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What are you suggesting that's being offered as a better alternative? Please be specific and who's proposing it?
Things were better when I was pretending to be in charge, but I can't seem to remember how?
How Democrats Blew It on Inflation
*article is behind a pay wall...so you must be a subscriber to the WSJ in order to read it. I would excerpt it for you Leftists, but you're already getting too many "freebies" from taxpayers, so either pay for it yourselves, or stay ignorant.
How Democrats Blew It on Inflation
*article is behind a pay wall...so you must be a subscriber to the WSJ in order to read it. I would excerpt it for you Leftists, but you're already getting too many "freebies" from taxpayers, so either pay for it yourselves, or stay ignorant.
That’s not the question but obviously at the moment we don’t have an alternative. He has three more years. So back to the question and I’ll even rephrase it a bit. Given the above, do you think Trump is doing a good job and if so, why?
Biden is gone, he was not good, so stay focused on the topic.Things were better when I was pretending to be in charge, but I can't seem to remember how?
How Democrats Blew It on Inflation
*article is behind a pay wall...so you must be a subscriber to the WSJ in order to read it. I would excerpt it for you Leftists, but you're already getting too many "freebies" from taxpayers, so either pay for it yourselves, or stay ignorant.
I'm copying the above linked article in part (but only for you Leftists convinced we were doing better under creepy Joe)
I know none of you will ever tell us why this was better than what we have now under Trump?
By Nick Timiraos
Nov. 17, 2024
President Biden hadn’t even been inaugurated when he and his senior advisers made a monumental gamble in January 2021 that would reverberate through his presidency. Fresh on the heels of a $900 billion Covid-relief bill that Congress had approved weeks earlier, Biden proposed a $1.9 trillion stimulus bill.
Biden and many of those advisers had been part of the Obama administration. Barack Obama took office under similarly gloomy circumstances in January 2009, during the low point of the global financial crisis. Years of high unemployment followed, with much of the world mired in a trap of low growth and very low—even negative—interest rates.
One lesson Democrats took from that episode: Spend aggressively when interest rates are low. It is better to overfill the cup than underfill it.
The result was the American Rescue Plan, a package that boosted a child tax credit, sent $1,400-per-person direct payments to households, and directed $350 billion to state and local governments.
Politically, those choices backfired. Billions of dollars in Covid-19 aid were already coursing through the economy, the aftereffect of bipartisan spending measures under Donald Trump. Strong demand from Biden’s additional fiscal stimulus, ultralow interest rates and a successful vaccine rollout ran headlong into crippled supply chains and discombobulated labor markets.
Bad luck piled on. New Covid variants, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and China’s Covid-related lockdowns continued to upend global supply chains and commodity markets. Inflation soared in most of the world’s richest economies—across Europe, Canada, and Australia.
Democrats had bet voters would reward them for a strong labor market recovery with tangible gains for workers. Instead, those voters recoiled at the sudden cost-of-living increases. Consumer prices during Biden’s term have risen 20%, compared with 8% in Trump’s term.
“If inflation had been less severe in that first year, if it had peaked at a lower level, could Vice President Harris have survived that? My intuition is yes,” said Michael Strain, head of economic-policy studies at the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute.
On Election Day, roughly 40% of voters said the economy was their top issue, far outstripping any other. Those voters backed Trump by a 22-percentage-point margin. Inflation has declined without a recession, but many were thinking instead about how prices are still high.
Critics say the White House could have done more to cut deficits that were unprecedented for a peacetime economy with low unemployment. Instead, the administration passed several pieces of legislation that boosted spending on infrastructure and clean-energy investments, including the Inflation Reduction Act in 2022.
I know none of you will ever tell us why this was better than what we have now under Trump?
By Nick Timiraos
Nov. 17, 2024
In avoiding the missteps that followed the 2008-09 financial crisis, officials made new mistakes that led to political defeat
President Biden hadn’t even been inaugurated when he and his senior advisers made a monumental gamble in January 2021 that would reverberate through his presidency. Fresh on the heels of a $900 billion Covid-relief bill that Congress had approved weeks earlier, Biden proposed a $1.9 trillion stimulus bill.
Biden and many of those advisers had been part of the Obama administration. Barack Obama took office under similarly gloomy circumstances in January 2009, during the low point of the global financial crisis. Years of high unemployment followed, with much of the world mired in a trap of low growth and very low—even negative—interest rates.
One lesson Democrats took from that episode: Spend aggressively when interest rates are low. It is better to overfill the cup than underfill it.
The result was the American Rescue Plan, a package that boosted a child tax credit, sent $1,400-per-person direct payments to households, and directed $350 billion to state and local governments.
Politically, those choices backfired. Billions of dollars in Covid-19 aid were already coursing through the economy, the aftereffect of bipartisan spending measures under Donald Trump. Strong demand from Biden’s additional fiscal stimulus, ultralow interest rates and a successful vaccine rollout ran headlong into crippled supply chains and discombobulated labor markets.
Bad luck piled on. New Covid variants, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and China’s Covid-related lockdowns continued to upend global supply chains and commodity markets. Inflation soared in most of the world’s richest economies—across Europe, Canada, and Australia.
Democrats had bet voters would reward them for a strong labor market recovery with tangible gains for workers. Instead, those voters recoiled at the sudden cost-of-living increases. Consumer prices during Biden’s term have risen 20%, compared with 8% in Trump’s term.
“If inflation had been less severe in that first year, if it had peaked at a lower level, could Vice President Harris have survived that? My intuition is yes,” said Michael Strain, head of economic-policy studies at the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute.
On Election Day, roughly 40% of voters said the economy was their top issue, far outstripping any other. Those voters backed Trump by a 22-percentage-point margin. Inflation has declined without a recession, but many were thinking instead about how prices are still high.
Critics say the White House could have done more to cut deficits that were unprecedented for a peacetime economy with low unemployment. Instead, the administration passed several pieces of legislation that boosted spending on infrastructure and clean-energy investments, including the Inflation Reduction Act in 2022.
I am focused. Tell me what I should be voting for that's better, and who's offering a better plan? What are you criticizing current conditions for if you have no better alternative? If you have a better alternative, let's hear who it's from and what it is?
Otherwise shut up.
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Obviously it was so much better under Biden, Obama, and Bush. Not to mention how awesome things would be under Harris and Walz. Who exactly do you think could do a better job right now?
You cannot answer the question. All you can do is Blame Biden. Biden was BAD. I Agree. So quit bringing up Biden. Given the above, rising inflation, rising unemployment, rising mortgage rates, etc. what would it take for your opinion of him to change? Please stay on topic and please be specific.I'm copying the above linked article in part (but only for you Leftists convinced we were doing better under creepy Joe)
I know none of you will ever tell us why this was better than what we have now under Trump?
By Nick Timiraos
Nov. 17, 2024
In avoiding the missteps that followed the 2008-09 financial crisis, officials made new mistakes that led to political defeat
President Biden hadn’t even been inaugurated when he and his senior advisers made a monumental gamble in January 2021 that would reverberate through his presidency. Fresh on the heels of a $900 billion Covid-relief bill that Congress had approved weeks earlier, Biden proposed a $1.9 trillion stimulus bill.
Biden and many of those advisers had been part of the Obama administration. Barack Obama took office under similarly gloomy circumstances in January 2009, during the low point of the global financial crisis. Years of high unemployment followed, with much of the world mired in a trap of low growth and very low—even negative—interest rates.
One lesson Democrats took from that episode: Spend aggressively when interest rates are low. It is better to overfill the cup than underfill it.
The result was the American Rescue Plan, a package that boosted a child tax credit, sent $1,400-per-person direct payments to households, and directed $350 billion to state and local governments.
Politically, those choices backfired. Billions of dollars in Covid-19 aid were already coursing through the economy, the aftereffect of bipartisan spending measures under Donald Trump. Strong demand from Biden’s additional fiscal stimulus, ultralow interest rates and a successful vaccine rollout ran headlong into crippled supply chains and discombobulated labor markets.
Bad luck piled on. New Covid variants, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and China’s Covid-related lockdowns continued to upend global supply chains and commodity markets. Inflation soared in most of the world’s richest economies—across Europe, Canada, and Australia.
Democrats had bet voters would reward them for a strong labor market recovery with tangible gains for workers. Instead, those voters recoiled at the sudden cost-of-living increases. Consumer prices during Biden’s term have risen 20%, compared with 8% in Trump’s term.
“If inflation had been less severe in that first year, if it had peaked at a lower level, could Vice President Harris have survived that? My intuition is yes,” said Michael Strain, head of economic-policy studies at the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute.
On Election Day, roughly 40% of voters said the economy was their top issue, far outstripping any other. Those voters backed Trump by a 22-percentage-point margin. Inflation has declined without a recession, but many were thinking instead about how prices are still high.
Critics say the White House could have done more to cut deficits that were unprecedented for a peacetime economy with low unemployment. Instead, the administration passed several pieces of legislation that boosted spending on infrastructure and clean-energy investments, including the Inflation Reduction Act in 2022.
No, Biden was bad but two things can be true. Biden Bad, Trump Bad. What would it take for you to change your opinion on Trump. Because clearly the economy is going in the WRONG direction.
Give us your names of who you want or this thread is nonsense.
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You have nothing to justify your opinion other than Biden was worse. So far, Trump has not delivered on fixing the economy among other things. So Biden AND Trump are poor choices as Presidents. In three years, hopefully we have better choices.
The economy isn't going in the wrong direction. Who do you want as President or STFU with make believe world.
Yes, I think he's doing an excellent job.
Specifically there are literally hundreds of billions of dollars in record new investments in this economy unheard of in recent history. Those investments represent our economic future. There's never been a time when so much Capital has been allocated to our future economic expansion!
The American economy continues to demonstrate remarkable strength and resilience through unprecedented investment activity in 2025
Secondly, our once open border, that was being overrun with unvetted and unverified illegal aliens has been shut down and secured to record low levels of illegal crossings. It's the safest border in our history!
Border Crossings Once Again at a Record Low in November 2025
Finally, America stands as the pre-eminent Military power on the planet, and the greatest force for World peace in history. No other American President has advanced the cause of World Peace as effectively as Trump, and he's not even finished.
Trump: The Greatest Peacemaker on Earth
Now I'll ask you again, what are the better alternatives to what I've briefly outlined here and offered factual backup? If you can't answer in a similar way with your factual data in support of what you believe are better alternatives from a better candidate, then stop posting and more importantly, STOP COMPLAINING!
It's not my opinion Biden was worse, it's a fact. You are not only dead wrong about Trump, you STILL can't tell me what's a better option? Read my previous post (#14) directly answering you on at least 3 ways I believe Trump has been a fabulous President. If you disagree, then kindly point out the factual errors in what I've presented.
If you don't or can't...I'm moving on.
Quit dodging the question. You are unwilling to admit that under Trump, the economy “so far” is going in the wrong direction. Biden was Bad, Trump is Bad. In three years, I hope we have MUCH BETTER options but who that will be I have no idea nor do you. So one more time, given the declining economy, what would it take for you to change your opinion on Trump?
We should elect AOC next. That way people can experience some real pain.
I'm so tired of these "drive-by" Leftists Gunny....again they never engage. They only complain. They never offer better alternatives, and they're the biggest whinners on Earth. Honestly I've tried to engage them, it's pointless. This one here is just the latest so filled with Trump hate, he can't even tell us what we should be doing better?
I'm done with him, and them!
You should answer your own question, since you have no better alternatives.
I'm not dodging any questions goofball. Trump is doing a great job in the big picture. Imagine what he could accomplish if the entire New Democrat Party in Congress wasn't working for the CCP.
Vance and Rubio will be your next President and Vice President. Do you have someone else you want?
The material you provided is rather dated but I will give you credit on the border. The other two articles do not reflect the economy or world TODAY. A lot has changed in the past 7 months. We’re at war, unemployment is rising, wages are declining, interest rates are rising, and the stock market is declining. You have answered my question indirectly. Nothing would change your opinion of Trump.Yes, I think he's doing an excellent job.
Specifically there are literally hundreds of billions of dollars in record new investments in this economy unheard of in recent history. Those investments represent our economic future. There's never been a time when so much Capital has been allocated to our future economic expansion!
The American economy continues to demonstrate remarkable strength and resilience through unprecedented investment activity in 2025
Secondly, our once open border, that was being overrun with unvetted and unverified illegal aliens has been shut down and secured to record low levels of illegal crossings. It's the safest border in our history!
Border Crossings Once Again at a Record Low in November 2025
Finally, America stands as the pre-eminent Military power on the planet, and the greatest force for World peace in history. No other American President has advanced the cause of World Peace as effectively as Trump, and he's not even finished.
Trump: The Greatest Peacemaker on Earth
Now I'll ask you again, what are the better alternatives to what I've briefly outlined here and offered factual backup? If you can't answer in a similar way with your factual data in support of what you believe are better alternatives from a better candidate, then stop posting and more importantly, STOP COMPLAINING!
Democrats are willing to hurt Americans and make something as simple as flying difficult by not funding DHS. They can spare me the Trump hate. Their hate is obviously much deeper he's just the one in the way right now.
Tell me more about Trump being the problem.
www.foxnews.com
Almost 200 House Dems vote against deporting people who commit welfare fraud
House Republicans approved a bill targeting noncitizens who commit fraud despite Democratic opposition. The measure faces an uphill battle in the Senate.
www.foxnews.com
Almost 200 House Dems vote against deporting people who commit welfare fraud
Rep. Dave Taylor's Deporting Fraudsters Act passes despite Democratic opposition, faces uphill battle in Senate
And you sadly have offered nothing in return except whining. So carry on.
@Cheers ....so unhappy there's no alternative to Trump
Whining? Anyone who presents FACTS that you disagree with is whining? Ok.And you sadly have offered nothing in return except whining. So carry on.
@Cheers ....so unhappy there's no alternative to Trump
No my friend anyone who doesn't present facts as alternatives to what they're b-i-t-c-h-i-n-g about is whining. So keep it up since you have nothing else to offer.Whining? Anyone who presents FACTS that you disagree with is whining? Ok.
@Cheers ....can't handle Trump
Give him a break...he's got 3 more years of me!
Don't say that DJT....you'll just make him cry some more!
You might want to look up the definition of whining. I don’t believe you understand what it means.No my friend anyone who doesn't present facts as alternatives to what they're b-i-t-c-h-i-n-g about is whining. So keep it up since you have nothing else to offer.
@Cheers ....can't handle Trump
Give him a break...he's got 3 more years of me!
Don't say that DJT....you'll just make him cry some more!
You might want to look up what represents facts....since you can't seem to find any.
OK @Cheers quick test for 'ya.
You mentioned inflation is higher, so is it higher now than it was just a year ago (before Trump took office)?
You said wages are low & unemployment is high...are they (wages) lower now than they were before Trump came into office? Is unemployment higher now or lower than before Trump was sworn in?
You said housing and mortgage rates are higher. Are they higher now than before Trump took over?
You said the stock market is declining. Is it lower now than when before Trump took over?
* find the facts for your answer,(s) if you even will answer any of these?
@Cheers ...looking for the facts
You mentioned inflation is higher, so is it higher now than it was just a year ago (before Trump took office)?
You said wages are low & unemployment is high...are they (wages) lower now than they were before Trump came into office? Is unemployment higher now or lower than before Trump was sworn in?
You said housing and mortgage rates are higher. Are they higher now than before Trump took over?
You said the stock market is declining. Is it lower now than when before Trump took over?
* find the facts for your answer,(s) if you even will answer any of these?
@Cheers ...looking for the facts
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No, I gave you actual facts, you just choose to ignore them. You can look them up for yourself. And you most certainly do not know the definition of whining because you are using the term incorrectly. And your childish memes do nothing to strengthen your credibility.
Now you’re angry. I asked you and others a very simple question, in a very polite and civil manner. It resulted in name calling, insults and hostility on your part. And you wonder why people don’t come here and debate more often. You call them flybys. It’s because this is how opposing views are treated. Name calling, labeling, vulgarity, hostility. Why would anyone want to spend time here if opposing views are not tolerated? It’s a form of censorship. Have a wonderful evening.
For two weeks. his economy has rocked until now.
i won’t ask what it would take to change your opinion of President Trump because nothing will. I wouldn't be surprised if you still think he said white supremacists are very fine people.
All you were asked for was better alternatives? You've consistently pushed your "mute" button even on the things YOU claimed Trump has failed in! Not only did you refuse to factually answer the questions you were asked in post #30, those were your own markers of Trump's alleged "failures" and you couldn't even admit on every single one, it's better now than before he was sworn in!
Good go away, you're a total waste of time and fully engorged with TDS.
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You could have just said Orange Man Bad and saved everyone some time.
“His” economy? I recall people still blaming Biden for the economy over the past year. It seems that people are very selective on who gets credit or blame. I recall asking this very forum WHEN does it become Trump’s economy and it was stated one year. Well here we are. I am not here to argue that Biden was better, he wasn’t, but Trump is doing a poor job in regards to the economy, too. They are both bad presidents in their own way. America deserves better.
He won't answer you. He's another "drive-by poster" on the Left, filled with TDS....incredulous over why a person he hates so much still has so much support? He can't understand it, because all he ever hears from his media mind controllers is that Trump is a reprobate, a war monger, and a total disaster.
That's his reality, and he brings that brainwashed mind control caca to this board, gets challenged with hard facts, and then complains how no one is treating him "nice".
Big baby
Using your own measurements in your OP, what do the facts indicate about how Trump's performed? Why can't you answer that?
(copied from post #30)
OK @Cheers quick test for 'ya.
You mentioned inflation is higher, so is it higher now than it was just a year ago (before Trump took office)?
You said wages are low & unemployment is high...are they (wages) lower now than they were before Trump came into office? Is unemployment higher now or lower than before Trump was sworn in?
You said housing and mortgage rates are higher. Are they higher now than before Trump took over?
You said the stock market is declining. Is it lower now than when before Trump took over?
* find the facts for your answer,(s) if you even will answer any of these?