*****Official Selection Sunday Discussion Thread. IOWA still on the 8/9 line?*****

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St. Johns got screwed today as well. They won the regular and conference title and are a 5 seed meanwhile UConn who just got beat by STJ by 25 points are a 2 seed...
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Max Rebo

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Quite a year. Hawks get back in. Riley and Siena get in. Brock and TCU are in. Fran's Quakers are in. Creighton? Well...
Along with Pryce’s season, it’s pretty clear that the change was good for everyone. Well, almost everyone.

If Fran and every player had stayed, would we be dancing this year? Based on last year’s results, it’s highly doubtful.
 

Hawksfor3

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Along with Pryce’s season, it’s pretty clear that the change was good for everyone. Well, almost everyone.

If Fran and every player had stayed, would we be dancing this year? Based on last year’s results, it’s highly doubtful.
Ahhh. Forgot about Pryce.
 
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HawkBall23

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I do not envy being a TCU or OSU fan.

If one of them were my team and they lose, my care for the Tournament would be over after the very 1st game.


(even worse would be being a fan of a First4 team, losing, and not even watching a single game of the 64-team tourney - IE, the year that Iowa lost to Tennessee in a First4 game sucked due to not caring to watch any of the rest of the Tourney)
 
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StormHawk42

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I do not envy being a TCU or OSU fan.

If one of them were my team and they lose, my care for the Tournament would be over after the very 1st game.


(even worse would be being a fan of a First4 team, losing, and not even watching a single game of the 64-team tourney - IE, the year that Iowa lost to Tennessee in a First4 game sucked due to not caring to watch any of the rest of the Tourney)
Was with my best friend (Clone fan) for the UAB game whatever year that was. Was the first game of the tourney. He was pretty distraught.
 

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Hope to see a tad of this magic from 1987… when Gamble hit that threw my dad (RIP) went through the ceiling… let’s get to the sweet 16 somehow and someway!

 
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St. Johns got screwed today as well. They won the regular and conference title and are a 5 seed meanwhile UConn who just got beat by STJ by 25 points are a 2 seed...
Agreed St. John's got hosed. I'd think winning both the regular season and conference tournament might have carried a little weight, but not so much, I guess. Then again, Uconn has that name on the front of the jersey...

Uconn is about 6 spots higher than St. John's in the NET and Kenpom so there's that, but that's certainly not enough to justify a 3 seed difference.. Edit: Uconn beat SJU by 32 on 2/25, so that and SJU winning by 20 the other day are more or less a wash IMO.

There are definitely some head scratchers every year.
 
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83Hawk

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Ok. Well, if you're playing to get a seed IN the tournament, you're not in the tournament.

*I'm not talking to you necessarily.
They are not playing for seeds. They already have them. They are playing to move on, just like those in the Round of 64, Round of 32, etc.

Question for YOU. Some of the First Four teams automatically qualified for the NCAA tournament by virtue of winning their conference tournament. If they are already in, please explain why they still have to “play in” to a tournament they are already in.

More questions: How many “automatic” bids does the NCAA tournament have, and who gets them? If you receive an automatic bid, does that mean you are in or out?

People need to stop thinking it’s a 64 team tournament. It’s not. Just like it’s no longer a 48 team tournament, or 24. It has evolved.

I realize some folks will continue to stubbornly call the First Four “play in” games, despite reality and all evidence to the contrary. That’s their right. They are never going to change their minds, so it’s pointless for anyone to even try.
 
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