Why can players lift their pivot foot and still take steps now?

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eyesofhawk

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Depends what type of move you're talking about.

In general, the Euro-steps and step-back and slide-step 3's from the NBA, have trickled into the college game, Fortunately they aren't allowed as much as in the NBA.

If you're referring to the step-through/up-and-under, it's a legal move. The interpretation is: the step out of the pivot is a legal second step, as it occurs on a scoring move towards the basket. Sage used one last night. And Jeff Green stepped-through for a game winner in the tournament for Goergetown years ago.

This move has been used in the women's game for decades. For whatever reason, the men have mostly been doing it only for a couple years. Probably because the "get away with what you can" mentality, when it comes to traveling, has trickled into college. Ironic that the step-through has been legal all along
 
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It's at the level of the NBA traveling from 20 years ago.

A lot of catching, hopping to set your feet, then shoot a 3 too.
 
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Depends what type of move you're talking about.

In general, the Euro-steps and step-back and slide-step 3's from the NBA, have trickled into the college game, Fortunately they aren't allowed as much as in the NBA.

If you're referring to the step-through/up-and-under, it's a legal move. The interpretation is: the step out of the pivot is a legal second step, as it occurs on a scoring move towards the basket. Sage used one last night. And Jeff Green stepped-through for a game winner in the tournament for Goergetown years ago.

This move has been used in the women's game for decades. For whatever reason, the men have mostly been doing it only for a couple years. Probably because the "get away with what you can" mentality, when it comes to traveling, has trickled into college. Ironic that the step-through has been legal all along
The step and jump step have been in use for a long time where a player when taking their last dribble is say planting one foot after that last dribble then they keep their momentum into a full jump landing on both feet but then they can go into the air as long at they shoot or pass.

It is a great move that takes a player a long ways on the court past defenders.

But we do see a lot of traveling, switching and sliding of pivot feet that players get away with
 
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The step and jump step have been in use for a long time where a player when taking their last dribble is say planting one foot after that last dribble then they keep their momentum into a full jump landing on both feet but then they can go into the air as long at they shoot or pass.

It is a great move that takes a player a long ways on the court past defenders.

But we do see a lot of traveling, switching and sliding of pivot feet that players get away with
What you're describing is not a legal play in college ball.

The NBA uses a "gather step" interpretation, which basically allows a lot of traveling, including the play you've described.

It does happen some in college. But it's not supposed to be allowed, as there is no gather step allowed in college ball
 

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If you dont have possession of the ball before you are on the floor it isnt travelling
Careful. Herk gets a little sensitive about this stuff, as he's taking to his grave the belief that the Iowa/LSU women's championship game was fixed 🤣 🤣 🤣
 

eyesofhawk

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And you can be called out of bounds without actually being out of bounds.
Refs suck at every level.
No. The officiating in this tournament is very high level.

Guys will miss a call. But are spot on for almost all of 40 minutes of action. It happens. It's part of the game.

Luckily for Iowa, the phantom out of bounds was able to get reversed
 
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The problem is this, IMHO: There is no consistency. They'll call traveling on somebody 40 feet from the basket for a slight shuffle that is meaningless, and then they'll let a guy run two or three steps on a fast break without ever putting the ball on the floor. And all that BS that goes on around the basket where it actually matters . . . wow. It's often just outta control.

And they might as well erase the 3 seconds in the lane "rule."

Basketball has a lot of problems, but enforcing the rules as written would solve the vast majority of them. But if you're not going to enforce the rules, then erase them so everybody knows what the reality is.
 

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Depends what type of move you're talking about.

In general, the Euro-steps and step-back and slide-step 3's from the NBA, have trickled into the college game, Fortunately they aren't allowed as much as in the NBA.

If you're referring to the step-through/up-and-under, it's a legal move. The interpretation is: the step out of the pivot is a legal second step, as it occurs on a scoring move towards the basket. Sage used one last night. And Jeff Green stepped-through for a game winner in the tournament for Goergetown years ago.

This move has been used in the women's game for decades. For whatever reason, the men have mostly been doing it only for a couple years. Probably because the "get away with what you can" mentality, when it comes to traveling, has trickled into college. Ironic that the step-through has been legal all along
My sister played 6v6 back in the day (which allowed this move) & growing up we would argue about this every time we played.
 
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Miami just got away with a blatant travel and maybe a 4 point swing vs. Purdue...
 

LetsGoHawks83

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Miami just got away with a blatant travel and maybe a 4 point swing vs. Purdue...

Smith for Purdue after a steal did a pretty sweet fast feet before he started dribbling. I'd have to watch in slow motion, but I'm guessing 5 steps...

But sure... Play on
 

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No. The officiating in this tournament is very high level.

Guys will miss a call. But are spot on for almost all of 40 minutes of action. It happens. It's part of the game.

Luckily for Iowa, the phantom out of bounds was able to get reversed

I know they changed the rule, but I swear that the refs have decided that palming doesn't exist anymore. I would guess that at least a quarter of the great moves raved about by the commentators are still palming even under the current rule.
 

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I know they changed the rule, but I swear that the refs have decided that palming doesn't exist anymore. I would guess that at least a quarter of the great moves raved about by the commentators are still palming even under the current rule.
Or carrying where they swing the ball to the other hand and its up to the side for a couple of counts and then they pound it back to the floor....