Travis Perry: So why exactly did he transfer out ?

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He took less money to go. He was ahead of the curve on Pope. And it's working for him. He actually improved over the course of the season. He didn't last season. Nor did any of the others. If anything they regressed.

UK was always Perry's dream school. I would bet that if we get a new coach Perry will transfer back here.
Absolutely believe Perry’s dad and him saw the writing on the wall and rolled out. Kentucky just doesn’t lose guys they’re trying to keep to Ole Miss. but it’s just another thing the usual suspects will ignore. Nothing matters, Pope is doing great and nothing that happens means anything.

Some of it is confirmation bias to the 10th degree. We all do it, but some not as much as others.
 
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He probably didn’t want to be the 6 or 7th player in the backcourt depth chart.

Williams, Johnson, Aberdeen, Chandler, Lowe, and Oweh all figured to be ahead of him in the backcourt. Noah would have competed with him for minutes as well.
 

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It was never made clear. He did not put out a press release when he left like most players and coaches do so I am assuming he did not leave on good terms.
His choice and I wish him the best.
He and his dad think he is a lot better than he actually is and Chris Beard played into that and told them what they wanted to hear. I thought he could potentially contribute here eventually but I see no reason to view him as a big loss and my opinion of him was definitely higher than most UK fans.
 
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Yes. Just like the 2023 and 2021 teams.
I agree. High expectations and low performance.

Not an all time low performance. But a great disappointment. 👍
The end result of those seasons was disappointing, being upset in the tournament. Sucks but will happen every now and then , 2 times was just too much. This entire year has been disappointing.
 

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Yes. Just like the 2023 and 2021 teams.
I agree. High expectations and low performance.

Not an all time low performance. But a great disappointment. 👍
Worst conference finish in program history. Even worse than the 9-16 year.

that’s a ALL TIME LOW. It’s facts.
 
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Worst conference finish in program history. Even worse than the 9-16 year.

that’s a ALL TIME LOW. It’s facts.
Conference quality matters. This is the 2nd strongest SEC of all time. It doesn’t excuse being 9th but everybody in the middle of the conference was logjammed together. Almost the entire conference was within one game of one another.
 

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Conference quality matters. This is the 2nd strongest SEC of all time. It doesn’t excuse being 9th but everybody in the middle of the conference was logjammed together. Almost the entire conference was within one game of one another.
Worst loss the 9-16 year was 45-65 vs Bama.

20 point beat downs are the norm now.
 
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Worst loss the 9-16 year was 45-65 vs Bama.

20 point beat downs are the norm now.
Blowouts are more common in CBB now. And that’s probably not changing unfortunately. College basketball has become a lot more optimized due to analytics. Greater offensive efficiency and greater momentum swings.

Hoping we are the hammer and not the nail more often next year.
 
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Blowouts are more common in CBB now. And that’s probably not changing unfortunately. College basketball has become a lot more optimized due to analytics. Greater offensive efficiency and greater momentum swings.

Hoping we are the hammer and not the nail more often next year.
I would hope we are the hammer. We are supposed to be the best program in the country. Blowouts aren’t supposed to be normal at Kentucky i don’t care how much the game changes.
 
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I would hope we are the hammer. We are supposed to be the best program in the country. Blowouts aren’t supposed to be normal at Kentucky i don’t care how much the game changes.
No. You’re not wrong about that. Even good teams can get blown out time to time now. The fact that it happened so frequently bothers me. And home losses are infuriating. Still no comparison to 2021.
 

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Worst loss the 9-16 year was 45-65 vs Bama.

20 point beat downs are the norm now.
Correct me if I am wrong...UK lost 2 games by 20+ this year. One was to Vandy and the other to Gonzaga.

Nate Oats, our next coach according to many, also had 2. They lost to Arizona by 21 and Florida by 23.

Hurley, another coach people wanted, lost to St John's by 20.

Mark Few, another coach many wanted, lost to Michigan by 40.

Did I miss some games that we lost by more than 20? If not, 2 is definitely not the norm.

And, it was as another poster said, a strange year! How does Gonzaga lose my 40??? How does UConn lose by 20 to a team we beat??? How does Vandy beat Florida by 17?
 
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Correct me if I am wrong...UK lost 2 games by 20+ this year. One was to Vandy and the other to Gonzaga.

Nate Oats, our next coach according to many, also had 2. They lost to Arizona by 21 and Florida by 23.

Hurley, another coach people wanted, lost to St John's by 20.

Mark Few, another coach many wanted, lost to Michigan by 40.

Did I miss some games that we lost by more than 20? If not, 2 is definitely not the norm.

And, it was as another poster said, a strange year! How does Gonzaga lose my 40??? How does UConn lose by 20 to a team we beat??? How does Vandy beat Florida by 17?
Yes you must have missed some games my friend.

and the Vandy/gonzaga were 30+. Not 20.

this is also Kentucky. We aren’t supposed to be doing what those other programs are doing. But here we’re are doing way worse.

getting beat by bama 4 times. Getting beat by Florida three times in one season.
 

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He started less than half their games, you know you can easily look this stuff up, right?

listen, I have no problem admitting when I’m off. He started the games I saw, which included UK and the SECT games among others. The question that keeps coming up is why did he transfer? To me it’s pretty obvious and I’ll stand on my initial assessment with the caveat that he didn’t start every single game.
 

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Yes you must have missed some games my friend.

and the Vandy/gonzaga were 30+. Not 20.

this is also Kentucky. We aren’t supposed to be doing what those other programs are doing. But here we’re are doing way worse.

getting beat by bama 4 times. Getting beat by Florida three times in one season.

The 20+ number was yours, not mine. I just used your standard. Which games did I miss?

As for your last statement, why change the subject? I read your post calling 20 plus losses "the norm." I knew there were a LOT of strange blowouts this year so I just looked up the numbers out of curiosity. I honestly didn't even know Bama had lost 2 games by over 20 until I looked it up. I am a bit of a stickler for getting facts straight. So, if I missed another 20 point loss, please point it out.
 

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. Nothing matters, Pope is doing great and nothing that happens means anything.

Could you name one or two regular normal posters that feel this way? I’m not sure I’ve seen one single non-troll (or maybe even a troll for that matter) that shares this view. Has one single person said Pope is doing great?
 

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Worst conference finish in program history. Even worse than the 9-16 year.

that’s a ALL TIME LOW. It’s facts.
Where are you getting this? 2021 was 8-9 in conference. Looking back to 2006 we also have another 10-8 plus two 9-7's and an 8-8 so definitely not the worst finish in program history by any means. The SEC competition has improved over those years as well.
 

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The 20+ number was yours, not mine. I just used your standard. Which games did I miss?

As for your last statement, why change the subject? I read your post calling 20 plus losses "the norm." I knew there were a LOT of strange blowouts this year so I just looked up the numbers out of curiosity. I honestly didn't even know Bama had lost 2 games by over 20 until I looked it up. I am a bit of a stickler for getting facts straight. So, if I missed another 20 point loss, please point it out.
You are not wrong. While two 20 point plus loses is not something to be proud of necessarily it is the correct number.
 
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Where are you getting this? 2021 was 8-9 in conference. Looking back to 2006 we also have another 10-8 plus two 9-7's and an 8-8 so definitely not the worst finish in program history by any means. The SEC competition has improved over those years as well.
We were 8th the 9-16 year. We aren’t supposed 9th this year.
 

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We were 8th the 9-16 year. We aren’t supposed 9th this year.
More teams now and we were an egregiously bad call away from 4th. There were 6 teams at 10-8 or 11-7. It is a lot more difficult to find the annual standings in the SEC historically but most years are only going to include 10 teams anyway. So while you may have some technical merit by that angle it is a middle of the pack finish in reality. I definitely put more weight on the actual record. I will definitely agree we aren't supposed to be 9th (tied for 7th out of 16) at 10-8 in any event.
 
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He took less money to go. He was ahead of the curve on Pope. And it's working for him. He actually improved over the course of the season. He didn't last season. Nor did any of the others. If anything they regressed.

UK was always Perry's dream school. I would bet that if we get a new coach Perry will transfer back here.

Don't want him back. We want talented players here.
 
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Bad season, yes. But words have meaning. The full body of work this year has been bad, not historically record low.

Better regular season than:

2021
2014
2013
2009
2008
2007
2006
1990
1989

That’s choosing literally only years within my lifetime.

And before I get the “he’s defending this year.” No, I’m not. I’m simply pointing out everything is not 10/10 or 0/10. It’s ok to be honest.

Better regular season than 2014? Think you are high on drugs.
 
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Better regular season than 2014? Think you are high on drugs.
The 2014 only had to play one ranked team in the conference — Florida, and lost to them three times. They were a bubble team for much of the year and finished with an 8 seed on a significantly easier schedule. Not even a debate. 2014 regular season was worse. That 2014 team won one regular season game against a ranked opponent. One. The entire season.
 

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Better regular season than 2014? Think you are high on drugs.
When considering schedule it is pretty close.


They rate performance against schedule (srs) here and actually have this season rated better than 2014.

You can see their SOS rating game by game in these links.




You can click on srs at the top to see how that rating is derived.
 
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He and his dad think he is a lot better than he actually is and Chris Beard played into that and told them what they wanted to hear. I thought he could be potentially contribute here eventually but I see no reason to view him as a big loss and my opinion of him was definitely higher than most UK fans.
This is similar to the story I heard from a longtime D1 assistant coach who just retired. He’s from KY, well-connected, and would have no reason to make stuff up. He said that during the stint where Travis started a couple of games (Butler’s injury) the dad marched into Pope’s office and demanded more NIL…like immediately, not for the upcoming year. Pope basically told him to pound sand. Hence the reason Travis waited til the last day to enter the portal—trying to stick it to Pope as much as possible.

If this is true, I blame the dad more than Travis. Typical case of dad thinking son is better than he actually is
 

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Could you name one or two regular normal posters that feel this way? I’m not sure I’ve seen one single non-troll (or maybe even a troll for that matter) that shares this view. Has one single person said Pope is doing great?
Uh yea, for sure. They’ve been all over the place. I’ve seen “pope just made a sweet 16 and he had injuries this season” which definitely implies he’s doing fine. And I’ve seen it a lot. “Get off mark he’s doing a good job all things considered”. This doozy is said quite a bit. I could go on actually. There’s a lot of them although a minority acting as if he’s juuuuuust fine. What some are really doing though, is quietly attacking around for him but know they can’t say “he’s doing great”. So it’s passively attacking everywhere. It’s pretty constant. Look at the guy I don’t think anyone should be attacking anyone on his behalf but yea.

Hell the lowering of the bar is my real
Gripe though and they’re doing that often. “Kentucky can’t dominate anymore” never mind the other blue bloods can. We’re seeing all kinds of this crap.
 

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Perry is a small 2G, but good basketball instincts, and can hit open shots. Subpar defender and needs some daylight to get his shot off. He can play PG, but it isn't ideal. He seems happier at Ole Miss under Beard, but if Beard leaves, he may transfer again imo.
 

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Uh yea, for sure. They’ve been all over the place. I’ve seen “pope just made a sweet 16 and he had injuries this season” which definitely implies he’s doing fine. And I’ve seen it a lot. “Get off mark he’s doing a good job all things considered”. This doozy is said quite a bit. I could go on actually. There’s a lot of them although a minority acting as if he’s juuuuuust fine. What some are really doing though, is quietly attacking around for him but know they can’t say “he’s doing great”. So it’s passively attacking everywhere. It’s pretty constant. Look at the guy I don’t think anyone should be attacking anyone on his behalf but yea.

Hell the lowering of the bar is my real
Gripe though and they’re doing that often. “Kentucky can’t dominate anymore” never mind the other blue bloods can. We’re seeing all kinds of this crap.
There is a difference in saying everything is fine and acknowledging legitimate facts that contribute to results not being fine.
 
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Perry is a small 2G, but good basketball instincts, and can hit open shots. Subpar defender and needs some daylight to get his shot off. He can play PG, but it isn't ideal. He seems happier at Ole Miss under Beard, but if Beard leaves, he may transfer again imo.
You were being kind when you said "subpar defender." Otherwise I agree. Ol Miss is a good fit for him.
 

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Hell the lowering of the bar is my real
Gripe though and they’re doing that often. “Kentucky can’t dominate anymore” never mind the other blue bloods can.
I have disagreed with you a lot in recent weeks but I totally agree with you on this. This was a major argument in the Tubby era and I hated it then. I still hate that argument.
 

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Seems to me that he is a type of kid that wanted to play more, and he got that chance there.

Some kids are happy to ride the pine at UK for 4 years, and others want to actually play. I'm guessing he was in the second group.
 
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I have disagreed with you a lot in recent weeks but I totally agree with you on this. This was a major argument in the Tubby era and I hated it then. I still hate that argument.
Yea these are the guys that I just almost don’t even want to communicate with. Duke doesn’t seem to be bothered at all. Kansas is still holding serve. When UNC with a coach who’s not up to their standard is holding to a point. The idea that we pack it in and just be happy with Mark because we can’t compete to blue blood standards, it’s the worst of the worst to me. Agreed it’s a bad position.
 

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Hell the lowering of the bar is my real
Gripe though and they’re doing that often. “Kentucky can’t dominate anymore” never mind the other blue bloods can. We’re seeing all kinds of this crap.

This I agree with 100%. That’s some low T ridiculous stuff. However, outside of like MAYBE 1 or 2 guys that might even be doing it to rile people up I haven’t and don’t think there is a significant portion of people that think Mark pope is “doing great”. I bet if you did a simple poll asking : Do you thinking Mark Pope did a good job this year? 80% would say no. And if you did an anonymous internet poll asking “is the sun hot?” 20% would say no that’s just how the internet is.
 

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He transferred for the same reason we can’t land a recruit. He don’t want to play for a cornball.
These type of responses are just stupid.

Why does ANYONE transfer? It's 1 of 3 reasons:
1) to go to a bigger school to get more exposure & recognition (NA in this case)
2) for more $$$ (we don't know if true or not, but I'm guessing not the case for Perry)
3) to get more playing time (IMO he simply saw that at UK he was likely to remain the 10th-13th man, but at just 1 notch down in school he could actually play

I'm pretty confident it's #3!!!