So on our roster, WHO is eligible to return next season? I believe Clark, Hines, Dar, Godswill and Feltson. Anybody else?
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Yes, they missed their last approximately 15 shots with clearly tired legs. Completely gassed down the stretch.
Actually, despite the poor overall shooting percentages, they did play well down the stretch and won a bunch of games coming from behind. They also got a ton of turnovers in the last few minutes with the fresh legs.
But we still need shooters!!
We paid 3 players approximately 700k this year. We’re not paying 1 player 2 mill when we can get 3 players for that amount.
That's about as accurate as you debating me that DePaul was better than Seton Hall. I trust my sources far more than someone who just throws out opinions on a message board. Within reason the Pirates will try to keep Hines.
Now, if someone throws ridiculous money at him, then he will most probably leave.
Now, if someone throws ridiculous money at him, then he will most probably leave.
Why would a guy like Himes take less money to play at the Hall? Really, why would anyone? Most of these guys making in the $1 million range are never going to make more $$$ in their lives, and won't play in the NBA: see Kadary, Dre Davis. And don't tell me they will take less to play for our coach!
So the school decided on their nil budget this week? Is it 8 million or more or less
Why? Everyone is different, and I don't think Hines would refuse much more from someone else to stay at Seton Hall, but ... if you're looking for a reason, they might include: 1) His relationship with the coach; 2) It's very close to home, and 3) He already fully understands how he fits into this program.
Are any of those compelling to Hines? I have no idea. But they are all plausible reasons we might retain him if we're close.
You are right and wrong
It does happen..but I’ve heard rarely a relationship with a coach factors in at all
That seems to be pretty much a thing of the past if it was ever a thing at all
Every player is different. One of the advantages of SHUis that Hines family can see him play every home game. What’s that worth? I have no idea.
Hines is not a guaranteed first round draft choice at this point. If he can make $8-10 million over the next three years at SHU, if he doesn’t ascend to the NBA, he’s got a nice head start on his life. And yes, he could probably earn twice that if he goes to the highest bidder and moves around.
Less and less, I think it is. But you never know, even if it's a longshot.
The school puts in very little to rev sharing, it’s mostly on donors. This past season it was about 33% from the school, next season should be about 50% from the school.
Based on their financials, the school could put in a few more million but they 1) don’t care as much as you think and 2) they would rather try to shame and guilt you into donating more.
They have a range they would be comfortable with. They do not want the figure out but it's will be a nice bump from last season.
Seton Hall has yet to pay a player 1 million and you think they are going to magically pay a player 2 million??? Believe that nonsense at your own expense.
You are spot on here.
Greed
There is a reason we are in the bottom 3 of the Big East NIL
They could theoretically lose their best player 3 years in a row under Sha…
Richmond, Coleman, and possibly Hines.
Richmond, Coleman, and possibly Hines.
This is totally correct.
I posted this last month to help people understand the nature of fundraising and who really makes things happen. Spoiler: It isn't the ones who give $1,000, or even $10,000 a year, even though both of those are very generous figures. Really, it's the so-called whales, and institutions that cannot identify, cultivate, and successfully solicit hefty gifts (say, perhaps, $500,000 and up) from them will not be able to compete in this world anymore.
Here's what I said:
I don’t think most people understand the dynamics of fundraising, or at least have little perspective.
I sat through a development overview presentation just last week by someone who leads development at a school that just finished a half-billion dollar campaign. Now, this institution‘s fundraising is an another level altogether from Seton Hall, but it’s not a bigger school than Seton Hall; quite a bit smaller, in fact.
One thing I gleaned from this is that — and I’m certainly paraphrasing — if you eliminated everyone who gives less than $50,000 a year, they would barely feel it in terms of their annual total. Everyone less is considered a nickel and dimer. So we think we’re swinging our “sticks” around when we give $5,000 (which, to be clear, if far more than my own philanthropy), when in reality, it hardly registers.
You can dial these numbers down to be more reflective of Seton Hall, but the point is the same.
If I'm wrong here, Seton Hall's development environment is much worse than I thought.
We've barely had a player who was worth $1 million in that year's market. Maybe that kid who went to St. John's?
No, in that year's market, Dre Davis was not a million-dollar player. You can say the kid who went to St. John's was, but he was the only one. And last year, Coleman was not a million-dollar player. He may have gotten it, but that's because Oklahoma State way overpaid. That's their problem. You can see in part why they sucked.
SHU now has the money to begin the portal season. Last year depite eventually having $6M they weren't able to use it until the court settlement, This season they got an appreciable bump and they have the money from day 1.
Are we where we want to be NIL wise? Absolutely not. But we're in the ballgame now.
The school despite the financial instability of spending what they will be spending it's an issue, It would be so much better if we helped more to support the team.
Are we where we want to be NIL wise? Absolutely not. But we're in the ballgame now.
The school despite the financial instability of spending what they will be spending it's an issue, It would be so much better if we helped more to support the team.
Exactly. We don't know the motive for any particular kid, and all the reasons you stated are no doubt compelling ones for some.
What I think the poster was referring to is that if Hines has as many suitors as some think, "Coach X" is going to be able to sell "Hey, look at this big man or these big guys who came to me unpolished and undeveloped, who I helped turn into NBA players". Who knows how much that matters or where someone's head is at in that regard.
So they decided in less than a week what the budget was? Because last week it was reported as undecided
Also we were told we were “in the ballgame” last year too than we were told we are still severely lacking
If we have 8 million will sha spend 8 million?
Just guessing but it feels like we will be at $8M. If my guess is in the range, that will help a lot - 33% increase, but put us into the below avg category. Its still an appreciable bump as Dan mentions and probably as much as we can hope for at SHU. We are most likely always going to be in the position to do more with less.
We can at least renew our season tickets early to project future income they can rely on for next year and of course donate to Pirate Blue to help. Its not as significant as finding a new big donor but it all adds up.
We can at least renew our season tickets early to project future income they can rely on for next year and of course donate to Pirate Blue to help. Its not as significant as finding a new big donor but it all adds up.
So what’s ridiculous money? IMO, Hines could command at least $2million from a number of well funded suitors. Really curious as to what people think.
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If we have 8M budget we can do 2M najai and 1 M budd. However i thi k theyll bith get more. Dan what do u think?
What rev does basketball bring in and how much does school get per round in the tournament
At that rate I clearly would take both. But yes I can see a big spender trying to take Hines at an amount we cannot afford to match.
Pure conjecture but Carino’s latest piece regarding the school’s need to step up felt like an article that was heavily inspired by the HC. That makes me wonder if its actually $8M and if it is, whether there’s more meat on the bone that he wants access to.