What will it take…
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Rising inflation:
Breaking Down Inflation Under Trump vs. Biden
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In Trump’s first term, inflation stayed relatively subdued and often below the Federal Reserve’s 2% target, supported by stable supply chains and lower energy costs.
joblessness, stocks
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422 days into Donald Trump's term GDP grew at 0.7% per year in the fourth quarter. Inflation is at 3.0% . The unemployment rate is 4.4% . The S&P 500 is up 11.0% since he took office.
mortgage interest rates
Mortgage rates have fallen under Trump. Here's what that really means for home buyers.
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Buying a house has been unaffordable for many Americans in recent years due to a one-two punch of elevated mortgage rates and a low inventory, which has pushed up home prices to record highs. But over the course of 2025, one part of the cost of housing has eased, if only slightly: between January and December 2025, mortgage rates have gone down.
*I'm posting these FACTS because the OP either couldn't find them or refuses to admit things aren't as bad under Trump as he claimed. At the very least, he couldn't offer us the better proposals to improve Trump’s results. That's why he ran off.
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We’ll see how long it lasts. Reacting to short term emotions is a Democrat trait, not a Republican one.
If that’s not sufficient for you, I’m more than ok with Venezuela, deportations (wish they’d increase), Iran, an end to the Israeli war in Gaza, degrading China, uncovering massive fraud within the Government hand out programs, ending USAID, and pretty much all of the major policy initiatives undertaken by Trump’s presidency. By extension, that means I’m ok with the short term pain you listed above (though it’s not all accurate). And still, given his Presidency, and a possible Harris/Walz alternative, which has to be considered in these type of questions, yea, I’m good.
What would it take for me to change my mind? I’m not sure, because I believe the overwhelming majority of what is occurring is in the best long term interests of the country.
As always, well spoken (presented) concise, accurate and unarguable facts. That bot didn't get what he was hoping for when he started his "drive-by" post on Trump. He won't be back until he gets his next media fed Democrat talking points.
I thought you didn't want to hear about Biden? You spent half a dozen posts in this thread telling us he wasn't relevant. Funny how that changed so quickly.
And I remember Trump's 1st term when you and your tribe told us for 3 years Trump's economy sucked until it could no longer be denied. The you credited Obama for it 3 years later.
Plus I remember them all saying creepy Joe would fix the economy Trump had "screwed up" totally ignoring the shutdown caused by the fake pandemic. How did that work out for us?
Bidenflation
Wha...what's that?
Don't tell us 'ya don't even remember creepy Joe????
The final accounting on 'Bidenflation'
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Inflation turned out to be the surprise villain of Joe Biden’s four-year presidency. It arrived with little warning in 2021, hit a 40-year high in 2022, and undoubtedly contributed to Vice President Kamala Harris’s loss in the 2024 presidential election. Overall inflation was 21.2% during the four years Biden was in office, with the latest data from December 2024. Earnings rose by 19.4% during that time. So the typical family did, in fact, fall behind during Biden’s presidency. Prices rose by more than earnings, which means a typical paycheck bought less at the end than it did at the beginning.
*Voters trusted Donald Trump more on inflation, and the data backs them up. During Trump’s first presidential term, earnings rose by less than under Biden, but inflation was far lower, so the typical family got ahead. Inflation rose 7.9% during Trump’s four years, while earnings grew by 15.4%.
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I think most anticipated a slow burn for the tariffs to take hold. Today’s sharp increase in the PPI is starting to show that they are finally making their way through the system. Same for CPI, rising as well. This, coupled with a slowing job market, an ongoing war, a regime change in Venezuela, a declining stock market, and rising interest rates, are all signs of a struggling economy. Oh, and what about the Republican Health Care Plan? Oh wait, they don’t have one. For all that bluster by Mike Johnson and the Republicans how Obamacare was the worst plan ever, even though it has helped insure many Americans who otherwise would have nothing, they have yet to come up with their own plan. In fact, I can’t remember the last time they even mentioned it. They are hoping everyone forgets another one of their broken promises. As for mentioning Biden, it was to make a point on timing. Continuing to blame Biden for all the economic problems has got to stop at some point. It’s Trump’s economy now.
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So every indicator YOU mentioned in your op blaming "Trump's economy" for alleged poor performance is better now than before he was re-elected. Every single one! (I posted the facts ITT because you refused to)
If what was posted is accurate, then what the Hell are you complaining about?
@Cheers not sure what his point is
It was Trump’s economy almost from jump. You can point to specific economic decisions the admin made out of the gate for him to own it. No blaming Biden here, at least not from me. The comparison would be against what a Harris / Waltz administration would look like. To me at least, just seeing what’s transpired in Minn is enough for me to recognize the country made the right decision.
And as I said, I agree with the bulk of the policy decisions. I actually expected a lot of prices to increase when we stopped subsidizing the labor force with illegals. Housing costs go up as a result. But, that’s fine to me, I’d much rather not be contributing to the human trafficking that was occurring. But also, getting 20 million people out of the country that aren’t supposed to be here? Entry level homes should become available at a large rate. Getting rid of 20 million people who shouldn’t be here should reduce dependencies on federal programs.
How many domestic policies are contributing to some of the downturns? Like $30 minimum wage? That’s causing jobs to be slashed, as an example.
The most bold thing that we should do is pull Narcan off the street to let the zombies burn out.
Again, all the Left can do is complain about Trump, but you'll never hear them detail what works better? You pointed it out. We all know what we voted for and got with Trump. Leftists to this day even refuse to recognize what a dud that Harris/Waltz ticket was! However each and every one of 'em voted for it. Why?
They are only just now begrudgingly admitting Biden was an auto pen flop, but that's only so they can feel free to criticize Trump's performance without being labeled total hypocrites. (the "everybody does it defense") They never criticized Biden while he couldn't find his auto pen, they only call him out now because they know he didn't have a clue what was being signed in his name?
Even given that, no matter how much whining and complaining about Trump's results today they squeal over, you will NEVER hear any one of them tell you who or what they support that's measurably better?
NEVER.
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Thank you for acknowledging that it is Trump’s economy, including the warts. Many on this forum do not agree with you. One in particular said it would take one year, hence my comment. And I don’t disagree with all the Trump Administration’s policies either. I’m ok with stopping illegal immigration. I am not in favor of how ICE has been weaponized against illegals and citizens alike. I think their methods for capturing and removing illegals are barbaric. We are better than that. Unfortunately, I see more of the same with “Markwayne” taking charge. That guy is about as unhinged as it comes. I’m sure he’ll want to fight me for saying that. Lol
Did you vote for Harris/Waltz? If so why? If not, who was offering what you thought then was better than Trump's agenda? If you don't answer, isn't that why you can't? (no one had a better agenda)
@Cheers
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for every complaint you hear from the Left over Trump, you will never hear anything or anyone from them with a better agenda.
Never.
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You know, it wouldn’t be like that with ICE if the local law enforcement wasn’t being banned from enforcing federal law. This could and is supposed to be a cooperative arrangement. But, activists doxxing ICE, actively inhibiting enforcement, and subverting enforcement efforts ramp up the tactics. It’s not like they’re just gonna not do the job. But also, the increase in posture is exactly what the activists and anti-ICE crowd wants. They need and want the optics to change and shape public opinion. So, again, they’re not supposed to be here to begin with, they can self-deport, but regardless, I don’t really care. I wasn’t one that just wanted the criminals out. I want all the illegals out. Then, we process control who comes in. Zero people could be given a path to citizenship, I don’t care how long they’ve been here.
People have a right to protest, regardless of whether you agree with their position. I saw what happened, how they were treated, and I read the Trump and ICE narrative following the murders. It was complete BS and disgraceful. I also saw how others in the crowd were treated with intimidation and violence. We handled these protesters like they do in North Korea, Russia, and China. No difference whatsoever. Do Better Trump.
They DO NOT have a right to interfere with Federal Law enforcement officers executing legal deportation orders! They're lucky they weren't "protesting" in Iran! However considering how much your loser side wants them to to prevail against Trump, you'd probably be OK with protestors being shot dead on sight.
@Cheers you're on here complaining about Trump's failures, but who did you vote for in '24? Why can't you answer that? Why is it easier for you to complain about Trump than it is for you to say who or what you voted for as an alternative?
You must be so embarrassed over that vote you cast for Harris/Waltz. Trump was worse to you?
You must be so embarrassed over that vote you cast for Harris/Waltz. Trump was worse to you?
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If you believe they were justified in murdering the two individuals for their actions, then you must agree that HUNDREDS of the January 6th “protesters” should have been gunned down. Their violent and criminal behavior was MUCH WORSE than what happened in Minneapolis.They DO NOT have a right to interfere with Federal Law enforcement officers executing legal deportation orders! They're lucky they weren't "protesting" in Iran! However considering how much your loser side wants them to to prevail against Trump, you'd probably be OK with protestors being shot dead on sight.
Really? How many rocks, frozen water bottles, cinder blocks, or Molotov cocktails were thrown at Federal officers during the January 6th "protests"? How many Federal officers protecting the Capitol building were blocked or restricted? The videos I saw were those same Officers allowing the "protestors" inside the Capitol building! Tell me, what did these "violent" protestors do once they got inside the Capitol building? Who did they attack? What weapons were they carrying, or what were they throwing around once inside?
What do you think would happen to you if you stepped into the middle of police arresting a suspect, or apprehending a known criminal? You attack police officers, their first response is to protect their safety. You attack them with deadly force (a car trying to mow them down) you bet your sweet azz you're going to be stopped with deadly force!
My Lord you're such a media spoon fed bot.
It's clear to me @DvlDog4WVU ...those Leftist activists don't want the mass deportations, any less than they don't want voter I.D. and proof of American citizenship before voting! Why not?
Because Leftists know they can't win unless they cheat, and they can't cheat unless they have millions of illegal voters to cheat with! The only thing more infuriating than that is their refusal to be honest with their true reasons for "protesting" I.D.s for American only voters and mass deportations of all illegals in this country!
They lie so much about either, they can't even fake their dishonesty suggesting any other viable reason for their universal opposition to both.
For your viewing pleasure. For you to defend the actions of this violent mob, and to LIE, MOCK and SLANDER the brave, law-abiding officers who were beaten severely defending the capital, some sustaining career and life-changing injuries by this mob, is DISGRACEFUL. You should be ashamed of yourself.Really? How many rocks, frozen water bottles, cinder blocks, or Molotov cocktails were thrown at Federal officers during the January 6th "protests"? How many Federal officers protecting the Capitol building were blocked or restricted? The videos I saw were those same Officers allowing the "protestors" inside the Capitol building! Tell me, what did these "violent" protestors do once they got inside the Capitol building? Who did they attack? What weapons were they carrying, or what were they throwing around once inside?
What do you think would happen to you if you stepped into the middle of police arresting a suspect, or apprehending a known criminal? You attack police officers, their first response is to protect their safety. You attack them with deadly force (a car trying to mow them down) you bet your sweet azz you're going to be stopped with deadly force!
My Lord you're such a media spoon fed bot.
20 days is a on going war ? Sorry this is not a video game . Not government responsibility to provide medical coverage to begin with .
I hate war as much as any person . This had to happen, plain and simple and now is the right time .
I knew the tariffs would cause some pain but getting jobs , decent paying, non service or government jobs is more important than anything I can think of . Deportation is needed for more reasons than getting criminals off our streets. how many people have died at the hands of illegals? Will definitely help relieve the burden on the welfare system , school system and hospitals just to name a few .
So as of right now im content with the way I voted and I know with out of doubt this administration is light years better the word salad ..
My wife a nurse says after the 2nd narcan shot we should let it happen
Barbaric..... really.....its Barbaric that they was allowed in to over run our communities. Do what ever it takes to get rid of the invaders. Many hate this country and the constitution does not apply to them or any other illegal.
People are allowed to PEACEFUL protest..... definition matter...
lol, ok. These were not peaceful protests and 2 people were not murdered. The protests were setting siege to a Federal building, which again, if local LEOs were doing their job, should never happen. These people are dead because of the policies of the local and state Governments.
Alex Pretti had a firearm misfire during an altercation with a cop that led to his being shot and killed. Also, the day before, he was armed and kicked out the tail light on a federal vehicle. His death was unfortunate, but a result of his own actions.
The lady was shot because she used her car as a weapon against law enforcement, effectively trying to drag an officer when he was going to make an arrest of her. Which mind you, like 2 weeks before the officer was dragged by another person for like 100 yards by a car.
These protesters are far exceeding the line of acceptable behavior for peaceful protesting. I have no issue if they want to sit in a drum circle protest peacefully. I have zero compassion for what happens as a result of their stupidity and lawlessness. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
So, you’re doing the what about ism here that you were complaining about earlier and you’re reaching back 6 years to do it. Out of courtesy, I’ll address J6, but we can agree it’s irrelevant to the discussion. The applicable analogy, would actually be for you to defend the J6s in that their treatment was like China and North Korea, right?
One J6 person was beaten to death by an officer. One was killed who at the moment was posing no immediate threat to life. The officer just fired into the crowd. These are known facts.
As for the rest, no issues with all of them being arrested. I did have issues with their post arrest treatment, it was unconscionable. Also, you cannot discount the Federal Agent provocateurs that were in the crowd amping up and in what we’ve seen, initiated the outbreak of violence. The mob did what mobs do at that point, but again, same rules, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Ultimately, these people were used, no different than the left is using the people in Minneapolis and Portland. I’ve no tolerance for either side’s unruly behavior. Just behave.
Other posters have covered adequately what I would have said to you about J6, so I'll leave it alone. I asked you earlier ITT who you voted for in '24? Obviously you're dissatisfied with Trump's performance to date, but why haven't you explained what you wanted or voted for as an alternative?
At the very least, why can't you tell us who's offering what you now prefer instead of Trump's agenda, which I and many others are so far mostly satisfied with?
This will be my last post on the subject because we have all gone down a rabbit hole, and completely off point of the original question. Based on the videos and other evidence publicly available on both the J6 and Minneapolis incidents, if you can justify the actions of the federal agents in Minneapolis, then it would have been EQUALLY justified for the Capital police and other law enforcement officials to “neutralize” HUNDREDS of violent, weaponized, law-breaking protesters on J6. To argue otherwise is simply hypocritical. Thank God the Capital police and others had more restraint, even when their lives were CLEARLY at risk. Unfortunately, one woman lost her life while trying to break in to the chamber where Congress was in session.
I came here for your honest assessment and opinion on whether the wars, the economy, the markets, and lack of jobs has changed your opinion on the administration and clearly it hasn’t. And I agree, our options were not good. Hopefully we have MUCH BETTER candidates in 3 years.
It's going to be Vance and Rubio. So unless you plan on voting for whatever retard the Democrats run that's how it will go. VDS will be the disease the Democrats suffer from then.
Biden inflation 2021-2024 = 4.95
Trump inflation 2017-2020...2025-2026 =2.47
Mortgage rates increased slightly in mid-March, rising from a three-year low of less than 6% in Feb.
2024 Dec end Biden Dow Jones 43,639.
2025 Dec end Trump Dow Jones 48,371.
Most rational people are going to wait longer than 3 weeks to change their minds. That is the prudent thing to do. I was fine with almost everything going on other than the price of beef through February 2026.
Had you waited 3 or even 6 months, not 2 weeks, into this conflict to ask that question, it probably would have been better received. It is clear you have been itching for this to criticize Trump.
In case you haven't noticed, rising prices and inflation, rising unemployment, rising mortgage rates, high home prices, and a declining stock market. have been occurring since the 90's
It's liberals like yourself that ***** about the economy depending on who is in charge. Where were you for the past 35 to 40 years since China has been controlling our economy and most likely still are.
As long as it's not a liberal Socialist Marxist or our freedoms will be gone and you will not have to worry about such things.
Yea, I think I said I was fine with them being arrested, just like I’m fine with the treatment of the mobs in Portland and Minneapolis getting their comeuppance. I see them as the same. Unruly mobs, not peaceful protesters. You’re the one drawing distinctions based on political affiliation, which would seem hypocritical on your part.