fees to fund their athletics departments. The last two football champions, Indiana and Ohio State, somehow managed to succeed in football without any student fees.
Rutgers student fees to athletic department
2015 $10,863,906
2016 $11,421,897
2017 $11,766,728
2018 $11,894,203
2019 $12,161,591
2020 $12,654,098
2021 $10,545,834
2022 $12,835,080
2023 $13,540,176
2024 $14,538,668
2025 $15,835,271
2026 $17,000,000 budget
Rutgers and Penn State universities evolved in similar ways over the past century, a time when Pennsylvania cared about college football and New Jersey didn't. Every flagship state university grew dramatically since the 1960s, which was great for the country, but it wasn't driven by football team results.
Cool, keep raising them
We're nowhere near IU, nor OSU, historically
One has a legendary bball program with a coach who is one of the GOATS
The other has a legendary FB program that anyone not living under a rock for the past 100 years has heard of
One has a coach that runs circles around GS, and got Mark Cuban to write a substantial check after said coach made the playoffs 2 years ago
The other is a top 3 athletic dept. in the country with a 100k seat stadium and deeper pockets than most small countries
Revenue growth can come from a variety of sources, and you mentioned 3 in particular that are viable
They can also come from raising student fees, which, for I believe now the 5th time I'm saying it, I am wholly in favor of
not a word but "rock fight" when describing a basketball game
No. If you are in the B1G it's like making the least amount of money but you are still a member of the best club. It's far better to be Rutgers than it is Lafayette. Or any Acc school. The outlook is terrible for those schools.
It's like they say, the person with the lowest GPA in med school is still a doctor. Better to be in the country club with the worst parking space and worst locker than throwing hissy fits from outside it.
I get that but they still have consistent success with teams like Clemson and FSU winning titles in football (and being in the champ games) over the past 15 years. Basketball with Duke & UNC plus all the Olympic sports. For the B1G, yeah OSU and Michigan winning titles is great, but it's primarily still those 2 at the top. And basketball tends to be a failure as well. B1G has not won since 2000 (with 6 losses in that timeframe with no team making a repeat appearance).
FSU? Neither of those teams have sniffed a championship in this new world. Further, both of those schools sued their conference to get out lol. What’s that tell you? You must not have seen Indiana just won the natty. That’s 3 different B1G teams 3 years in a row. I wouldn’t bet against a fourth. It’s the new world. One where the B1G due to money is the best positioned conference out there.
What’s any of that have to do with the Acc being trash?
Noles did in the early stages of the portal, but got screwed out of the playoffs
Once everyone adjusted though, it's been downhill
You're right thought the league is garbage
Leadership, fanbases, fandom, tv contracts, and especially $$$ compared to the B1G and SEC
Hence the reason FSU went scored earth, sued the conference, won, got 6 years taken off the GOR (paving the way for their impending move out of the ACC), and increased their yearly payouts by 10+ million per year - which, if they ever started winning again, would be much greater due to schools keeping playoff $$ and not sharing w/conference members
