Why are older people so opposed to bringing back Rick Pitino?

Gobigblue812812

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A back to back big east champion as a bridge coach is below us now?

Why do older UK fans have so much pride with Rick Pitino? I don't understand

He came in while we were on probation and he went out on top.

He didn't die a slow death at UK like other coaches have done.
 

KentuckyMildCats

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I'm 33

But...

The Resume speaks for itself
  • 2× NCAA National Champion head coach
  • 7× Final Four appearances as a head coach
  • 10+ conference tournament championships
  • 10+ regular season conference championships
  • Led three different programs to the Final Four (first coach to accomplish this)
  • Led five different programs to the NCAA Tournament
  • One of the few coaches to reach the Final Four at three different schools
  • Over 800 career coaching wins (college level)
  • Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame inductee (2013)
  • Multiple National Coach of the Year awards
  • Known for pioneering full-court pressing defenses and high-tempo offenses
  • Developed dozens of NBA players and first-round draft picks
  • Successfully rebuilt multiple struggling programs into national contenders within a few seasons

Alot of older people I've talked to laugh at me when I propose this. I was a child when he won here and a teenager during the Louisville scandal. So I don’t really understand why someone with this resume who wants to coach here is opposed by a lot of older UK fans.

We're the 9th best basketball team in the SEC. How are we above bringing him back? Please help me understand
Same age, and that was my choice when cal left, I wanted him to come back and win here and it be made into a movie. He could've had his coach in training on his staff when he retires.
 

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I gotta ask, do posters still want Hurley since he was the one blown out? How about Oats and Golden? My point is that we can't just take a coach because he had a good run of a year or two. Or, do posters disagree with that?
I, for one, never wanted Hurley. GO CATS!!
 
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You're saying that a coach who went 2-9 v. Coach Cal in the eight years their tenures overlapped, and is now 0-1 v. Mark Pope is clearly the better coach of the three, logically?

Apart from head to head wins, what is a better way of comparing coaching abilities?

Enlighten me.

So you are clearly arguing for the sake of arguing, are a troll, or has an overall loser mentality. 🤔

If Rick gets to a FF, you're response will be, at least Pope beat him in the regular season. Pope IS the better coach. Hardeeharharhar.

You are now enlightened.
 

UKCowboys

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He’s too old, he hired prostitutes for underage children in attempt to stop Calipari from kicking his teeth in year after year, he left on his own free will, he gave us the middle finger in Rupp, he just got smacked in the mouth by Pope THIS season. I mean idk, could be a few reasons. 🤷🏼‍♂️
Yeah, there's that lol
 
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Eight_Banners

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So you are clearly arguing for the sake of arguing, are a troll, or has an overall loser mentality. 🤔

If Rick gets to a FF, you're response will be, at least Pope beat him in the regular season. Pope IS the better coach. Hardeeharharhar.

You are now enlightened.
You are pining for the loser, not me. If Pitino makes it to the Final Four, it doesn't erase his losing record against UK over the last 16 years.

I am not saying Pope is necessarily the better coach, but he beat Pitino this season with a team many on here are calling worse than the 9-16 team, a team they hate more than any they've seen in their lifetime, possibly the worst in Kentucky history, etc.

If Pitino is a better coach than Pope, he probably should have beaten Pope coaching this year's Kentucky team.
 

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You are pining for the loser, not me. If Pitino makes it to the Final Four, it doesn't erase his losing record against UK over the last 16 years.

I am not saying Pope is necessarily the better coach, but he beat Pitino this season with a team many on here are calling worse than the 9-16 team, a team they hate more than any they've seen in their lifetime, possibly the worst in Kentucky history, etc.

If Pitino is a better coach than Pope, he probably should have beaten Pope coaching this year's Kentucky team.

So if a coach loses to any other coach, the other coach is better?

So Charlie Weatherbie is a better coach than Nick Saban. Got it.
 
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Cerberus

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Believe me folks those were great times when Rick was here! If you didn’t experience it it’s hard to describe especially coming off the lowest of lows of probation. Rick made his bed and left and in my opinion there is no going back. Just coaching he is without a doubt one of best ever!
 

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So, you think that he was completely clueless about the prostitutes? If so, that says more about him than if he did know about it.
Yes, and that fbi phone tap where he offerd some player $500,000 or something like that.....totally made up by the federales. 😆
Im.not sure why we have so many people hellbent on trying to repeat the past. He's a better coach than Pope but the dude isn't the same coach that he was in 1996. He's just not.
 
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I'm wasn't opposed to it, and I'd support bringing him back.

Episode 9 Grandpa Simpson GIF by The Simpsons
 

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How about this reason: because there’s no chance in hell it will actually happen. Aside from all the reasons we shouldn’t bring Pitino back, there’s no way the current UK Administration would do it.

It’s kind of like saying, “Why are so many old fans against hiring Pat Riley?”.
 

wildcatdon

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You are pining for the loser, not me. If Pitino makes it to the Final Four, it doesn't erase his losing record against UK over the last 16 years.

I am not saying Pope is necessarily the better coach, but he beat Pitino this season with a team many on here are calling worse than the 9-16 team, a team they hate more than any they've seen in their lifetime, possibly the worst in Kentucky history, etc.

If Pitino is a better coach than Pope, he probably should have beaten Pope coaching this year's Kentucky team.
If they played tomorrow, St. John’s would win.
 

Eight_Banners

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So if a coach loses to any other coach, the other coach is better?

So Charlie Weatherbie is a better coach than Nick Saban. Got it.
We ran Calipari off because he wasn't getting it done. He was 9-2 v. Pitino. If Charlie Weatherbie was 9-2 against Saban, Weatherbie is the better coach. Also, Weatherbie beat Saban in Saban's first season taking over Alabama

All I'm saying is Pitino has been terrible against UK since Calipari showed up in 2009, including losing to Pope this year with what most consider a bad team by UK standards.
If they played tomorrow, St. John’s would win.
How much would you put on your prediction?
 
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The best solution at this point is for Pitino to join Pope as GM or some other title that would put him adjacent to Pope, not beneath him. He obviously isn’t going to be an assistant and he’s not taking the head coaching job at Pope’s expense.

All of that said, personally, I would welcome him back on any capacity and he would be a huge benefit.
 

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It would be an exercise in desperation for UK to even be mentioned entertaining the thought!

UK needs a younger, PROVEN coach, that’s ready to go on a 10-15+ year run, and leave the failed Pope experiment to die in the shadows.

And that’s the only issue I have with Bruce Pearl, UK doesn’t need (or want) to have multiple coaching changes in a single decade, because again, it gives the impression of desperation and lack of stability.
 

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Not sure what your calling older, but I'm 67, and bring Rick Pitino on, if Pope fails yr 3. I'm all for Pitino, I'm rooting for him in the tourny. And would like to see Cal do good also. The older I get the more basketball is just not as important. I hope all the old coach's do good there last year's coaching.
Go cats
 
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We ran Calipari off because he wasn't getting it done. He was 9-2 v. Pitino. If Charlie Weatherbie was 9-2 against Saban, Weatherbie is the better coach. Also, Weatherbie beat Saban in Saban's first season taking over Alabama

All I'm saying is Pitino has been terrible against UK since Calipari showed up in 2009, including losing to Pope this year with what most consider a bad team by UK standards.

How much would you put on your prediction?

Stop moving the goal posts. First year or not, BAMA had WAAAAAY more talent than Louisiana Monroe. That ULM team was 6-6 that year.

Pope is 1-0 vs Pitino

"If Pitino is a better coach than Pope, he probably should have beaten Pope coaching this year's Kentucky team."

Weatherbie was 1-0 vs Saban.

If "Saban" is a better coach than "Weatherbie", he probably should have beaten Weatherbie coaching that year's University of Louisiana Monroe team."

See what I did there?
 

Eight_Banners

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Stop moving the goal posts. First year or not, BAMA had WAAAAAY more talent than Louisiana Monroe. That ULM team was 6-6 that year.

Pope is 1-0 vs Pitino

"If Pitino is a better coach than Pope, he probably should have beaten Pope coaching this year's Kentucky team."

Weatherbie was 1-0 vs Saban.

If "Saban" is a better coach than "Weatherbie", he probably should have beaten Weatherbie coaching that year's University of Louisiana Monroe team."

See what I did there?
Who had more talent between UK and St. John's this year?
 

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Even if we wanted Pitino back, I think we’d see pigs fly before he accepted the job after/if we got rid of Pope. That’s one of his guys he endorsed to be here. Would he really basically slap Pope in the face and take over after Pope was forced out?
I feel like we’d have a better chance of hiring golden and Hurley as his assistant before that would happen
 

Eight_Banners

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Stop moving the goal posts. First year or not, BAMA had WAAAAAY more talent than Louisiana Monroe. That ULM team was 6-6 that year.

Pope is 1-0 vs Pitino

"If Pitino is a better coach than Pope, he probably should have beaten Pope coaching this year's Kentucky team."

Weatherbie was 1-0 vs Saban.

If "Saban" is a better coach than "Weatherbie", he probably should have beaten Weatherbie coaching that year's University of Louisiana Monroe team."

See what I did there?
I'm not "moving the goal posts." Using logic created by the mentality of this message board, if Saban is a better coach than Weatherbie , he probably should have beaten Weatherbie coaching the 2007 Louisiana-Monroe team, if that Louisiana-Monroe team was the worst in program history.

In the opinion of this message board, Calipari was not good enough to continue coaching here. In his tenure, however, he was 9-2 against Rick Pitino, the coach this particular thread is clamoring over. Mark Pope, UK's current coach, also beat Pitino this season, with what many on here call the worst team they have seen put on the Kentucky uniform, worse even than the 9-16 team of 2021.

The question asked is, "Why are older people so opposed to bringing Pitino back?" My rebuttal question is, "Why bring back a coach that can't beat the current or former coach?" Pitino has shown no reason why he would be atop our list of coaches, simply by his record against us over the last sixteen years. That is not including all the off the court issues.

Is Mark Pope the better coach? Personally, I don't think he will ever come close to a lifetime resume of Pitino. Is he the better coach right now? Well, he won the head to head matchup against him this year, and Pitino has stunk against UK in recent history. Plus, Pitino's seventy-three years old, come with tons of baggage, and should not be on anyone's top ten list. I would not take him over Pope, because I don't think it significantly increases the current product, and potentially sets us back even further.
 
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He already sold out for the Boston Celtics! Thats why I dont want Pitino back.... He had the keys to Glory