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NU'06er said:
Fair counterpoint. I'm not convinced Indiana won't be the exception rather than the rule as we get more of a sample size to the NIL era. But there's no denying that team came from nothing.

I recognize that this is an example from the 4-team playoff era rather than the expanded playoff era, but I suspect the TCU-Georgia national title game will start to feel more emblematic of what's achievable and not over time. Non-traditional upstarts (like TCU) are more likely to get a shot in an expanded playoff than they were when the gatekeeping was harsher (Boise State, UCF, etc.), but because that shot requires them to survive a gauntlet of playoff games likely including road games now, the value of that shot is less neutral than before and more rewarding toward teams loaded with enough depth to survive attrition. That TCU team threw everything it had at upsetting Michigan and had nothing left by the time it got to the final round.

Over time, as the Ohio States of the world not only get the majority of the 5-star recruits but also get to correct for their misses by stealing additional talent in the portal, I think they are going to wear down "puncher's chance" opponents going forward more often than not.
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Yep, the blue bloods will still be the blue bloods. I just wonder if their depth takes a hit because of players unwillingness to wait their turn or take lucrative ( first string money) deals to move to the next tier down program. Even at Ohio State, only one QB plays.
 
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NU'06er said:
Fair counterpoint. I'm not convinced Indiana won't be the exception rather than the rule as we get more of a sample size to the NIL era. But there's no denying that team came from nothing.
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Still, as you had stated , schools like Texas Tech, BYU, etc will more and more make their conference championship (as long as they continue to exist), if not the CFB playoff.

Heck, Vandy came close to making the playoff and Dook won a conference title (despite what anyone thoughg of the laughably convoluted tie-breaker), having played another long-time downtrodden program in UVA.
 
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Baz = Heisman said:
They can make their decision. That’s their choice. There’s plenty of evidence it’s a bad one. Go ask Sebastian Telfair, for example. And please stop the gaslighting. Guys coming back for another year are staying for cash - not education. When you reward someone before they’ve accomplished anything it sets an insanely bad precedent. It has to be reigned back in or college sports might as well shut down.
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How do you know that?

They still end up getting their degree (which is still better than never getting it).

Now, whether they learned anything of note is up to the individual player, which is no different than how it was before... (think it's fair to say that the vast majority of athletes who return to NU for another year or transfer in to a grad program try to get the most out of their opportunity).

You still failed to prove that education was any more of the focus before, especially in this day and age where football players are playing far more games and hence, soending far more hours practicing, lifting, watching film, not to mention all the travel.

You think something like the UNC academic scandal (which was brought to light in 2010, years before NIL became a thing) was a one-off? Lol

And that's for a university that's not a traditional football school.

Don't know why you brought up Telfair, because if anything, he proves my point.

Even if he had opted to go to college for 1 year instead of directly heading to the NBA, you think he actually cared about getting an education; just like so many 1 and Dones, probably not, so what good did the facade of going up college for 1 year do for them?

If anything, playing that one extra year in the NBA was better for him financially

Over the course of his NBA career, Telfair earned more than $19 million, with nearly that amount matched in endorsement deals ($10 million just from his Adidas deal).

Him blowing a fair sized fortune is all on him.

Heck, if Telfair had opted to play in college (even if just for 1 year), there's a decent chance that he wouldn't have been drafted as high as he was out of HS and thyd never have the opportunity to blow that fair sized fortune in the 1st place.
 
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FWIW, Nicky Buckets led the B1G in scoring twice and never got less than an A in his time at NU. True student-athlete.
 
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katatonic2 said:
How do you know that?

They still end up getting their degree (which is still better than never getting it).

Now, whether they learned anything of note is up to the individual player, which is no different than how it was before... (think it's fair to say that the vast majority of athletes who return to NU for another year or transfer in to a grad program try to get the most out of their opportunity).

You still failed to prove that education was any more of the focus before, especially in this day and age where football players are playing far more games and hence, soending far more hours practicing, lifting, watching film, not to mention all the travel.

You think something like the UNC academic scandal (which was brought to light in 2010, years before NIL became a thing) was a one-off? Lol

And that's for a university that's not a traditional football school.

Don't know why you brought up Telfair, because if anything, he proves my point.

Even if he had opted to go to college for 1 year instead of directly heading to the NBA, you think he actually cared about getting an education; just like so many 1 and Dones, probably not, so what good did the facade of going up college for 1 year do for them?

If anything, playing that one extra year in the NBA was better for him financially

Over the course of his NBA career, Telfair earned more than $19 million, with nearly that amount matched in endorsement deals ($10 million just from his Adidas deal).

Him blowing a fair sized fortune is all on him.

Heck, if Telfair had opted to play in college (even if just for 1 year), there's a decent chance that he wouldn't have been drafted as high as he was out of HS and thyd never have the opportunity to blow that fair sized fortune in the 1st place.
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Brother, if you had to EARN the bag by getting a degree so you could get that big job - most are not going pro as athletes - you were absolutely going to lock in more academically, so yes there used to be a much clearer focus on academics than there is now.

And UNC has never been serious about student-athletes. Thats a bad example to prove whatever you’re trying to say. Go look at that 2005 team. Some of those hombres could barely speak English.
 
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Baz = Heisman said:
??? He went to a public HS. They don’t cap admissions.
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Once again, you are wrong, the posters that worked in the recruiting office would often tell us their experience where it would be more difficult getting an applicant in from New Trier HS than some other Podunk HS in South Dakota if there qualifications were similar. There is locational diversity when admitting a class.
 
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Baz = Heisman said:
Brother, if you had to EARN the bag by getting a degree so you could get that big job - most are not going pro as athletes - you were absolutely going to lock in more academically, so yes there used to be a much clearer focus on academics than there is now.

And UNC has never been serious about student-athletes. Thats a bad example to prove whatever you’re trying to say. Go look at that 2005 team. Some of those hombres could barely speak English.
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It’s amazing, I don’t think I have ever had a poster here where I disagree with 90% of his/her posts. You have to be the smartest guy on this board.

Hombres? What are you, Trump? Refresh my memory, when have you interacted with the 2005 NC team? Better yet, when were you ever part of a college athletic team as a member, coach, administrator or support staff? Of course, there are no statistics to back up your claim that somehow current athletes focus less on academics now that they get NIL than they did before NIL, but you do you.
 
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Purple Pile Driver said:
Once again, you are wrong, the posters that worked in the recruiting office would often tell us their experience where it would be more difficult getting an applicant in from New Trier HS than some other Podunk HS in South Dakota if there qualifications were similar. There is locational diversity when admitting a class.
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That’s not what you said before. Now you’re playing games. Location was never brought up.
 
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Purple Pile Driver said:
It’s amazing, I don’t think I have ever had a poster here where I disagree with 90% of his/her posts. You have to be the smartest guy on this board.

Hombres? What are you, Trump? Refresh my memory, when have you interacted with the 2005 NC team? Better yet, when were you ever part of a college athletic team as a member, coach, administrator or support staff? Of course, there are no statistics to back up your claim that somehow current athletes focus less on academics now that they get NIL than they did before NIL, but you do you.
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Do you have a brain? Do you have a computer? Common sense will tell you academics have been put in the background and a computer (Google) will tell you about the dopes on the 2005 UNC team. Go read about Marvin Williams and Raymond Felton, specifically.

I feel like you are one of these college reporters who has invested so much of their time into college sports they have to talk themselves into believing this massive fallacy that college sports now are as true to their intent as they were 20 years ago. I, however, am a realist even though it depresses me greatly. College sports is not what it was pre-NIL. I used to watch every game. My interest in waining and I know plenty others whose is too. Ratings are still ok bc of the gambling disease that has control of our population. They will fall as more states roll back gambling legalization based off bankruptcy and support centers (gambling anonymous calls are through the roof in nearly every state - Google it).
 
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Baz = Heisman said:
Do you have a brain? Do you have a computer? Common sense will tell you academics have been put in the background and a computer (Google) will tell you about the dopes on the 2005 UNC team. Go read about Marvin Williams and Raymond Felton, specifically.

I feel like you are one of these college reporters who has invested so much of their time into college sports they have to talk themselves into believing this massive fallacy that college sports now are as true to their intent as they were 20 years ago. I, however, am a realist even though it depresses me greatly. College sports is not what it was pre-NIL. I used to watch every game. My interest in waining and I know plenty others whose is too. Ratings are still ok bc of the gambling disease that has control of our population. They will fall as more states roll back gambling legalization based off bankruptcy and support centers (gambling anonymous calls are through the roof in nearly every state - Google it).
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Baz = Heisman said:
Do you have a brain? Do you have a computer? Common sense will tell you academics have been put in the background and a computer (Google) will tell you about the dopes on the 2005 UNC team. Go read about Marvin Williams and Raymond Felton, specifically.

I feel like you are one of these college reporters who has invested so much of their time into college sports they have to talk themselves into believing this massive fallacy that college sports now are as true to their intent as they were 20 years ago. I, however, am a realist even though it depresses me greatly. College sports is not what it was pre-NIL. I used to watch every game. My interest in waining and I know plenty others whose is too. Ratings are still ok bc of the gambling disease that has control of our population. They will fall as more states roll back gambling legalization based off bankruptcy and support centers (gambling anonymous calls are through the roof in nearly every state - Google it).
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College sports are extremely as true to their intent as they were 20 years ago. They are as true as they were 40 years ago. Which is to say: not very. The only difference is your fantasy bubble has finally been popped.
 
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AdamOnFirst said:
College sports are extremely as true to their intent as they were 20 years ago. They are as true as they were 40 years ago. Which is to say: not very. The only difference is your fantasy bubble has finally been popped.
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That’s completely false. And you know how I know that? By talking to real people who were “in the trenches” as you love to say (several NU players and other B1G athletes) and also every day fans who realize, as they have common sense, something you clearly lack, that it is no longer about loyalty to the institution - athletic and academic - it’s all about ME and bag chasing.

You think that empowers modern athletes because you think they’re entitled to something when they haven’t earned it. What’s gonna happen instead is bags will be blown and degrees will be lost. Then what? Despair.
 
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Baz = Heisman said:
That’s completely false. And you know how I know that? By talking to real people who were “in the trenches” as you love to say (several NU players and other B1G athletes) and also every day fans who realize, as they have common sense, something you clearly lack, that it is no longer about loyalty to the institution - athletic and academic - it’s all about ME and bag chasing.

You think that empowers modern athletes because you think they’re entitled to something when they haven’t earned it. What’s gonna happen instead is bags will be blown and degrees will be lost. Then what? Despair.
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Now you’re being boring again. Boo!

Also, this is a thread you started about a (supposedly real) player upset he isn’t receiving an opportunity he hasn’t earned and that instead it’s going to a player who has already put in the work and proven themselves.
 
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Baz = Heisman said:
Brother, if you had to EARN the bag by getting a degree so you could get that big job - most are not going pro as athletes - you were absolutely going to lock in more academically, so yes there used to be a much clearer focus on academics than there is now.
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Not your "brother"...

What's the difference between student musicians, Olympic sport athletes, actors/actresses, etc getting the "bag" before they earn a degree? Lol

Many football and BB players have been getting the bag way before NIL; it's just up front now and for significantly larger sums.

You just repeat the same baseless claims over and over again, and still yet to offer any concrete proof that athletes who were prone to be serious about their education, are any less serious because they now get to join in sharing the immense revenue they generate.


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And UNC has never been serious about student-athletes. Thats a bad example to prove whatever you’re trying to say. Go look at that 2005 team. Some of those hombres could barely speak English.
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Which proves my point.

Individual athletes and schools that were not serious about education pre-NIL are not going to be serious now and vice versa.

Basically that nothing has changed; it's all up to the individual and the same university, and if anything, there's more incentive for athletes to stay in school and finish getting a degree than in trying their luck in sticking to the pro leagues.

Case in point, like for at Northwestern, schools like Penn State and Notre Dame still expect their athletes to attend class.

I've actually seen it up close.

During my time, there were some football players who took their studies seriously, most doing enough to pass their classes and graduate, with some not caring beyond staying eligible and resorting to underhanded means to do so.

In the general student body, there were those in the latter 2 categories as well.
 
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I saw in an ESPN article today that two years ago a $20M got you a national title (Ohio State). This year, it doesn’t even keep you competitive with the median of power conferences. They cited the top programs having total compensation (direct payment plus NIL) over $50M.

My son attends Illinois and is a member of their 247 paywall site. Their “reporter” claims they have spent around $22M total this season on football and Bielema was frustrated that it didn’t put them in the top half of the conference. I don’t think that’s published publicly but given that they’re reporting Bert is pissed, I’m guessing it’s probably accurate and not inflated.

I wonder where we rank in the conference.
 
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