Your contributions have been money down the drain. They’ve led to 0 success. Good job buring your money. 0 for 4. Four seasons of failure. Pipe down little man, hopefully you waste even more money next season!! 0 for 5 loading unless Cuse takes him off our hands
Sums up our season by coach
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Of course we are all bummed by the changes in college athletics. But complaining about what we don't have still isn't going to make me feel better about missing the big dance...again. We won 21 games but none of them of quality. Not one. Blew leads against St. John's and UConn. Couldn't beat even Villanova who is coached by a guy you all despise. Lost to DePaul...twice! What does NIL have to do with any of the above?
Why get personal? @radecicco has been a great long-time poster here.
I really liked Willard just to be clear.
Your saying this seasom and Sha tenure is a failure. You can have your opinion.
We did not have a min payroll of $6.5M. That's pure nonsense. We had NIL contributions of just under $6M.
Who the hell do you think you are criticizing anyone in how they spend their money and why they choose to support the school? I do the same and am proud of the school and the program!!!!
And not all available until late in recruiting period.
Sha said he lost a number of guys early in the period. NIL likely not the only reason but it is not an excuse to discuss reality. I expect continued recruiting improvement this yesr and hopefully good retention, but not as confident in the latter.
6.5 mil payroll for this year. Will have over 8 mil next year. No more excuses. Had enough to compete this year and more than enough to compete next year. NCAA tournament or bust. Enough of these participation trophies and moral victories it’s embarrassing. Coach gets paid 3mm+ a year. Figure it out and get the job done. What he’s done so far is unacceptable and would be fired at any real program with a pulse after going 0 for 4. Winning is all that matters and he hasn’t done it here. End of story
I don't tell anyone how to spend their money. If someone wants to contribute to the University or our athletic programs, god bless. If they don't, all good. We all have differing views on this pay for play stuff, and some of those views have morphed over time (Dan, for example, was adamantly against pay for play at the outset compared to "real NIL", only to reverse course because of the need to win and compete).
Likewise, I am not going to implore our wealthiest alumni to "pony up" and then "deify" them if they do so, while at the same time demonizing others who do the same for different programs. That would make me a hypocrite.
Likewise, I am not going to implore our wealthiest alumni to "pony up" and then "deify" them if they do so, while at the same time demonizing others who do the same for different programs. That would make me a hypocrite.
The fault does lie to some degree with giving. We are poor in that regard. Those above us have givers. Amazing that many here just imagine a large cookie jar that can be raided whenever needed. I don’t minimize the dysfunction that seems to have a permanent home at the University.
Only two Big East schools paid less than the Hall. And barely. Our $6M, not $6.5M you keep incorrectly quoting put us in the next small group. The other schools paid $8M to 12M each.
No one in the Big East got a better bang for their buck. There's a reason that Holloway was chosen as the UNANIMOUS COY in conference.
Many years ago I fell prey to the lifetime lure of amateurism that I lived through my entire life. That said, I like nothing about pay for play. But it's now a reality that if challenged will not continue our relevancy in D1 basketball at the highest level.
Regarding the players, yes after more consideration they should be taken care of better, but if I had my wish, which I don't, certainly not to the degree that without buffers we are seeing now. The balance has shifted from the NCAA who lined their pockets to the player now doing the same.
I hope those buffers come about, but I fear they won't. So since I support the school, I will support NIL, even if I don't like it.
You criticize people all the time for how they spend their money when they decide to spend it on things other than paying Seton Hall basketball players. Sit this one out.
There are clearly troll posters who have suddenly appeared. Where is the board moderator?
I rarely ban posters. I firmly disagree with many of them but they have the right to post their thoughts. Some go beyond that and knowing they will get the final word take advantage of that fact.
In one more day I am no longer a moderator so that will be left up to JD. I have had my fill.
In one more day I am no longer a moderator so that will be left up to JD. I have had my fill.
If we are going to use our lack of NIL as to why we miss the NCAA tournament year after year than maybe we should join another conference. Like SPK said, we will always be behind the eight ball when it come to NIL. I am unable to give more than I already do.
Not sure
Not sure what you mean by trolling. These are all facts. The coach is 0 for 4. We are the 357th in the country in 3 point shooting out of 360 teams. Many teams with less NIL have no problem making the dance. We were 2-10 vs the top 6 in the league with both wins coming against Creighton. Have the worst ran offense in Power hoops. Have worse offensive metrics than many low majors who have 0 NIL. These are all facts. NIL isn’t the issue. The coaching of offense, the sub partners, the building of a roster with no shooters is the issue. Same place we’ve always been in. Can’t expect SEC money when we are a small Catholic school. The NIL cry babies are delusional
Well said and exactly what I have been trying to say.
He’s a .500 coach. His record tells you the story. No need to debate. He’s an average coach with an average record. Sorry you can’t face the facts.
How are you criticizing people who donate to the school/program you claim to support? Some people are like school in the summertime.........
The funny thing is I enjoy the give and take of disagreement. It's the lifeblood of any decent message board.
I just hope for balance from all our posters, including myself. But it's happening less and less every year.
We just had a season that not a single poster imagined possible and yet today I am reading thoughts worthy of last year's worst team possibly in the Big East era of basketball, .
Who was coached and construed by the same exact guy who ran this years team lol. It’s not like he took over a team that was the worst in history. No that was his team in year 3.
Everything you say is true, just be prepared to get accused of being a troll. As a fan, I want Seton Hall to be in the NCAA Tournament more often than not. I realize it won't happen every year, or even 75% of the time. But if we can punch a little above 50%, that would make me happy. What Shaheen Holloway has done gives me zero happiness. He has driven this program into the ground immediately after having some pretty good success under Kevin Willard (who also had his warts, but he got to where we want to be). Yet he gets praised in the media and on this board by delusional people with incredibly low expectations every single day. I can only hope Syracuse, BC, Cincinnati, or some other program is dumb enough to hire him and take him off our hands. Otherwise we can continue to count on missing the NCAA Tournament so long as he is in Seton Hall's employ.
I've been on this board for 20 years, yet now I get called a troll by the moderator simply because he doesn't like my opinion and I don't post anything "positive." Well, there is nothing positive about Shaheen Holloway's stewardship of Seton Hall basketball. I suppose it is what is. I can't help that Dan has an ego larger than the sun, an anger management problem, and can't tolerate any differences. I just cancelled my trove membership because it's clear I am no longer welcomed here due to my opinions. This board has turned into a Pollyanna haven where you get shouted down if you don't toe the party line. It's pathetic. There are many posters I've enjoyed reading over the years. This will be my last season actively posting here. There are many posters who I will thank for their engagement over the many years I've been here in another post. They deserve it, as they've made this board fun over the years. It is no longer fun, and the people running it have nobody but themselves to blame even though they will try to trick you into thinking otherwise.
My last comment to you as now I am just wasting my time.
No one, not even he thought he did a good job last year. How foolish do you think anyone would be for saying that? But this year that changed and he got the best bang for his buck of any coach in the conference.
He deserved every bit of criticism he faced last year. But as far as this season he deserves praise.
That's balance and for those not to recognize it mean you simply have an agenda.
It's been disappointing. We're 0/4 in NCAAT berths during his tenure and just 1-4 at the BET too. Last night I was at The Garden and it could've been such a moment but we're just short. Again. Can't shoot enough or incorporate enough offense and the tough physical style is less effective against teams with size and athletes. It's close though, lol.
He's had two teams - 2023-24 and this year - that were maybe 1-2 games at most from being in the Dance. It's not that far off. It's very disappointing. And I don't care if people think we played above our head when you're 8-5 in the BE or 4-1 in the BE and finish 10-10 both times, it stinks.
He's had two teams - 2023-24 and this year - that were maybe 1-2 games at most from being in the Dance. It's not that far off. It's very disappointing. And I don't care if people think we played above our head when you're 8-5 in the BE or 4-1 in the BE and finish 10-10 both times, it stinks.
SHU09 has not "suddenly appeared" if you are referring to him. Some of the "suddenly appeared" crowd are the ones who filled this space with insane drivel over the last few days. Rants that would make a psychiatrist blush.
09 has been here forever. He has strong takes. Always has, about basketball or non-basketball stuff. And he is firm in his views. Sometimes I disagree with him, and sometimes I agree with him. He's always been that way. He is not a pom-pom waiver, but has also defended Seton Hall players or the program generally on millions of occasions over the many, many years I've been a poster here.
There you go again, unable to tolerate any difference of opinion. Your opinion is he deserves praise for this year. Many agree, many disagree, but you can't accept that.
Thank you. I appreciate you, always have. Glad you see what I've been saying - I'm the same guy I've always been. Others just want to make me into something I'm not simply because they don't like me.
#1 do you think he’s definitely coming back next year?
#2 would you extend him and give a raise?
#3 what was the board like on December 20th? I bet it was euphoric much like you say now..Sha was prob king of the court..there was a thread on here that said he was the NCOTY!!! Since that date we are 12-13 with zero good wins..that’s why the board is this way
He did a good job..that’s it case closed
Well at least those that don't agree voted him as the unanimous COY. So maybe, just maybe he did something right.
This sums up exactly how I have looked at the last two years. Whether that meant he deserved COY was up for debate in my opinion -- and frankly in many, many others minds based on the polls you circulate weekly during the season -- all of which is a moot point now because the league coaches made that call unanimously.
He might have, some think he did. That's your opinion. I respect it. My opinion is he didn't. The difference between you and me is that I respect differing opinions. You don't.
Yes, he's coming back.
No he doesn't deserve a raise for this past year.
Yes, overall he did an outstanding job this year. Like I said the best bang for the buck of any coach in the legaue.
Ok that’s interesting
Why is his name being brought up?
Why would a coach who was UNANIMOUS coy who did an outstanding job and gets the best bang for his buck not get extended or a raise from a school that struggles and needs a coach who wants to be here and gets the best bang for his buck?
That’s weird to me
First off my last COY opinion was Willard 1 and Holloway 1A. So my noting it could have gone either way was actually not even close. That's balance.
As for you last comment...are you kidding? I have more balanced posts both praising and criticizing the program than most posters.
I often agree with those that have valid criticism and when I don't post why.
Did he offer to return money based on last season? Of course not. So why should he get a raise off of one good season.
I would not offer a raise at this time nor would I want him fired as many did last season.
IMO both are foolish propositions.