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Bueller said:
I've never seen another game played the same day so not sure what the fuss is about. Political tinsel probably.
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Reading the article before posting is usually very helpful in understanding what the fuss is about

The article states there is talk that CFP expansion could move some playoff games a week earlier....which would interfere with the Army Navy Game.
 
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Bueller said:
I've never seen another game played the same day so not sure what the fuss is about. Political tinsel probably.
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The fuss is , there was a feeling the Army Navy game being a stand alone game might be in jeopardy with the College Football Playoff expansion , though historicity no other games have been played on the same day since the game day was moved to the second week in November in 2009 to make sure Conference Championship games weren't played the same day
Before that the Army Navy game was played on the first Saturday in November and most Conferences planned to play their conference championship game on the first Saturday in November , so the Army Navy date was changed so no other football game would be played when they played .
Trump just made sure something like what might have happened, with conference championship games being played the same day wasn't something that would happen with college playoff games.
I think an understanding would do just as well, but this makes it official
 
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MrsScrew said:
Reading the article before posting is usually very helpful in understanding what the fuss is about

The article states there is talk that CFP expansion could move some playoff games a week earlier....which would interfere with the Army Navy Game.
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I read about it last January when it was proposed. Wasn't convinced it wasn't just a bauble back then either . Congress also passed a resolution declaring Army v Navy " America's game." Resolution had no legal structure and was also a bauble

www.foxnews.com

Trump vows to protect Army-Navy game from 'Big TV Money' interference with executive order

President Donald Trump plans to sign an executive order protecting the Army-Navy game's traditional December broadcast slot from College Football Playoff expansion.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
 
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Bueller said:
I read about it last January when it was proposed. Wasn't convinced it wasn't just a bauble back then either . Congress also passed a resolution declaring Army v Navy " America's game." Resolution had no legal structure and was also a bauble

www.foxnews.com

Trump vows to protect Army-Navy game from 'Big TV Money' interference with executive order

President Donald Trump plans to sign an executive order protecting the Army-Navy game's traditional December broadcast slot from College Football Playoff expansion.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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Nice try, we know what it's about. The hate runs deep.
 
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I doubt that this order could possibly be enforceable in court. That said, I also doubt that either Disney/ESPN or the NCAA would challenge it. The optics would suck. Pissing off Brendan Carr (FCC Chair) would also suck.
 
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Bueller said:
Trump? I voted for him. I'm just sick of throw away EOs
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Fair point. I'm also sick of his run on news conferences when most asking questions are only looking for the gotcha answer and would gladly see him jailed. After 4 years of Biden walking away from questions they should be thanking their lucky stars he gives them something to write about.
 
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Bueller said:
I've never seen another game played the same day so not sure what the fuss is about. Political tinsel probably.
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Growing up I never thought there'd be a 12 team playoff or that college amateur athletes would become paid professionals who are free agents every year. Point is, things don't stay the same, who's to say the playoffs don't expand again and scheduling doesn't change?
 
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Doctor Worm said:
I doubt that this order could possibly be enforceable in court. That said, I also doubt that either Disney/ESPN or the NCAA would challenge it. The optics would suck. Pissing off Brendan Carr (FCC Chair) would also suck.
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Agree - this is more a show of support than anything. No one will screw with that game. Now, this is probably a separate discussion, but please don’t expand. Some of these early round games suck anyway and wouldn’t siphon attention from Army-Navy.
 
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RUPete90 said:
Agree - this is more a show of support than anything. No one will screw with that game. Now, this is probably a separate discussion, but please don’t expand. Some of these early round games suck anyway and wouldn’t siphon attention from Army-Navy.
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A quick google found some problems that might arise if someone felt Trump's EO was something they didn't like
>Enforceability Concerns: Many legal scholars note that executive orders are directives for federal agencies and may not have the legal authority to bind private entities like the NCAA or independent television networks
Constitutional Issues: Media law experts have questioned the order's legality under the First Amendment, which generally protects the rights of networks to determine their own broadcast schedules
Restraint of Trade: Critics argue that creating "artificial barriers" to competition for viewers contradicts meritocratic principles and may violate antitrust concepts by restricting other teams and networks from competing in a valuable time slot.<

But as it was pointed out in this thread Trump knew it might not be enforceable when he announced the EO
Also pointed out in this thread the FCC Chairman might take offense if challenged , not to mention pissing Trump off.
As it stands, in my opinion, the Army-Navy game should be treated special and be a stand alone game without competition from any other football game the day it's played.
 
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MADHAT1 said:
A quick google found some problems that might arise if someone felt Trump's EO was something they didn't like
>Enforceability Concerns: Many legal scholars note that executive orders are directives for federal agencies and may not have the legal authority to bind private entities like the NCAA or independent television networks
Constitutional Issues: Media law experts have questioned the order's legality under the First Amendment, which generally protects the rights of networks to determine their own broadcast schedules
Restraint of Trade: Critics argue that creating "artificial barriers" to competition for viewers contradicts meritocratic principles and may violate antitrust concepts by restricting other teams and networks from competing in a valuable time slot.<

But as it was pointed out in this thread Trump knew it might not be enforceable when he announced the EO
Also pointed out in this thread the FCC Chairman might take offense if challenged , not to mention pissing Trump off.
As it stands, in my opinion, the Army-Navy game should be treated special and be a stand alone game without competition from any other football game the day it's played.
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So what about Air Force? Shouldn't they get similar consideration?
 
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RU#1fan said:
Try ? The worst POTUS in our country’s history. Will take 10 years to recover.
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What you think about Trump doesn't matter, this is about the Army Navy game not political agenda you or I prefer
If you think the EO was a bad move, that's what you should be saying .
I think it is unenforceable, but something that everyone agrees is something they won't complain about
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What legal authority does the President have to order when football games are played?
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None, but he knows no one will contest it.
 
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Irrelevant. Normally doesn’t happen anyway, and like most of his orders carries no real authority. There were 9 games the previous week that impact bowl determines. Weather rescheduling or other issues might make it unavoidable.
 
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Doctor Worm said:
So what about Air Force? Shouldn't they get similar consideration?
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The Army-Navy game predates the airplane. Air Force Academy was late to the game.

I've been to a few Air Force games. The highlight is a small airshow before each game. The students are required to attend games and the stadium is 1.5 miles from campus so students with pickup trucks drive other students to games in back of the trucks. Don't see that at Rutgers. Maybe free parking for pickups driven by students can be added to the Rutgers game day experience.
 
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The issue is that because of the expanded playoff, which everyone complains needs to end earlier, whether 12 or 16, in order to end earlier everything needs to shift.

Its never been about encroaching on the Army Navy TV window. its about the date and

***** What happens if Army or Navy are in the CFP *****

So we have to accept and be happy with one of the following
1) CFP ending mid-late January
2) Army Navy not being able to be in the CFP
3) Army Navy being earlier in the year, especially if the whole calendar shifts to accommodate #1
4) Go to only 8 team CFP which i know some fans would like, but no university would

The whole reason why the Army Navy comes up is to address how do those teams participate in the CFP if they are the G6 representative.
They have even suggested "Maybe they get a pass into the top8. Which is ridiculous, but personally i would be ok with, if it has minimal impact on the Army-Navy game.

So yes, a protection without a predator. But who cares, it doesn't change the fact that we have to be ok and not complain about #1 #2 or #3

To me, its either move the entire calendar, hence moving the the Army Navy game to another Saturday where it will not be impacted OR stop bitching about it ending in January and the transfer portal opening while schools are still playing in the CFP etc. And Yes, Army Navy would likely have to agree to what day to move it to, because it also affects the American Championship game which Conference championship games might go away as a result.

I know the Army coach has no sway IMO, but he noted he was in favor of moving it.
Navy Athletic Director said that he would prefer not to move because of the games Revenue Potential.
So it is really all about money. And if they are planning on Expanding the CFP, Why not give the Army Navy Free Advertising as part of the CFP, or 2x payouts to them so that they would get more than G6 teams.

Definitely seems a nothing burger that ironically money can handle, when at the end of the day, everyone would want Army Navy to be part of the CFP if they were the representative, everyone wants more money, and everyone wants the CFP to end earlier. A nothing burger that needs to ensure that everyone's hands are being greased.
 
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If MLB plays on Memorial Day I don’t see what the big deal is about other college teams playing football on the same day as the Army-Navy game.
 
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I can't believe I'm saying this but Stephen A. Smith is right. Who the f *** does Cheetolini think he is ?
Listen, I love the Army-Navy game....mostly because of the intensity with which they play. I've actually been to one years back when they played the game at the Meadowlands. Our group had a great experience, from watching the cadets march in to seeing paratroopers deliver the game ball through a cloud-filled sky to... again... the intensity with which they played. A great experience.
And Btw one of the reasons I watch the game every year is because it's the only game on that weekend. But if someone is telling me i gotta watch the friggin game I'll tune in to something else. Why do people put up with that unamerican, orange-faced fat clown ? Nevermind...I know the reason.
 
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Doctor Worm said:
So what about Air Force? Shouldn't they get similar consideration?
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If the Coast Guard Academy ever fields a FBS football program I'd love to see those programs play in a double header when Army & Navy play
Or have thew Marines branch off from the Navy , like the Air Force in did from Army, then starting their own Militarily Academy and have a FBS program play AF right after the Army-Navy game is over.
I feel this EO is more about showing respect to the players and Military Academies than forcing other college games to keep from playing the same day..
Some things should be above political agendas and for me the Army Navy game EO is a football issue .
I would love to see Air Force get the same type of respect, but until the Coast Guard or the Marines field their own FBS program, AF football will not have a chance to be treated the same
 
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A few observations:

1) The exclusive window was established in 2009. The prior year, the game was up against the ACC Championship game, among others. So if the exclusive window needed to protect the game's "sacred" status, as Trump has stated, we had all been living in sin for quite a while.

2) To my knowledge, no one, not even the most ardent Trump supporter, has argued that the Executive Order has any legitimacy in law. Rather, it is the naked application of power. Maybe you think that's a good thing, and if so that's fine. But let's be intellectually honest about it.

3) The rights to the game are held by CBS, which is owned by the Ellison family, a longtime major Trump donor and ally. I am not saying that this has anything to do with anything, because I don't know that. But given Trump's undeniable transactional nature, I think I can be forgiven if the thought has crossed my mind. Which it has.
 
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Army and Navy football openly admit to elitism concerning AF football. Army and Navy first played in 1890 and AF had its first season in 1955. Army Air Forces did all the heavy bombing in WWII (including nuke) and AF was the breakaway. Navy had the carrier planes. Army and Navy like each other (they say) and AF teams not so much
 
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Kbe4 said:
I can't believe I'm saying this but Stephen A. Smith is right. Who the f *** does Cheetolini think he is ?
Listen, I love the Army-Navy game....mostly because of the intensity with which they play. I've actually been to one years back when they played the game at the Meadowlands. Our group had a great experience, from watching the cadets march in to seeing paratroopers deliver the game ball through a cloud-filled sky to... again... the intensity with which they played. A great experience.
And Btw one of the reasons I watch the game every year is because it's the only game on that weekend. But if someone is telling me i gotta watch the friggin game I'll tune in to something else. Why do people put up with that unamerican, orange-faced fat clown ? Nevermind...I know the reason.
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classic if Trump said it i have to disagree
 
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RU848789 said:
That would be none, but this POTUS doesn't seem to think the rule of law applies to him, so no surprise he'd waste his and everyone else's time with this silly stunt. And I love the Army-Navy game, but don't need to be told to watch it.
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A: It doesnt take up anyone's time
B: He's not saying you have to watch it.
 
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RU848789 said:
That would be none, but this POTUS doesn't seem to think the rule of law applies to him, so no surprise he'd waste his and everyone else's time with this silly stunt. And I love the Army-Navy game, but don't need to be told to watch it.
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No one is forcing you to watch it. Go play frisbee golf in your jorts like you always do.
 
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Doctor Worm said:
A few observations:

1) The exclusive window was established in 2009. The prior year, the game was up against the ACC Championship game, among others. So if the exclusive window needed to protect the game's "sacred" status, as Trump has stated, we had all been living in sin for quite a while.

2) To my knowledge, no one, not even the most ardent Trump supporter, has argued that the Executive Order has any legitimacy in law. Rather, it is the naked application of power. Maybe you think that's a good thing, and if so that's fine. But let's be intellectually honest about it.

3) The rights to the game are held by CBS, which is owned by the Ellison family, a longtime major Trump donor and ally. I am not saying that this has anything to do with anything, because I don't know that. But given Trump's undeniable transactional nature, I think I can be forgiven if the thought has crossed my mind. Which it has.
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#3 makes a good point
#1 has merit >
On December 6, 2008, several key college football games were played, featuring conference championships and rivalry matchups. Highlighted by
Florida's 31-20 win over Alabama in the SEC Championship and Oklahoma's 62-21 victory over Missouri in the Big 12 Championship, the day also included Navy shutting out Army 34-0<
Those games took away some Army Navy game interest and that's why in 2009 the Army Navy game was made a stand alone game.. Moving it from the first Saturday in December to the second.
From 2009 to the present all College Football programs and conferences honored the Army Navy game by not scheduling any games when Army Navy played.
The EO sounded great, but really wasn't needed , seeing how the Army Navy game was made special by every Conference and program in 2009.
I'm not complaining, but the EO wasn't necessary and because Trump admitted it probably wasn't enforceable , so Trump's EO might be said to be more style than substance.
Even though, it was something to mark the Army Navy game as a special event not to be messed with
 
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MADHAT1 said:
What you think about Trump doesn't matter, this is about the Army Navy game not political agenda you or I prefer
If you think the EO was a bad move, that's what you should be saying .
I think it is unenforceable, but something that everyone agrees is something they won't complain about

None, but he knows no one will contest it.
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Grifter-in-Chief is all you need to know.
 
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