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I really think this conversation is pretty easy: Jake West is good now, so we actually have a pretty good point guard and good second player, plus we're playing weaker competition. That's like 90% of it. Add in that rotation guys who were massive duds like Green aren't playing at all and Clayton has emerged as a legit plus value rotation option and that's your improvement... but again, mostly we are also just playing worse teams. As Cappy said, we have smoked bad teams all year, but the brutal Big Ten has been above our pay grade all year long. We have a couple players who are distinctly mid major type guys, IMO, but we don't need to turn this into a Jayden Reid fight...
I like Reid a lot. He’s a streaky scorer but he has real shot creation. He can get into his pull-up off the bounce and hit tough shots, and that pull up jumper is dangerous because of his speed and quickness. The issue right now is consistency. When the jumper is falling he looks like a high-level guard, but the game to game scoring swings can be pretty big.

Defensively he’s a little underrated. He’s very quick laterally and he has active hands, so he’s good at generating turnovers and bothering ballhandlers. His size caps the overall defensive impact, but the effort and instincts are there.

He’s also a really good passer. The challenge is that he hunts the home run play a little too often. Sometimes it leads to great looks, other times it turns into an untimely turnover when the simple read was there.

His size also shows up when he tries to finish in traffic, which limits some of his driving effectiveness. Still, the speed and burst are real tools.

He’s the kind of player who could surprise people next year. I think there’s clearly Big Ten talent there, it just needs some refinement and decision making growth. If that comes, I’d be perfectly comfortable seeing him start next to West in the backcourt.

If the leap doesn’t fully happen, he still profiles as a really solid sixth man or primary backup guard on most teams. Someone who can give you 10–20+ min, and on a good night provide a real secondary scoring punch, and run your offense at a Big Ten level the rest of the time.
 

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I like Reid a lot. He’s a streaky scorer but he has real shot creation. He can get into his pull-up off the bounce and hit tough shots, and that pull up jumper is dangerous because of his speed and quickness. The issue right now is consistency. When the jumper is falling he looks like a high-level guard, but the game to game scoring swings can be pretty big.

Defensively he’s a little underrated. He’s very quick laterally and he has active hands, so he’s good at generating turnovers and bothering ballhandlers. His size caps the overall defensive impact, but the effort and instincts are there.

He’s also a really good passer. The challenge is that he hunts the home run play a little too often. Sometimes it leads to great looks, other times it turns into an untimely turnover when the simple read was there.

His size also shows up when he tries to finish in traffic, which limits some of his driving effectiveness. Still, the speed and burst are real tools.

He’s the kind of player who could surprise people next year. I think there’s clearly Big Ten talent there, it just needs some refinement and decision making growth. If that comes, I’d be perfectly comfortable seeing him start next to West in the backcourt.

If the leap doesn’t fully happen, he still profiles as a really solid sixth man or primary backup guard on most teams. Someone who can give you 10–20+ min, and on a good night provide a real secondary scoring punch, and run your offense at a Big Ten level the rest of the time.
You are not wrong with your comments. He scores at a good clip, assists at a good clip...

But how do you reconcile his shooting percentages of 43.6%, 39.2% and 39%? He just can't shoot the ball well. The trend is even downwards, though it's understandable it would be down switching to a power conference.

On the other hand his assists trajectory is 3.1, 3.6, 5.0. While actually decreasing TO's when switching conferences 1.5, 2.6, 1.9.

I don't know that I want a guy who shoots below 40% shooting 8.6 shots a game.

If he's not a locker room problem, I'd love to see him return. And cross my fingers he puts in the work and figures out how to raise his shooting to a different level.
 

AdamOnFirst

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I like Reid a lot. He’s a streaky scorer but he has real shot creation. He can get into his pull-up off the bounce and hit tough shots, and that pull up jumper is dangerous because of his speed and quickness. The issue right now is consistency. When the jumper is falling he looks like a high-level guard, but the game to game scoring swings can be pretty big.

Defensively he’s a little underrated. He’s very quick laterally and he has active hands, so he’s good at generating turnovers and bothering ballhandlers. His size caps the overall defensive impact, but the effort and instincts are there.

He’s also a really good passer. The challenge is that he hunts the home run play a little too often. Sometimes it leads to great looks, other times it turns into an untimely turnover when the simple read was there.

His size also shows up when he tries to finish in traffic, which limits some of his driving effectiveness. Still, the speed and burst are real tools.

He’s the kind of player who could surprise people next year. I think there’s clearly Big Ten talent there, it just needs some refinement and decision making growth. If that comes, I’d be perfectly comfortable seeing him start next to West in the backcourt.

If the leap doesn’t fully happen, he still profiles as a really solid sixth man or primary backup guard on most teams. Someone who can give you 10–20+ min, and on a good night provide a real secondary scoring punch, and run your offense at a Big Ten level the rest of the time.
Except he usually misses his shots and also often ends up stuck in a spot where he can’t score due to his size. He’s capable of running to spots and then doing nothing efficient from them. He also attempts stuff he doesn’t have the athleticism to accomplish at the Big Ten level constantly, including in transition. He’s the fourth guard on a tournament quality Big Ten team at best.
 
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You are not wrong with your comments. He scores at a good clip, assists at a good clip...

But how do you reconcile his shooting percentages of 43.6%, 39.2% and 39%? He just can't shoot the ball well. The trend is even downwards, though it's understandable it would be down switching to a power conference.

On the other hand his assists trajectory is 3.1, 3.6, 5.0. While actually decreasing TO's when switching conferences 1.5, 2.6, 1.9.

I don't know that I want a guy who shoots below 40% shooting 8.6 shots a game.

If he's not a locker room problem, I'd love to see him return. And cross my fingers he puts in the work and figures out how to raise his shooting to a different level.
I mean he is a streaky shooter as I said. If he brings up the consistency there he’s a starter. If not he runs the offense more than well enough to be the primary backup guard with serious scoring upside game to game imo. Also I think he’s a better defender than the board gives him credit for.
 
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Except he usually misses his shots and also often ends up stuck in a spot where he can’t score due to his size. He’s capable of running to spots and then doing nothing efficient from them. He also attempts stuff he doesn’t have the athleticism to accomplish at the Big Ten level constantly, including in transition. He’s the fourth guard on a tournament quality Big Ten team at best.
He’s streaky. There are games where he scores in bunches and others where doesn’t. He runs the offense more than fine minus some of those home run attempts. He gets downhill and generates paint touches that lead to open looks for his teammates. He keeps his dribble very well. Worst case scenario he’s a great change of pace backup guard. He’d have played 10-20+ min on all the NU tournament teams imo. If he stays the same he is a strong bench contributor. If he sees improvement I’m more than comfortable starting him along side West. They play well off each other.
 

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You are not wrong with your comments. He scores at a good clip, assists at a good clip...

But how do you reconcile his shooting percentages of 43.6%, 39.2% and 39%? He just can't shoot the ball well. The trend is even downwards, though it's understandable it would be down switching to a power conference.

On the other hand his assists trajectory is 3.1, 3.6, 5.0. While actually decreasing TO's when switching conferences 1.5, 2.6, 1.9.

I don't know that I want a guy who shoots below 40% shooting 8.6 shots a game.

If he's not a locker room problem, I'd love to see him return. And cross my fingers he puts in the work and figures out how to raise his shooting to a different level.
Not really a "downward" trend when his first year saw 4.5 shots per game, and then increased to 10.2 in his second year. I thought he shot OK at 39% for his first year in the B1G. He has a natural stroke that tells me he will improve, especially as he continues to learn to pick his spots. And the fact his best shooting games came against better teams is also telling, IMO.

I think there is definitely room for him on this roster.
 

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He’s streaky. There are games where he scores in bunches and others where doesn’t. He runs the offense more than fine minus some of those home run attempts. He gets downhill and generates paint touches that lead to open looks for his teammates. He keeps his dribble very well. Worst case scenario he’s a great change of pace backup guard. He’d have played 10-20+ min on all the NU tournament teams imo. If he stays the same he is a strong bench contributor. If he sees improvement I’m more than comfortable starting him along side West. They play well off each other.
Sometimes it's pretty obvious when he shifts into hero-ball mode and it's usually a disaster. But when he works within the offense, he's usually pretty solid. I guess I'm saying I think the streakiness is mostly a headgame for him. He hasn't developed enough to be the guy who takes over the game in the B1G and when he tries it usually doesn't work. I dunno, I'll trust Collins and Co.
 
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Sometimes it's pretty obvious when he shifts into hero-ball mode and it's usually a disaster. But when he works within the offense, he's usually pretty solid. I guess I'm saying I think the streakiness is mostly a headgame for him. He hasn't developed enough to be the guy who takes over the game in the B1G and when he tries it usually doesn't work. I dunno, I'll trust Collins and Co.
Some of that is on him. Some of that is for most of the season he was 1/2 guys who could create his own shot consistently. Offense stalls out and he has to get something going. Forcing early in the shot clock = bad. Late in the shot clock someone has to force it.
 

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Absolutely. I mean he is the 5th in the conference in assists and our 2nd best scorer. The only caveat for me is if he is a problem chemistry wise. Which, I suppose, I should assume he is not.
When I heard Jayden played two musical instruments and was in theater, I thought - what a great kid. I imagine he’s very far from a problem chemistry wise.
 

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He’s streaky. There are games where he scores in bunches and others where doesn’t. He runs the offense more than fine minus some of those home run attempts. He gets downhill and generates paint touches that lead to open looks for his teammates. He keeps his dribble very well. Worst case scenario he’s a great change of pace backup guard. He’d have played 10-20+ min on all the NU tournament teams imo. If he stays the same he is a strong bench contributor. If he sees improvement I’m more than comfortable starting him along side West. They play well off each other.
He’d have played 10 minutes on our tourney teams to give BMac or Boo a little blow and gotten another few when he’s hot. That’s it.
 

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Sometimes it's pretty obvious when he shifts into hero-ball mode and it's usually a disaster. But when he works within the offense, he's usually pretty solid. I guess I'm saying I think the streakiness is mostly a headgame for him. He hasn't developed enough to be the guy who takes over the game in the B1G and when he tries it usually doesn't work. I dunno, I'll trust Collins and Co.
My hope would be that with a second year in the program he would be able to study his positives and negatives in the off season and adjust. I feel the same way, even a little more so for Page.
 
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My hope would be that with a second year in the program he would be able to study his positives and negatives in the off season and adjust. I feel the same way, even a little more so for Page.
The potential is there. Page barely played at his previous stops; he logged major minutes for the first time with us and got better at the end of the season particularly on D. He could make a HUGE jump next year.
 
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The potential is there. Page barely played at his previous stops; he logged major minutes for the first time with us and got better at the end of the season particularly on D. He could make a HUGE jump next year.
This is what intrigues me about him. He flashed amazing offensive and defensive acumen at times, and at other times he looked hopeless. It is easy forget that he has not played a lot of ball. I also don't know if he is out of position defensively in the paint, or just needs more seasoning. If Bennerman is available next season, it certainly opens up some interesting possibilities.
 

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I think it was a wash.

The season Martinelli had defied expectations.

I expected a little more from Tre, but not terribly disappointed. I thought Bennerman would be a contributor, so that was a mild disappointment. West exceeded expectations.

The evaluation of the transfers depended on the day. Some games they were big disappointments. Some days the exceeded expectations. Overall, a modest disappointment.

Nothing from KJ was a huge disappointment since I had him penciled in as our second most important player.
Clayton started out disappointing, but clearly exceeded expectations by the end.
Gelo was pretty much a wash. Wasn't sure what to expect.
How did you expect anything from Bennerman? He came in thin as a rail and was an obvious RS. Singleton? Pretty hard to expect that much from a true Frosh. Thought he was pretty steady and a descent defender, The O will come, West was up and down but even that was a big plus. Expectations for KJ were off the charts so anything less that that is a huge disappointment....It is really hard to know what was going on, Everyone else was pretty much what you would expect
 

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How did you expect anything from Bennerman? He came in thin as a rail and was an obvious RS. Singleton? Pretty hard to expect that much from a true Frosh. Thought he was pretty steady and a descent defender, The O will come, West was up and down but even that was a big plus. Expectations for KJ were off the charts so anything less that that is a huge disappointment....It is really hard to know what was going on, Everyone else was pretty much what you would expect
I like to think of the cumulative effect of having so many young guys taking a step up at the same time. Everyone who played significant minutes, including Page and Reid, could make big steps forward. Of course you still have to fill the void left by Martinelli but this is college BB every team has key guys rotating out NU, only one.
 
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