Like I said, almost a month ago, Josh Schertz
Mark Pope or Josh Schertz next season?
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I vote for Shertz ... incredible offensive genius ... he may be a guru, if not a shaman.
I think I understand this one pretty well, we lost to Georgia, sorry that you don't know as much as you think you do
I’d take a chance on Schertz. I would like to see him fill a power team with top caliber players and win a tough league first, but he obviously can coach. He knows how to build a roster. He gets them to play together. He is going to win a tourney game a lot faster than Pope did in his career.
kinda reminds me of Indiana’s football coach in a way. Long D2 career after working his way up from assistant D1. Now he’s moving up the D1 ranks fast. Decorated career so far in every conference he’s been in.
kinda reminds me of Indiana’s football coach in a way. Long D2 career after working his way up from assistant D1. Now he’s moving up the D1 ranks fast. Decorated career so far in every conference he’s been in.
Something to be said for always being a winner.
Yeah, yeah. He wins a lot, sure. But will he wax poetic about his players' souls and inner dialogues as well as Pope does in post-game pressers? Will he hone in on our natural aura? Praise be?
I want Pope gone yesterday but Mitch is still the AD and the Carolina job is probably gonna be open soooooo we may as well tough it out till next March.
No lame-duck AD is going to replace the basketball coach. He is going to pass that decision off to his successor. Pope is going to be here for a third year like it or not.
Who cares if he is an alum. That doesn't give him free reign to crash the program
Shows that he is just good no matter where he is that is for sure. I wouldn’t be that disappointed to take a chance if we don’t get a great AD who keeps making a mediocre hire.
Administration groupies. Many of the same ones were bashing us on wanting Stoops and Cal gone as well.
Neither. Schertz is a trending topic, but his first NCAAT win at age 50 doesn't fit the archetype of elite coaches (I did a short breakdown in another thread). Plus, a UK coach needs to have achieved a Final Four somewhere else before being considered here.
If Schertz gets to the final four in this tourney, it's certainly more intriguing -- kind of like a Dusty May situation (but May was 3 years younger when he went to the FF).
If Schertz gets to the final four in this tourney, it's certainly more intriguing -- kind of like a Dusty May situation (but May was 3 years younger when he went to the FF).
Next year we’ll be fighting Kansas for a new coach. Might as well wait ‘till Pope’s 4th year to look for a new coach.
No just no we really don't need a 3rd year of Pope and here you're suggesting a 4th year..... Who cares if we may be battling Kansas for a head coach at the time we have better tradition and resources so bring it on.... The cherry on top hopefully is we will have what hopefully is a new AD ( outside of anything connected to the goof that's in there now) that will be looking to make that big homerun hire.
Like I said a 50/50 deal.
He crushed Georgia but got crushed by George Mason 2 weeks ago.
Florida fans were complaining about Sumrall after the hire and that shows how dumb they are. Sumrall is going to win big in Gainesville.
Never hire a previous player, certainly never hire one from a beloved team. It brings emotion and loyalty into the equation. Does Pope deserve to be fired over performance? That’s debatable but probably not. What is concerning is that his team trended downward and he has no control over what is going on during the games. It’s pickup playground ball. Thats concerning. He cant get a single player that wants to come and be part of the UK brands unless he pays them a war chest. That’s even more concerning. If our team played like a team we have enough talent to make a run, but we haven’t played like a team all year.
JFC.
This is still the University of F'ing Kentucky.
Georgia or Ole Miss hires a guy with Shertz's resume, not UK, FCS.
This is still the University of F'ing Kentucky.
Georgia or Ole Miss hires a guy with Shertz's resume, not UK, FCS.
I wouldn’t hate the hire if you get turned down by the big names next time but Schertz has the potential to be a Deboer at Alabama situation, he had won everywhere he coached too but there’s no football job like Alabama just like there’s no basketball job like Kentucky. The only difference, and it’s a big one, is our new coach will be following up Mark Pope and not Nick Saban…
This "flavor of the month club" stuff is ridiculous. If and when we add a new coach, it MUST BE one who is proven, not just for a year or two, and one who has demonstrated is a winner at the P5 level if not the upper half or quartile of P5 schools.
Every year there are coaches who have a really good season, maybe even their 2nd or 3rd, who then fall off either once a star player leaves or once they accept a bigger job. That is the kind of stuff that gets you a MCG or what many think Pope is (IMO his grade is not an A-B-C-D-F yet, it is an "Incomplete", in large part due to the historic level of injuries the past 2 years; but the recruiting is not giving me a "warm & fuzzy").
Every year there are coaches who have a really good season, maybe even their 2nd or 3rd, who then fall off either once a star player leaves or once they accept a bigger job. That is the kind of stuff that gets you a MCG or what many think Pope is (IMO his grade is not an A-B-C-D-F yet, it is an "Incomplete", in large part due to the historic level of injuries the past 2 years; but the recruiting is not giving me a "warm & fuzzy").
I don’t believe so. I don’t think so at all. I think Sumrall is a 9-4 guy at best during his good years. I think he’s sub below Florida. Winning during the season at Tulane and coming into the SEC aren’t the same things.
Even still, to not have that set up shows Mitch’s absolute incompetence ever more than Pope.
However thing is, I’ve seen a lot of Florida fans Upset that we hired who we hired. Some he said it was better to go with him than it was to do with Sumrall. Time will tell on Sumrall.
I see the flags of the month club and just never understood it. Who are these flavor of the month club guys? This guy here might have lost a game but it’s not like he’s at Bama football missing the playoff lol. He did really good this year, are we to expect he’s to win decisively at STL year after year and make runs in the tournament winning 2 titles and a final four before he’s not some flavor of a day? Not sure I get this line of though.
Yeah Pope followed Cal so expectations are more tempered following Pope.
So, in a weird way Pope laid the groundwork for our next legendary coach. Whoever that may be.
People saying they want these guys to prove themselves at a bigger program first. The problem is, if we want a Golden or Hurley "next big thing" coach we're likely going to have to take them BEFORE they win a title or even get to a Final Four somewhere else because once they've proven they can do that at their current job there isn't enough dynamite in this world to blow them loose from it and get them to come here. NIL + increased salaries across the board has made it more difficult to lure away prospective coaches.
Ironically, our best chance to get, say, a Lloyd is if he flames out early. Yet that also increases the likelihood of us rolling our eyes at that hire. The further Oats gets away from his one Final Four, the better our chances with him, too, but again it becomes what have you done for me lately.
Is Schertz that guy? Does he check all the boxes? IDK. I do love that pace of play. I've been keeping an eye on him, Calhoun, Byington, and some other up and coming names this year. Some say Pope was our up and comer and it didn't work. Sorry, Pope's name shouldn't even be mentioned with these other young coaches. They're actually proven and have won their conference regular season or tournament before. Regardless of who it is, it will take a visionary Athletic Director to pick a great coach, recruiter, culture fit, AND someone that has the respect of his players and peers (IMO one of the most overlooked factors).
Ironically, our best chance to get, say, a Lloyd is if he flames out early. Yet that also increases the likelihood of us rolling our eyes at that hire. The further Oats gets away from his one Final Four, the better our chances with him, too, but again it becomes what have you done for me lately.
Is Schertz that guy? Does he check all the boxes? IDK. I do love that pace of play. I've been keeping an eye on him, Calhoun, Byington, and some other up and coming names this year. Some say Pope was our up and comer and it didn't work. Sorry, Pope's name shouldn't even be mentioned with these other young coaches. They're actually proven and have won their conference regular season or tournament before. Regardless of who it is, it will take a visionary Athletic Director to pick a great coach, recruiter, culture fit, AND someone that has the respect of his players and peers (IMO one of the most overlooked factors).
Chomper football is actually a pretty good comparison to our basketball fans.
They keep running off coaches thinking they’re going to get the next big super star coach who runs the tables out of the gate and doesn’t look back.
In reality they get decent mid major coaches looking to cash out.
Sumrall will not be Steve spurrier, Urban Meyer, or even Dan Mullen reincarnated. He’ll be a solid 9ish win guy best case scenario, and that’s if they give him the time to build up to that consistency. He’s coming into an SEC in which Vandy, Ole Miss are tough and a down Kentucky can beat you but Chomp Head expectations have not recalibrated for modern times. Good luck!
The scene and game has changed. Football fans and basketball fans alike need to figure it out.
They keep running off coaches thinking they’re going to get the next big super star coach who runs the tables out of the gate and doesn’t look back.
In reality they get decent mid major coaches looking to cash out.
Sumrall will not be Steve spurrier, Urban Meyer, or even Dan Mullen reincarnated. He’ll be a solid 9ish win guy best case scenario, and that’s if they give him the time to build up to that consistency. He’s coming into an SEC in which Vandy, Ole Miss are tough and a down Kentucky can beat you but Chomp Head expectations have not recalibrated for modern times. Good luck!
The scene and game has changed. Football fans and basketball fans alike need to figure it out.
I mean is this guy any better than Shaka smart at VCU? I agree with a lot of the other posters, we’ve been most successful with guys who had success at the highest levels be it a power conference or even coached in the NBA. Getting a guy from the mid majors is just really risky.
Cignetti is the outlier of outliers. Can't bank on replicating that magic.
I have personal experience with Sumrall and he is one of those guys that players run through walls for. He is a rare talent and I will be shocked if he doesn’t have Florida competing at the highest level very soon.
Look for a coach that wins everywhere, that’s how Indiana found Cignetti.
The coach that has the highest winning percentage over the past 10 seasons? Josh Schertz.
You are spot on with finding a coach before they win big at a Power 4. I believe Schertz is that guy.
He is, but I don’t think it’s going to translate to the level Florida fans expect. I haven’t looked in a while but I saw him miss 3 big recruits I think 2 went LSU and one went Texas. I don’t know where it ended up I haven’t switched over yet.
It’s possible he nails it obviously I can’t see the future, but I think Florida wants dominance and I don’t think he’s the guy that’s going to do that. Sumrall is really good but pound for pound I’ve got him as an average 9-4 guy give or take yearly. Florida fans want to battle for titles non stop, they’re starving. I just don’t think that’s what he is. We’ll see. If he’s what I think they’ll fire him around year 5/6.
I think Schertz could be the next big thing tbh. The way he has performed at multiple small schools screams Cignetti vibes.
83% at Lincoln Memorial
He took over trash in 3 places. It really is impressive. He is flying up my list.