After this weekend, if any of you still think our baseball…..
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So what? Are you saying Big 19 schools should drop wrestling? Just noticed the typo & not fixing it. 19 is more accurate than 10 anyway.
That's a great opening to foster goodwill, candor and respect. It's my go to when I want a serious discussion only on merit.
No one is debating that from what I can tell. But if you were in town this weekend, the bars and restaurants were slammed, it was great for Starkville.
All that said, football and basketball need to start winning games. They are depressing sports for MSU right now. Our fans deserve better.
And basketball is losing money before you even talk about NIL we have poured into it.
Basketball averaged 7,953 per game this season vs the 11,265 for baseball (so far) and that's with only 1 SEC series in baseball. We've still got 4 more SEC series here (TN, GA, LSU, and Auburn)
Did that 7,953 pay the Hump light bill and all the parking attendants, outside? Did 7,953 cover Chris Jans ($4.3 million) salary this season? There was no post season either for basketball. There were games in Nov and Dec where the actual attendance was in the hundreds. Maybe we should cancel basketball.........
Look at me. Finally in the 1%.
Hey, man... uh... just so you know.. if you'll make me a moderator, I'll IP ban him for life right now and publicly admit to doing it...
Football ONLY has the SEC and TV, nothing its done on its own. If we were to base our football program on winning games, attendance, interest in the program and revenue from the handfull of crowds we've actually generated since Leach, it would be in terrible shape. Don't act like we've are a blue blood rolling in the cash having winning seasons and going to bowl games, . We are a bottom feeding catfish sucking leftovers from the big fish eating above us.
You proud of our record since Leach, walk around w/ your chest poked out and feeling good on Monday mornings? Nah, I didn't think so. There are over 40,000 baseball fans walking around w/ their chests out and having a good Monday morning at work. How long since football beat anybody w/ a pulse and had that many fans proud on a Monday morning?
Baseball has earned their respect back, football hasn't had respect in years.
You proud of our record since Leach, walk around w/ your chest poked out and feeling good on Monday mornings? Nah, I didn't think so. There are over 40,000 baseball fans walking around w/ their chests out and having a good Monday morning at work. How long since football beat anybody w/ a pulse and had that many fans proud on a Monday morning?
Baseball has earned their respect back, football hasn't had respect in years.
Dude... he's already TOLD you... those are, in fact, not 40,000 UnIQuE chests poked out!!1!
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Not really. What did it draw? 10 million? That's 10x of the draw of an entire Ohio State football season. Shut that down too?
That post would get you banned permanently in a lot of places. The reason has nothing to do with sports.
You enjoy this ****, you know you do.
I'm working my azz off over here in the corner of the thread trying to get it locked and you just keep engaging with the troll under the bridge.
Nice reveal on the text message, but you know he'll act like you faked it, or ignore it, or gaslight you some other way.
It's what trolls do.
Admitting your problem is the first step to healing...
Excuse me, I gotta go do a YouTube search on "Candace Macron Putin"
Yes we deserve better. But football fixes football first. Then football fixes everything else. That’s the math. Even if we miss-allocate even a piece of baseball’s subsidy toward making football stronger, the multiplier effect across the whole department and Starkville would be 10 times bigger than three big baseball crowds. Otherwise you just keep polishing the turd instead of maintaining and maintenancing the tolilet.
Our men’s basketball breaks even or runs a small surplus, even without postseason. So no, we shouldn’t “cancel basketball.”- It doesn’t lose almost 5 million dollars like baseball does.
Would love to see the revenue breakdown for both the school and the city—specifically the difference between a football weekend and a baseball weekend. Obviously, baseball draws fewer per game, but over a full weekend, the total attendance probably isn’t that far off.
Money tends to flow a lot more freely after a win than a loss. It’d be interesting to see what kind of economic impact that has on Starkville across an entire winning weekend and run out over the course of the season.
More like 14,000 people with 3 different hotdog receipts, puffing their chests. But if the same 14,000 show up to work again tomorrow and Wednesday puffing their chests- then that is becomes 40,000 puffed chests over three days.
This is where you go wrong.
Allocating baseball's budget to football does nothing. At least under this current administration and coaching regime. And most likely anytime, unless we get serious about how to get the most out of the football program. Dumping money into it alone is not the answer, as we see now.
There are other things that aren't so measurable.......like student recruiting, and alumni re-engagement. Maybe not some huge influx from big major cities, but it certainly helps in West/Central TN and North Alabama, i.e. relatively drivable distances, in areas where there is growth.
Our football program simply does not have that power. People may choose us because we are 'SEC', but we're never going to be able to pull off a run capable of truly attracting people. Especially not consistently. We just do not have the culture.
14,000+ buying $22 tickets and $12 ea for beers, 10 year commitment on the chairback seats will be going up next time too, $4,200/per year for each of 80+ lounges plus tickets for all occupants and its gone up every year for the last 5 years, waiting list for more chairbacks and general admission seating.
You got any waiting list for for football tickets? No, you don't. This past season they were charging $48 for 4 tickets (not each, TOTAL) and a parking pass to try to get rid of them because nobody wanted them. So, $22 standing room only baseball tickets where you don't even have a place to sit OR $12 reserved seats in Davis Wade for football. You've even got people selling what should be prime football seating to fans of other teams because our fans don't want them either. Does that make me proud? Of football hell no, but its the state of football now. But for baseball damn right it does.
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Baseball hasn’t made money since 2010…16 years. All that you laid out is well and good but it still work move the needle and we won’t turn a profit just like the other schools in the conference. Baseball isn’t a Rev producing sport
Investing more money in the Lebby/Arnett braintrust
You said all that, and it still equals to almost $5 Million in deficit for baseball compared to football clearing $11 Million in profit.
I don't believe once that I said anything about baseball making money. I'm just sick of all of you that sit there and try to sh-it on it because you don't like it and think other shouldn't and you think baseball is why football SUCKS. There are a LOT of fans out there that would not give anything to the university if it weren't for baseball whether it be for sports or academics. Those that sit and imply that baseball needs to be dismantled to save football are dumba-sses because as others have said, the money that baseball uses is a drop in the bucket for what football needs. If football wants to draw crowds and make money from its own prosperity and increase interest and donations, its time for football to get up off its azz and make something of itself because currently it is embarrassing itself. Other than being in the right place at the right time when the SEC was formed, its never done much of anything sans the Mullen years but wait for the yearly check to come in the mail from the SEC/ESPN.
And this is where you go wrong and miss the forest for the trees:
Baseball’s $4.2 million deficit isn’t “allocation”- it’s a straight up annual loss that has to be covered by football’s profit and other sources. That almost $5M million isn’t “baseball’s budget” sitting in a separate piggy bank waiting to be moved- It’s a hole that’s already being filled by football every single year. Redirecting even a piece of that subsidy doesn’t mean “dumping more money into football”- It means stopping the bleed so football’s actual profit can go further. If you want to keep polishing the baseball turd because of tradtion or because you personally love baseball that’s one thing if admitted- But don’t pretend that $5M loss isn’t coming straight out of football’s pocket. And if you don’t like the coaching regime, fine, you could use their money I’m talking about to go find better ones.
That 5M, while likely greatly exaggerated (especially on a yearly level) would do next to nothing.
Not to mention most of baseball expenses are born by the donors anyway.
You're simply not correct here.
Men’s basketball isn’t “losing money the last 2 years” in the same catastrophic way baseball is. It’s treading water or slightly negative- Near break even or tiny loss. It’s not a structural sinkhole like baseball.
Yeah, I know. It’s just that people treat basketball like it’s closer to FB. But if you start adding up NIL money and rev share the sports are spending, basketball is probably not gonna look good at all.
The deficit baseball in FY2025 is not exaggerated- it’s literally from the official NCAA financial report that MSU submits every year- Look it up your self it’s easily accessible- but I’d assume you already know that and are merely acting oblivious.
Donors aren’t quietly paying baseball’s almost $5M million loss every year like a secret slush fund. That hole is filled by football’s surplus and its revenue.
Redirecting just half of baseball’s deficit back to football would do more than you’re imagining- and it would compound every year. Virgina decided to do this very thing- and immediately went 11-3 after having losing seasons the three previous years. And their baseball team is still good.
Nah…not after NIL and Rev share are accounted for. But that’s not really my point
Exactly. And if they’d have reinvested in him and the football program with more of that money used he wouldn’t have left.
So give basketball coaches 3 losing seasons and one 500 season.
Give football coaches 1!!
It’s way easier to turn basketball around than football but I wouldn’t expect you to be able to use logic and reasoning.
No they shouldn't but if someone from Iowa State came up and started bragging about their wrestling team's success, no one would know what they were talking about or give a ****.
No because you excluding the extra 200 million that are viewing the games on TV. No one is watching college baseball on TV- No one. That's why they dont have a big TV deal.
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