So on our roster, WHO is eligible to return next season? I believe Clark, Hines, Dar, Godswill and Feltson. Anybody else?
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Also - do we know if anyone on staff is scouting / recruiting Europe? I’m kinda perplexed we can’t find a solid player who can shoot the ball from Europe / Australia that gets paid a nice salary and close proximity to NYC. I guess i’m overestimating it but I think that would be a legit recruiting plus for guys who have never lived state side.
It’s only an appreciable bump if it’s Greater increase than what the rest of the conference does.
Otherwise it has us swimming in quick sand.
If you start out behind…and then only increase by the same on average with everyone else…you’ve not made up any ground
Simple question. How can we come close to matching the top 6-7 teams in the league re NIL when we have the worst giving rate in the conference.
I was told we have about 100,000 alums or so. Certainly not a great number, but year after year the same people keep digging while others either don't care or just bitc* about the program.
I was told we have about 100,000 alums or so. Certainly not a great number, but year after year the same people keep digging while others either don't care or just bitc* about the program.
Our giving sucks - no question about it. But we went to the well and raised $25M for a $55M Practice Facility. That proves the school and it's donors can partner to raise money when needed. There's nothing more important than Rev/NIL right now.
The school has the ability to use discretionary funds and that's where the xtra money should come from if we can't raise it. But a strong effort needs to be made to raise amap.
I've said this many times over the last few years but the University needs to get honest with its alumns/donors. Start by saying where we are in Rev Share/NIL and where the rest of the league is. If we are at 6, league average is 8 and will likely grow to 10 this year. We need to raise $4 Million to be average.
Is that something that the alums/donors want or is it better to spend the 6 we have and see what happens? If we want to go for it, the school should say they will front the $4M but expect donors to reimburse at least half of that.
Launch a campaign to raise the $2M. When the Portal closes and we have our team, give Sha a vacation, then send him around the country to meet with individual big money donors and tell them why he needs the extra $4M and the difference it would make on the success of the team.
The whales move the needle without a doubt. Without them you can't compete. But we aren't trying to raise a half-billion so $5k is nothing to sneeze at. Those guys can make a difference if you have the whales in place.
200 of the $5k guys is a Million which can make quite a difference when your budget is $6M. With an extra $1M could we have signed a legit forward? Say someone like a Trey Carroll or Michael Ajayi or Chris Bell instead of Elijah Fisher? Or could we have closed the deal with Barrington Hargress instead of Mike Williams at SG?
What you said about most of us being considered nickel and dimers is on the money. Remember when NIL was young and the school only solicited large donors through Hall Ball Events? lol. Mike Walsh had to beg them to let him solicit smaller donations for them.
We gotta adapt. Sha’s system required the funds to pay 9 guys. Throw in a good amount of zone to give the guys a little breather while they’re on the court and you won’t need as much depth.
Empty the bank on retention for Clark and Hines. Two proven good BE players at PG and C with upside from growth + continuity. You have to start there. Sooner the better. My guess is that will cost us $4M alone.
Piratz the problem is those two might not be happy to be paid big bucks and surrounded by a bunch of no name lower NIL players that are not up to winning and bringing the school to the dance. They both may opt to go elewhere to a team loaded with talent besides them that can get to the big dance. There is a very real danger in looking at it as simply a money issue for these kids. I would think both kids want to be part of a winning program that can get to the big dance. Money yes of course is at the top but also success on the court.
Retention is important, but I’m not spending 4M on 2 decent/good players. Only one of those players has upside.
Keep in mind that the money raised for the Practice Facility (and any major capital campaign) is usually done thru pledges (at least the larger donations) which can be collected over a period of years, not usually 5 or more. so, this isn't always "instant cash", it is a cash flow stream over the next few years. just a note.
The thing is, you’re not getting anywhere near 200 people to pony up $5,000 for something that is still poorly understood, badly communicated, and outside of their usual philanthropic habits. And that says nothing of the subject‘s divisiveness. Just see this board for how many people refuse to contribute to pay-for-play on principle alone. And even if Seton Hall (and this applies to any school) miraculously manages to achieve this, it’s still just a million dollars — not insignificant at all, but doesn’t lift us into another level altogether.
Im not trying to be all doom and gloom, but having worked hand in hand with development functions of higher ed for so many years, I‘m just aware of the dynamics around it.
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I don't think the difference between us achieving success vs. not is having to pay those 9th and 10th players off the bench. And your scheme doesn't work anyway because one injury and your toast. Look at Nova after Hodge went down.
We finally have some depth and people want to go back to stretching players and being paper thin on depth. No thanks.
Seton Hall is not getting better players than them at their positions. And those positions are expensive.
You may very well be right, but I think we were down 15 or close to it almost every big east game because we couldn't run the press for 40 minutes because we can't afford 9 good players. The depth wasn't so great, we wouldn't have been down big so much if it was.
We were down because we can't shoot the basketball and our coach can't design offense. The solution isn't to be shorthanded. We have fund this year apparently and we have those funds in time to recruit new players unlike last year, so let's see what Sha can do. If he needs to make any adjustments, it's with the offense and recruiting shooters.
Yup but I'm hoping with money money to fewer players buys a better shooter or 2.
If we can't get a shooter with 8 mil to play with, then no mid majors should be hitting any shots in this tournament. What NIL does the carrot top on Furman make? He was lights out.
Exactly and I would much rather pay for a known quantity, than an unknown quantity.
We know these guys can play for Sha, and that’s a big advantage.
You sure he needs to announce it? I think it's a given now all these kids are evaluating offers all the time.
I agree with Hines. They can find a better pg, imo. Probably for cheaper too
A better point guard than Clark for less than $700k. What universe do you live in?
I do think you can find one for about 700k, but I was referring to Piratz post where he said 4million for Clark and Hines. So obviously we can get a better pg for under 2 mill
We have to stop talking like Clark was this all world player. He averaged 12 & 4 shooting 20% from 3. He’s replaceable. Trust me
The portal doesn't open until the day after the Finals, and he absolutely has to "announce" it then, whether via and actual "announcement", or thru the fact that he has to put it in writing to the school, and then his name goes into the publically viewable portal.
Prior to that, obviously he doesn't need to say anthing.
Without question Clark had a middling year. With his 2nd team All Big East nomination and his 1st team all defensive status proof of your theory.
Trust but verify. In this case, you fail that miserably. Clark is pretty good. Not great, but pretty, pretty, pretty good.
Hed prob avg 12 and 7 if we could shoot and hit layups but i get ur point. The 3 may never change but hes gotta shoot all off season. Dont forget his harrassing defense
The All BE team was a joke.
10-10 in the worst BE in my life.
He’s a good defender. Not a great offensive player
We just agree to disagree.
I think he’s a solid to good pg. in 2026, hard to win when your pg can’t shoot or finish at the rim. Mid range is really really good. Good defender. I’d keep him but only if it were 6 figures. If he wants 7 figures tell him to go find it.
He will find it easy.. coaches like him
I’ve also been told that coaches like how he played in a upper level league and if he can produce that within our offensive system they think they can get way more out of him (don’t shoot the messenger)
Plenty of games where he definitely played in the average to good range, but a handful of games where he definitely was in that good to very good category above that. He needs to be more consistent but this is what we'd expect making the jump from Merrimack.
When running the PG position for one of the worst major conference offenses you look past pure stats. Not sure everyone is doing that. Judge his performance for the team when he was on the court to when he was off the court.
And as weak as the Big East was this year, there still were many outstanding individual players. To pooh pooh 2nd team All Big East and 1st team All defensive Big East is just trying to validate a POV.
And as weak as the Big East was this year, there still were many outstanding individual players. To pooh pooh 2nd team All Big East and 1st team All defensive Big East is just trying to validate a POV.