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www.breitbart.com

SEC Commissioner Warns of 'Messy' Transition in Store for College Sports

SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey is warning everyone that college sports is in the middle of historic change and it is going to get "messy."
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SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey is warning everyone that college sports are in the middle of historic change, and it is going to get “messy.”

“The coming changes in how college sports are governed and how it will interact with NIL rules and other big changes are going to be difficult,” Sankey said while at the SEC basketball tournament in Nashville, according to On3 Sports.

On the other hand, while Sankey is thinking of expansion, some schools have threatened to leave the SEC. He even noted recently that several member schools are looking to leave the SEC and operate as an independent entity not affiliated with the NCAA, according to Sports Illustrated.




This has been my fear. Not that we would be kicked out of the SEC - that others would leave us behind.
 
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I wonder what schools are thinking of leaving? A&M would be the only one that comes to mind maybe jumping to the Big Ten.
 
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I think people misunderstood what he said. I think we have member schools that think the sec should break away and form its own governing entity. This is the article the OP article cites. It’s about schools wanting to leave the ncaa

www.si.com

Greg Sankey Breaks Silence on Multiple SEC Schools Wanting to Leave the NCAA

SEC commissioner Greg Sankey's job is about to get a lot tougher over the next few College Football seasons, though that's not an exclusive issue to him and is
www.si.com www.si.com
 
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It is going to have to happen or college athletics will eventually self-destruct.
 
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I don’t see how just a few could leave and it work. You’d need a large group of schools like maybe the SEC and Big Ten all together say they are leaving for it to work.
 
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DesotoCountyDawg said:
I don’t see how just a few could leave and it work. You’d need a large group of schools like maybe the SEC and Big Ten all together say they are leaving for it to work.
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I could totally see five or six leave the SEC, five or six leave the B1G, and a handful leave the ACC to form a 12-14 team super league.
 
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I don't know what college football looks like in 10-20 years but I do know that the NCAA is in the way of where the big money programs want to be. They don't really offer anything in terms of managing modern issues like NIL, transfers, comp, etc. The conferences will either force the NCAA to do what they want with a collective voice or they will leave the NCAA. It'll get messier before it gets better I'm sure.

I hope we have good brown nosing leadership to convince the big boys to let us keep tagging along.
 
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ckDOG said:
I don't know what college football looks like in 10-20 years but I do know that the NCAA is in the way of where the big money programs want to be. They don't really offer anything in terms of managing modern issues like NIL, transfers, comp, etc. The conferences will either force the NCAA to do what they want with a collective voice or they will leave the NCAA. It'll get messier before it gets better I'm sure.

I hope we have good brown nosing leadership to convince the big boys to let us keep tagging along.
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Not sure if this is the NCAA's fault though. Courts and new rules have kinda rendered them toothless. I think these programs need a governing body to save them from themselves.
 
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I feel like the top football schools breaking away from NCAA is inevitable. What I hope happens is they break off for football only, and that MSU is included. Let the NCAA run all sports other than D-1 football and go back to logical regional conferences.

I'm also ready for an end to unlimited transfers / annual unresteicted free agency because that's what's really killing college sports. Set up a players union and have negotiated CBAs, and it's probably past time for schools to start offering 2 or 4 year contracts. Then if someone wants out, they can be traded and the schools get something in return. Or go to the international soccer setup where transfers get posted and other teams have to pay to get who they want.
 
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Those schools would lose that money distribution and have to negotiate their tv rights. It would take a lot of schools going to form a "league" IMO and I'm not sure that happens anytime soon. If they did, it would end college athletics.
 
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Drebin said:
I could totally see five or six leave the SEC, five or six leave the B1G, and a handful leave the ACC to form a 12-14 team super league.
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I can’t see it. That would be a stupid move. Instead of having coast to coast viewers for TV revenue, the TV revenue 12-14 teams would draw would be a pittance. A CFB only league needs 60ish teams spread around the country to generate the most fan interest. That’s roughly the current membership of the current P4 and ND.
 
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I think there are four possible outcomes.

1. A 24-team super league that plays an NFL type schedule
2. A 32-team super league that plays an NFL type schedule
3. A 40-team league that still has a collegiate feel (non-conference games, playing G5 teams, etc.)
4. A breakoff of Power 4/5 from Group of 5

I believe it will all be football only. I also believe that there will be a resurgence of the early 90s proposal for a Division I-AAA. Schools that want to be D1 for March Madness and other non-football sports but do not want to give football scholarships. It will save college athletics at schools like Southern Miss.

 
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yes surely an SEC school wants to leave $50M/year behind and leave the SEC

the NCAA is the one that plays Robin Hood and steals from the rich and gives to the poor. Look at the NCAA Basketball tournament payouts...
 
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I can’t see it. That would be a stupid move. Instead of having coast to coast viewers for TV revenue, the TV revenue 12-14 teams would draw would be a pittance. A CFB only league needs 60ish teams spread around the country to generate the most fan interest. That’s roughly the current membership of the current P4 and ND.
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I agree with you and most people here will.

ESPN doesn't.

Here's a look at the Top 25 most watched teams in 2025. This is what is driving the train off the tracks. This idea of "let's take 32 college teams and make another NFL"

RkTeamAll GamesAll #All Avg.Adj. TotalAdj. GamesAdj. Avg
1Alabama84,412108,44184,412108,441
2Georgia74,068107,40774,068107,407
3Ohio State71,539116,50467,87797,542
4Texas69,41397,71369,41397,713
5Michigan60,821125,06856,94996,328
6Oklahoma58,92396,54758,92396,547
7LSU51,40577,34451,40577,344
8Texas A&M42,78494,75442,78494,754
9Notre Dame41,939104,19441,939104,194
10Ole Miss39,35794,37339,35794,373
11Oregon38,709123,22637,24894,139
12Florida37,57184,69637,57184,696
13Tennessee37,00266,16737,00266,167
14Penn State36,374113,30734,39193,821
15Miami34,644103,46434,644103,464
16USC30,346122,52928,671102,867
17Auburn29,53364,92229,53364,922
18Florida State28,36474,05228,36474,052
19Nebraska27,539122,29525,569102,557
20Vanderbilt25,13873,59125,13873,591
21Georgia Tech24,88892,76524,88892,765
22Indiana24,802102,48023,43182,929
23Missouri24,08073,44024,08073,440
24Clemson23,32263,88723,32263,887
25Iowa22,818102,28220,66882,584



Here's 26-53 (which is where we were)

6Wisconsin22,729121,89419,12082,390
27Iowa State21,174111,92521,174111,925
28Washington21,086121,75718,34472,621
29TCU20,804102,08020,804102,080
30South Carolina20,72454,14520,72454,145
31Colorado20,541121,71220,541121,712
32Texas Tech19,827101,98319,827101,983
33BYU19,755111,79619,755111,796
34Illinois18,716101,87216,45272,350
35UCLA18,422111,67517,47882,185
36Minnesota15,243111,38613,05071,864
37Arkansas14,94052,98814,94052,988
38Michigan State14,868101,48713,75881,720
39Utah14,652101,46514,652101,465
40North Carolina13,90471,98613,90471,986
41Purdue13,187111,1997,51341,878
42Kansas State12,85991,42912,85991,429
43Northwestern12,759121,06311,45371,636
44Kentucky12,34852,47012,34852,470
45Cincinnati11,89991,32211,89991,322
46Arizona State11,520101,15211,520101,152
47Virginia Tech11,51671,64511,51671,645
48Syracuse11,32161,88711,32161,887
49Rutgers10,73791,1937,82741,957
50Pitt10,62161,77010,62161,770
51Maryland9,761118876,53761,090
52Louisville9,24681,1569,24681,156
53Mississippi State9,16942,2929,16942,292
 
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Drebin said:
Not sure if this is the NCAA's fault though. Courts and new rules have kinda rendered them toothless. I think these programs need a governing body to save them from themselves.
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Fair. Then I suppose it comes down to how much power individual athletes now have after court decisions and if there's any potential/motivation for a CBA within a newly organized league of athletics programs.

The court rulings as it relates to the NCAA and "amateur" athletics are over my head but I would still think there is still legal opportunity for a "mini-NFL" type league to fall out where you have agreed-upon comp structures, caps, transfer limitations, etc. etc. The current chaos profits some individuals in the short term but I believe there would have to be some motivation on both the player side and future league side to get some agreed-upon sanity back in the mix.
 
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Drebin said:
Not sure if this is the NCAA's fault though. Courts and new rules have kinda rendered them toothless. I think these programs need a governing body to save them from themselves.
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Exactly.
The NCAA was inept and didnt get ahead of things in the beginning, but there really hasnt been an opportunity for them to correct ship. You cant correct things when the landscape is changing so frequently and its so fractured due to federal court rulings, state court rulings, federal legislation(the threat of), and state legislation.

None of us could successfully manage and lead, given all that chaos, inconsistency, and frequent change.
 
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If the best 24 or so teams break off and just play each other some teams are going to go from conference frontrunners to cellar dwellers. Programs that consider 9-3 a down year suddenly are playing teams with the same or better resources every week.
 
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If the best 24 or so teams break off and just play each other some teams are going to go from conference frontrunners to cellar dwellers. Programs that consider 9-3 a down year suddenly are playing teams with the same or better resources every week.
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This won't even be an issue. It is ALL about the money. You already have conference front runners leaving to join bigger conferences where they won't necessarily be front runners any more (USC, Oregon, Washington, Texas, Oklahoma) and more that would if they weren't tied down by a grant of rights agreement. I don't think anyone really knows what will shake out over the next decade. But I think a 24-school breakaway just isn't enough schools. I think 32-60 is more likely. And I think the breakaway will be more likely a restructuring within the NCAA than a break from the NCAA. But that's just a guess.
 
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We picked a very poor time to go back to pre-sherrill levels of suckdom (I'm not counting Croom bc we were good on both sides of him). It's not breaking news to anyone here, but the timing of Leach's death was monumental for our program. It's effect cannot be overstated.
 
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615dawg said:
www.breitbart.com

SEC Commissioner Warns of 'Messy' Transition in Store for College Sports

SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey is warning everyone that college sports is in the middle of historic change and it is going to get "messy."
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com


SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey is warning everyone that college sports are in the middle of historic change, and it is going to get “messy.”

“The coming changes in how college sports are governed and how it will interact with NIL rules and other big changes are going to be difficult,” Sankey said while at the SEC basketball tournament in Nashville, according to On3 Sports.

On the other hand, while Sankey is thinking of expansion, some schools have threatened to leave the SEC. He even noted recently that several member schools are looking to leave the SEC and operate as an independent entity not affiliated with the NCAA, according to Sports Illustrated.

This has been my fear. Not that we would be kicked out of the SEC - that others would leave us behind.
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Bama, UGA, LUS, Flarda, A&M, Teasips, Sooners are gonna give the rest of the conference an "Irish Goodbye."
 
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Puppers said:
If the best 24 or so teams break off and just play each other some teams are going to go from conference frontrunners to cellar dwellers. Programs that consider 9-3 a down year suddenly are playing teams with the same or better resources every week.
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You thing competitive spirit is a factor?

When the TV networks start meeting with college presidents instead of conference commissioners and talking money, its over. SEC schools got $73 million each last payout, and Big 10 schools got $80 million each. You start talking to Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, LSU et. al. and offering them $125-$150 million and they'll leave before the ink dries.
 
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JackShephard said:
We picked a very poor time to go back to pre-sherrill levels of suckdom (I'm not counting Croom bc we were good on both sides of him). It's not breaking news to anyone here, but the timing of Leach's death was monumental for our program. It's effect cannot be overstated.
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Yes we did. These next 5 or so years could be the most critical years in our program's history. And we look like the damn Keystone Cops running the program.
 
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I don’t think any of the charter members of the SEC go anywhere. But I have seen rumblings that Texas and A&M are viewed as too rich for the rest of the SEC and could eventually go back to the Big 12 or even the PAC where they feel they could dominate and not have to worry about the likes of Bama, UGA and Florida.
 
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615dawg said:
I believe it will all be football only. I also believe that there will be a resurgence of the early 90s proposal for a Division I-AAA. Schools that want to be D1 for March Madness and other non-football sports but do not want to give football scholarships. It will save college athletics at schools like Southern Miss.
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D1-AAA exists now- the Pioneer League. It used to be D1-AA Non-Scholarship. Now its D1 FCS Non-Scholarship.
Its mentioned in the video too.
Teams from CA, IA, NY, FL, IN, and elsewhere are part of the conference. Its 10 states in total and a huge geographic footprint.

The video mentions the Pioneer League, but seems to also say D1-AAA really wasnt 'adopted' and says it would have changed the trajectory of college football over 30 years ago.


I guess the Pioneer League isnt fully a separate division since it can still participate in FCS Playoffs? Drake played 8 other Pioneer League teams and also played a few non-conference games against FCS Scholarship programs.
 
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615dawg said:
You thing competitive spirit is a factor?

When the TV networks start meeting with college presidents instead of conference commissioners and talking money, its over. SEC schools got $73 million each last payout, and Big 10 schools got $80 million each. You start talking to Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, LSU et. al. and offering them $125-$150 million and they'll leave before the ink dries.
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I think you're are correct. But...

Notre Dames football only contract with nbc is $50million per year. I'm not sure what they get for basketball but... all these sec schools will need to negotiate football and basketball tv rights to get to the $73 the sec gives them.

I believe Bama, UGA, Texas and Florida ... remember when Jermey Foley threw a tantrum when State made the SECCG..... would all want to cut out the little guy and keep a bigger slice. But I think they'll have to join together to make a conference with at least 10-11 games that are prime time matchups. In other words, no playing directional schools and MissState and vandy

it's going to be a bitter pill to swallow to accept 8-3 or 6-5 with a schedule of nothing but blue bloods.
 
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greenbean.sixpack said:
I can’t see it. That would be a stupid move. Instead of having coast to coast viewers for TV revenue, the TV revenue 12-14 teams would draw would be a pittance. A CFB only league needs 60ish teams spread around the country to generate the most fan interest. That’s roughly the current membership of the current P4 and ND.
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ACC, B1G, and SEC are spread all around the country. It would look something like this, give or take some teams:

Notre Dame
UCLA
USC
Washington
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Indiana
Texas
Oklahoma
Alabama
LSU
Georgia
Florida
Auburn
Tennessee
A&M
Clemson
Florida State
NC State?
North Carolina?
 
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That article essentially said nothing. It's already messy, that isn't changing. The schools 17ed up by doing revenue share, and the only way to continue to make this worse is to try and professionalize it.
 
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Drebin said:
ACC, B1G, and SEC are spread all around the country. It would look something like this, give or take some teams:

Notre Dame
UCLA
USC
Washington
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Indiana
Texas
Oklahoma
Alabama
LSU
Georgia
Florida
Auburn
Tennessee
A&M
Clemson
Florida State
NC State?
North Carolina?
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I'm not sure Auburn, UCLA or Clemson would make the cut if it's that few schools. And I'm sure NC State wouldn't. UNC absolutely would, and Miami probably would.
 
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615dawg said:
www.breitbart.com

SEC Commissioner Warns of 'Messy' Transition in Store for College Sports

SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey is warning everyone that college sports is in the middle of historic change and it is going to get "messy."
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com


SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey is warning everyone that college sports are in the middle of historic change, and it is going to get “messy.”

“The coming changes in how college sports are governed and how it will interact with NIL rules and other big changes are going to be difficult,” Sankey said while at the SEC basketball tournament in Nashville, according to On3 Sports.

On the other hand, while Sankey is thinking of expansion, some schools have threatened to leave the SEC. He even noted recently that several member schools are looking to leave the SEC and operate as an independent entity not affiliated with the NCAA, according to Sports Illustrated.




This has been my fear. Not that we would be kicked out of the SEC - that others would leave us behind.
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Leaving the SEC has worked out great for us.

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I think you're are correct. But...

Notre Dames football only contract with nbc is $50million per year. I'm not sure what they get for basketball but... all these sec schools will need to negotiate football and basketball tv rights to get to the $73 the sec gives them.

I believe Bama, UGA, Texas and Florida ... remember when Jermey Foley threw a tantrum when State made the SECCG..... would all want to cut out the little guy and keep a bigger slice. But I think they'll have to join together to make a conference with at least 10-11 games that are prime time matchups. In other words, no playing directional schools and MissState and vandy

it's going to be a bitter pill to swallow to accept 8-3 or 6-5 with a schedule of nothing but blue bloods.
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I think the play is all of this is going to be football only. Basketball, baseball and other sports will return to regional conferences.
 
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I'm not sure Auburn, UCLA or Clemson would make the cut if it's that few schools. And I'm sure NC State wouldn't. UNC absolutely would, and Miami probably would.
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"Give or take some teams"

I was making the point that it wouldn't be a regional league.
 
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ll Martain ll said:
I feel like the top football schools breaking away from NCAA is inevitable. What I hope happens is they break off for football only, and that MSU is included. Let the NCAA run all sports other than D-1 football and go back to logical regional conferences.

I'm also ready for an end to unlimited transfers / annual unresteicted free agency because that's what's really killing college sports. Set up a players union and have negotiated CBAs, and it's probably past time for schools to start offering 2 or 4 year contracts. Then if someone wants out, they can be traded and the schools get something in return. Or go to the international soccer setup where transfers get posted and other teams have to pay to get who they want.
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I hope they do.
 
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Sankey is so full of hot air.

Again, the SEC did this to themselves. The court rulings and state laws tied a lot of hands related to NIL and compensation structure. But, the transfer portal? That’s all in Sankey’s lap…..and that is the big problem that is driving all of this. None of this death spiral with skyrocketing costs for players would be happening without it, and development would still be a thing.

The SEC was by far the most powerful and influential seat at the table when all these new rules around the portal and NIL were being crafted. They could have drawn a line in the sand regarding the portal. But no, they actually liked the idea of their members being able to get better quickly by plucking a hotshot QB or DE from the G5 or lower tier P5 schools….without that player having to sit. They wanted to be able to bring a gun to a knife fight in the transfer recruiting scene, without realizing at all that the B1G was going to be bringing nuclear weapons to the same knife fight.

Just complete idiocy for shortsighted / short term gains. Absolutely destroyed the SEC’s status in college football, and destroyed college football in general as we know it.
 
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Drebin said:
I could totally see five or six leave the SEC, five or six leave the B1G, and a handful leave the ACC to form a 12-14 team super league.
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I reached the point long ago where I’d honestly prefer this so that I can stop pretending to care about those juggernauts, and just maybe college sports can get back to some semblance of actual college sports
 
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615dawg said:
I agree with you and most people here will.

ESPN doesn't.

Here's a look at the Top 25 most watched teams in 2025. This is what is driving the train off the tracks. This idea of "let's take 32 college teams and make another NFL"

RkTeamAll GamesAll #All Avg.Adj. TotalAdj. GamesAdj. Avg
1Alabama84,412108,44184,412108,441
2Georgia74,068107,40774,068107,407
3Ohio State71,539116,50467,87797,542
4Texas69,41397,71369,41397,713
5Michigan60,821125,06856,94996,328
6Oklahoma58,92396,54758,92396,547
7LSU51,40577,34451,40577,344
8Texas A&M42,78494,75442,78494,754
9Notre Dame41,939104,19441,939104,194
10Ole Miss39,35794,37339,35794,373
11Oregon38,709123,22637,24894,139
12Florida37,57184,69637,57184,696
13Tennessee37,00266,16737,00266,167
14Penn State36,374113,30734,39193,821
15Miami34,644103,46434,644103,464
16USC30,346122,52928,671102,867
17Auburn29,53364,92229,53364,922
18Florida State28,36474,05228,36474,052
19Nebraska27,539122,29525,569102,557
20Vanderbilt25,13873,59125,13873,591
21Georgia Tech24,88892,76524,88892,765
22Indiana24,802102,48023,43182,929
23Missouri24,08073,44024,08073,440
24Clemson23,32263,88723,32263,887
25Iowa22,818102,28220,66882,584



Here's 26-53 (which is where we were)

6Wisconsin22,729121,89419,12082,390
27Iowa State21,174111,92521,174111,925
28Washington21,086121,75718,34472,621
29TCU20,804102,08020,804102,080
30South Carolina20,72454,14520,72454,145
31Colorado20,541121,71220,541121,712
32Texas Tech19,827101,98319,827101,983
33BYU19,755111,79619,755111,796
34Illinois18,716101,87216,45272,350
35UCLA18,422111,67517,47882,185
36Minnesota15,243111,38613,05071,864
37Arkansas14,94052,98814,94052,988
38Michigan State14,868101,48713,75881,720
39Utah14,652101,46514,652101,465
40North Carolina13,90471,98613,90471,986
41Purdue13,187111,1997,51341,878
42Kansas State12,85991,42912,85991,429
43Northwestern12,759121,06311,45371,636
44Kentucky12,34852,47012,34852,470
45Cincinnati11,89991,32211,89991,322
46Arizona State11,520101,15211,520101,152
47Virginia Tech11,51671,64511,51671,645
48Syracuse11,32161,88711,32161,887
49Rutgers10,73791,1937,82741,957
50Pitt10,62161,77010,62161,770
51Maryland9,761118876,53761,090
52Louisville9,24681,1569,24681,156
53Mississippi State9,16942,2929,16942,292
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That chart doesn’t make any sense.

Where did it come from?

Every team should have at least 12 games studied in the data set.

MSU has 17ing four. Most teams have 10 or less. Many only have 5-7.
 
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I reached the point long ago where I’d honestly prefer this so that I can stop pretending to care about those juggernauts, and just maybe college sports can get back to some semblance of actual college sports
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I'd be perfectly happy seeing us in a 2nd tier conference with the bottom half of the SEC plus some ACC and/or Big 12 schools.
 
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Sankey is so full of hot air.

Again, the SEC did this to themselves. The court rulings and state laws tied a lot of hands related to NIL and compensation structure. But, the transfer portal? That’s all in Sankey’s lap…..and that is the big problem that is driving all of this. None of this death spiral with skyrocketing costs for players would be happening without it, and development would still be a thing.

The SEC was by far the most powerful and influential seat at the table when all these new rules around the portal and NIL were being crafted. They could have drawn a line in the sand regarding the portal. But no, they actually liked the idea of their members being able to get better quickly by plucking a hotshot QB or DE from the G5 or lower tier P5 schools….without that player having to sit. They wanted to be able to bring a gun to a knife fight in the transfer recruiting scene, without realizing at all that the B1G was going to be bringing nuclear weapons to the same knife fight.

Just complete idiocy for shortsighted / short term gains. Absolutely destroyed the SEC’s status in college football, and destroyed college football in general as we know it.
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Limiting player movement to schools doesn’t survive the courts either.
 
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