OT: Stock and Investment Thread

gmay8

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Stocks are surface foam. There are harbor mines all over the place just below the surface. Some saw that there were growing problems with lots of interconnections but typical of US management the problems were ignored (for 15 years were heard China was monopolizing rare earths but US ignored it).

Ed Dowd (BlackRock exec) and Melanie Wright a real estate finance expert fill-in a lot of blanks. Hearing one honest insider is always interesting but two meeting for the first time and sharing notes is unusually captivating. Both know a big problem is unavoidable now and the best that can be done is to get out front and break things into parts so you don't have a nuke. Dowd thinks the problems hits this year (stock shrink releases the hounds).

Real estate is 30% overvalued but the South has been coming back to earth while NE is still in fantasy world. A lot of older people with bogus valuations are headed for the sacrificial volcano. Commercial real estate known to be bad but its worse. Lots of false data and sloppy deals (properties sold based on full occupancy that was never in place). Double pledging all over the place. Both agree problem worse than 2008 and there will be no bailouts




I watched this entire thing... pretty interesting, and definitely a ton of doom and gloom. Interesting the guy Ed Dowd was calling for a crash in 2023, 2024, and now he's shifting to 2026, 2027. i'm sure he'll get it right one of these days! keep predicting catastrophe, and some day it'll hit.

It annoys me when people talk about all the terrible things coming our way, but with no plan or tips on how to react. i wish they'd give the common investor (me) an idea of what to do to prepare or how to defend against this looming disaster
 

Captain Hogleg

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Jensen event:


Add to your NVDA position or start one! The company is very reasonably priced and the tepid reaction by big money to yesterday’s ridiculously positive news is just an opportunity for small investors to capitalize long term. NVDA should be up 10 points on this news
 
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Bueller

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I watched this entire thing... pretty interesting, and definitely a ton of doom and gloom. Interesting the guy Ed Dowd was calling for a crash in 2023, 2024, and now he's shifting to 2026, 2027. i'm sure he'll get it right one of these days! keep predicting catastrophe, and some day it'll hit.

It annoys me when people talk about all the terrible things coming our way, but with no plan or tips on how to react. i wish they'd give the common investor (me) an idea of what to do to prepare or how to defend against this looming disaster

2023-2024 was a strange period. As Dowd mentioned, he underestimated the amount of foreigners being pumped into the country and A) their spending and B) the money they were being given for spending. There was also a lot of false data being used - a regular cycle of false positives followed by revisions when nobody was looking. There were also periods where the decline in GDP over several months would normally be called a "recession" but weren't https://www.npr.org/2022/07/28/1113649843/gdp-2q-economy-2022-recession-two-quarters

I was listening to Luke Groman this morning and he's rather dire himself. The gov spends 7 trillion a year but takes in 5 trillion. When AI layoffs really take place the white collar workers wont be paying taxes as they have been and nobody knows what they can do instead. As soon as one company shows results from layoffs (which help the stocks people are paid with) others will rush to follow, Add a sovereign debt crisis with more money creation.

Gromen says not to be over leveraged and he likes a "Fuggar portfolio" 25% gold, 25% cash 25% blue chip equities and 25% real estate. One of those will be dented at some point but you focus on the healthy ones.

One other way big thing looming that's invisible is California flirting with having zero oil refineries. In the 1970s they had about 40. Now they have around 4 and they just told CA they are going to close soon unless CA gets its head out of its cheeks. CA wants to tax them out of existence When refineries stop chugging they begin to break down fast as seals malfunction along with other things. The catastrophe of losing gas will hit fast but a fix will be slow.

I listened to an Air Force general (and C17 pilot) and refinery expert describe the situation and when people cant get gas, diesel food, supplies, meds etc the social blowback will be epic. Ports and airports wont be able to function (San Fran gets 100%of its jet fuel from 2 refineries ready to close). The refinery situation needs federal oversight but CA is trying to force state to take control before feds can. These people are crazy and they appear to have a plot

 

drewbagel423

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Truflation YoY is below 2% (which is way, way, way more accurate than CPI). Sounds like Warsh is going to pivot and start using its data for Fed analyses once chair.
Wholesale prices just went up 0.7% in a month. That hasn't even started taking into account increases due to the war. 2% YoY is a pipe dream.
 

T2Kplus20

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Wholesale prices just went up 0.7% in a month. That hasn't even started taking into account increases due to the war. 2% YoY is a pipe dream.
Truflation YoY headline = 1.51% as of today. This is by far the most accurate inflation metric which Warsh is going to start moving closer to after he takes over.
 
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T2Kplus20

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WTI really looks like it wants to break $100.
Time for that mission accomplished tweet! :)

My personal and HOOD accounts are holding up well since they are heavy energy, but I really need gold is stabilize. Otherwise, buying big tech at a discount.
 

RU-05

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Time for that mission accomplished tweet! :)

My personal and HOOD accounts are holding up well since they are heavy energy, but I really need gold is stabilize. Otherwise, buying big tech at a discount.
Just saw gold back below $4800. Unless it really breaks down this probably a good level for a trade.
 
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T2Kplus20

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Just saw gold back below $4800. Unless it really breaks down this probably a good level for a trade.
I don't think it went below $4800 today (or at least the future contracts). I believe it has a strong level of support around $4700. Overall, the multi-year gold bull isn't going to end, so maybe I will add if it gets low enough. I need to move to the end set of contracts anyway (April contracts expire next week).
 

RU-05

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I don't think it went below $4800 today (or at least the future contracts). I believe it has a strong level of support around $4700. Overall, the multi-year gold bull isn't going to end, so maybe I will add if it gets low enough. I need to move to the end set of contracts anyway (April contracts expire next week).
My bad. Meant below $5000 to $4800.

but down to $4623 now.
 

T2Kplus20

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My bad. Meant below $5000 to $4800.

but down to $4623 now.
Yeah, I just checked and a few of my stop losses hit overnight, which is fine. As mentioned before, I need to move to the June contracts anyway.

Still looking to add to my big tech leaps. Already have plenty of energy, so that helps. :)
 

RU-05

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WTI blipped to $99.90 but fell back to $98 something.

I wonder if once it breaks through if it runs right to $120.
 

RU-05

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Looking at the copper chart it bumped off $6 for a bunch of months. Now down to $5.50

I did well getting out of gold and silver miners but I switched to copper miners and they’ve gotten smoked.
 

T2Kplus20

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Looking at the copper chart it bumped off $6 for a bunch of months. Now down to $5.50

I did well getting out of gold and silver miners but I switched to copper miners and they’ve gotten smoked.
I got stopped out of copper miners, but will definitely get back in once the trend changes. Even Druck says copper is going up and to the right (minus any conflicts in the middle east. LOL!).
 

RUAldo

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I got stopped out of copper miners, but will definitely get back in once the trend changes. Even Druck says copper is going up and to the right (minus any conflicts in the middle east. LOL!).
I have a feeling some of my stop losses will hit soon and I’ll have to book losses. If you told me precious metals would get crushed during this kind of turmoil I would have said you were crazy (or called you an idiot). Is this the first time in history gold got crushed during war?
 
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TSLA projected deliveries expected to be down 18% quarter over quarter.
The story has changed from selling cars to robotics and robots. That’s the beauty of Musk… divert from something that isn’t working and move the focus to something new
 

T2Kplus20

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I have a feeling some of my stop losses will hit soon and I’ll have to book losses. If you told me precious metals would get crushed during this kind of turmoil I would have said you were crazy (or called you an idiot). Is this the first time in history gold got crushed during war?
Check out my post above from yesterday. Good logic on why gold has been so weak since the conflict started.
 

Rutgers Chris

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Uber making a 1.5 billion dollar purchase of 50,000 Rivians for their robotaxis.
Wouldn’t shock me to see this never happen. ETA is 2031.

As an aside, I took an Uber this week that was a Tesla. Driver said she and her boyfriend both rent teslas from Uber. I brought that up to my next driver and he said there’s no way they’re making money if they are renting as he barely is with an owned car. Odd model
 

T2Kplus20

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Wouldn’t shock me to see this never happen. ETA is 2031.

As an aside, I took an Uber this week that was a Tesla. Driver said she and her boyfriend both rent teslas from Uber. I brought that up to my next driver and he said there’s no way they’re making money if they are renting as he barely is with an owned car. Odd model
Happy to see RIVN up since I am hold a few leaps, but I agree. Rivian needs to crawl before walking. LOL! Great product. Still figuring out if they can put together a good business.
 

RUAldo

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Wouldn’t shock me to see this never happen. ETA is 2031.

As an aside, I took an Uber this week that was a Tesla. Driver said she and her boyfriend both rent teslas from Uber. I brought that up to my next driver and he said there’s no way they’re making money if they are renting as he barely is with an owned car. Odd model
Those drivers are either suckers or desperate. The only guy I know making money driving with Uber only does early morning scheduled runs to EWR. The local pick up and drop off wherever shifts aren’t worth it.
 

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Wouldn’t shock me to see this never happen. ETA is 2031.

As an aside, I took an Uber this week that was a Tesla. Driver said she and her boyfriend both rent teslas from Uber. I brought that up to my next driver and he said there’s no way they’re making money if they are renting as he barely is with an owned car. Odd model
Funny you say that. Had a conversation with a driver last time in Orlando around Christmas. Driver said he was getting his teeth kicked in the last couple of months prior. Where historically he was killing it. Mentioned drivers that were getting higher priority because of their electric vehicles. Wonder if that’s the case? Priority going to “employed” drivers renting their vehicles from uber.
 
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drewbagel423

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I have a feeling some of my stop losses will hit soon and I’ll have to book losses. If you told me precious metals would get crushed during this kind of turmoil I would have said you were crazy (or called you an idiot). Is this the first time in history gold got crushed during war?
Not to mention the inflation of the last 4-5 years.
 

Bueller

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Looking at the copper chart it bumped off $6 for a bunch of months. Now down to $5.50

I did well getting out of gold and silver miners but I switched to copper miners and they’ve gotten smoked.

From winter 2025 metals were expected to have a rough March 2026. I forget all the reasons but one was that contracts were maturing in March (I think some were delayed since). Now there is fear of stagflation and the likely misadventure in Iran. The same people who called for a bad March are expecting a boom in spring/summer. I hold everything so I dont follow all the churn
 
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RU-05

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Wouldn’t shock me to see this never happen. ETA is 2031.

As an aside, I took an Uber this week that was a Tesla. Driver said she and her boyfriend both rent teslas from Uber. I brought that up to my next driver and he said there’s no way they’re making money if they are renting as he barely is with an owned car. Odd model
Uber owns Teslas? And rents them to drivers?

Definitely sounds odd. But I think all these companies are testing different business models to see what works.

but RIVN if it can build autonomous cars it is in the mix as much as Tesla. Maybe even moreso given they have SUV’s. It also now has multiple big money backers in VW and now Uber.
 
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RU-05

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The story has changed from selling cars to robotics and robots. That’s the beauty of Musk… divert from something that isn’t working and move the focus to something new

He is a great storyteller
To be fair he has made these fairy tale seeming stories come true. Multiple times.

But the market, as shown in TSLA’s stock price is showing some skepticism.
 

Rutgers Chris

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Uber owns Teslas? And rents them to drivers?

Definitely sounds odd. But I think all these companies are testing different business models to see what works.

but RIVN if it can build autonomous cars it is in the mix as much as Tesla. Maybe even moreso given they have SUV’s. It also now has multiple big money backers in VW and now Uber.
Looks like it’s done through Hertz and does come with some priority booking benefits:
 

T2Kplus20

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Saw WTI with the major fail at $100.

Back down to $93
Got stopped out of the rest of my gold positions. It needs to reclaim $4740'ish to reverse the trend. As for copper, COPX is getting close to a strong level of support ($62/63). I will likely buy back in at that price.
 
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