Kugel last night, Fort this afternoon
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Yeah and kugel and Jans personality clash was like chocolate with tuna
We wouldn’t even be in the tournament if we added him. He has averaged 7 minutes and 2 pts per game in conference for them.
If every player on the court averaged those numbers, we’d only score 93/game.
Letting Kugel go so easily was the dumbest, most short-sighted thing we did in the offseason. Without him we didn't have a guy over 6' tall who can put the ball in the basket. No, Epps isn't 6'2.
And I really don't care if Kugel doesn't shoot it well every night. He shot it well more often and more consistently than anyone we have outside of Hubbard. And he could also guard big guards. We were giving up 5+ inches at both guard positions many nights this season.
But I know a lot of you jackholes were happy to see him go.
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Kugel shot 38.7% from three this year. That would have been second on our team, and much closer to first place than third.
There are an astonishing number of people that think Nwoko, Kugel, and Murphy were somehow all addition by subtraction…..for a team that won 5 conference games.
All three made huge leaps this year. Even if they got zero pay raise, they all made great decisions to leave, actually. And their success elsewhere is a pretty big indictment on Jans’ ability to navigate the current climate of NCAA basketball.
He shot 33.9% in three SEC seasons combined, shot about that same % at MSU in 1 year. BPM of +4.4 his one year at MSU.
Jayden Epps shot 30.6% from perimeter this season. BPM of +0.9.
It was an absolutely massive downgrade…on both ends of the floor. No two ways about it.
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They made these "leaps" under a different coaching staff is the indictment on Jans. He can coach talent (Hubbard) but not much else in my opinion. If not for Hubbard going stupid a few times this year what else is there to write home about for Jan's?
I’m just sick of seeing guys who played for us playing in march while we sit at home. We can say they weren’t that good, but they seemed to be able to contribute to a tourney team.
He played in the Big12 which is very comparable to the SEC in basketball. Kugels stats are roughly the same as last year but he has played more minutes there so there’s an untick in his PPG. He went from about 9 ppg to 14 ppg with minimal improvement on shooting.
Nwoko took the biggest jump. He went from 6 ppg to 13 ppg and played more minutes.
Murphy started all season but really didn’t improve anything other than his three point shooting. He actually averaged less than he did here scoring.
Yes and still would have been completely irrelevant. He's a dime a dozen player. Problem is we are spending pennies.
Its less about his ability to coach and more about his style becoming obsolete. The relentless defense-first hardass approach just doesn’t work in the portal / NIL era.
Murphy substantially improved his FT% and cut his turnovers by 50% as well. And saying he improved his 3pt % is an understatement. He was 20% from there for 3 years at MSU…..shot way the 17 up to 32% this season. He was over +9 BPM this season….easily was Auburn’s 2nd best player….maybe even their best when you look at the total picture.
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I’m absolutely certain we could afford a tourney team. I just don’t trust Jans to deploy our resources to make that happen.
He’d be the 2nd most relevant offensive player we had, if just he returned out of those three. Had all three come back, we’d have been a borderline Top 10 squad.
But you’re right. Spending pennies is the problem. And I don’t think Jans could have gotten them to their ceiling even if we were spending dimes.
He took better quality shots in an actual offense. Didn’t really translate to any more scoring.
Exactly. Same for Nwoko and Kugel….but Murphy was the best of those 3 to start with. But all three became way better, more productive players. And all 3 were better, more productive players even last year than their replacements were this year. It’s very confusing that more effort wasn’t made to retain at least one or two of them.
If everyone you meet all day is an *******, you are the problem
If every transfer you bring in doesn't work out....
If every transfer you bring in doesn't work out....
Of course we could afford a tourney team.
But the quandry for schools like MSU….we could try to put together a potential Sweet 16 caliber basketball team, but we’d have to let football die on the vine. Or, we could put together a football program with a ceiling of probably 7-5, but then basketball would die on the vine.
But the 3rd option is the absolute worst. We try to cut the baby in half, and thread the needle to get both sports to where they could maybe sneak into the postseason in an extreme best case scenario. That kills both of them, and destroys fan interest in everything except baseball. That’s what we’re doing now.
Football vs. basketball. Big donors need to pick one and say to hell with the other. That’s the unfortunate reality we face….until somebody shíts out a whole lot more millionaire and billionaire MSU alums.
He would have fit right in on this year’s roster.
So Florida, MSU and CF. Sure has started a lot of P4 games not to be a P4 player.