**** all the people who think Pike can't coach

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Francis and Buchanan were very complimentary of the staff post game and multiple times gave them credit for keeping the team close together.

Happy for them and hope we can pick another 1-2 teams off.
Hope to see a good run on the Big Ten Tournament. It’s Rutgers postseason and I hope they make the best of it.

As for next year, Francis and Buchanan are the two most critical players to get back next year. Would also like to see Davis, Grant, Ogbole (if he gets another year of eligibility), Mark, Powers, Nwuli, Dortch , Jones and Zrno all return. The reality is we will likely lose quite a few of them, but the more continuity we have the better. Definitely need a center in the portal.
 
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I’m rolling my eyes because we will get another thread on one extreme or the other from someone else tonight based on the result

mugrat opinions are respected but you have a major bone to pick with anyone who is critical of the program it seems like. The day players got paid like pros that door was opened in my opinion

if you were a fan of an NFL team who had done some nice things a handful of years ago and then was having a losing season 3 years in a row after you know what the outcome would be for them

I’ve pivoted from halfway through the season until now to being willing to see what he can do with all the resources at his disposal

I’m a season ticket holder have been since pikes first season … I dare you to find me in section 205 and call me a CRONIE for being a little opinionated and critical of the success and failures of my Alma mater

and then I dare you to call me a bad fan cause I have high expectations. I respect your opinions try to do your best to respect others if they don’t agree with you

end of the day let’s all root for Rutgers to shock the world tonight and get another crack at Sparty
 

mugrat86

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Well since I was responding the below which was trying to give Pike credit for ignoring detractors and going after Francis, I'd say him not actually wanting Francis would be relevant.

"Just a shame that Pikiel wasted NIL on that short kid from NJIT, pure nepotism, Pikiel knows nothing about recruiting, or at least that’s what all Pikiel’s detractors said about his recruiting Tariq Francis. All Francis has done is lead the team in scoring all season and set the Rutgers record for most points in a Big Ten Tournament game. Kudos to Pikiel, Francis and the rest of the team for playing hard and not giving up. Hope Francis and a core group of players on this team return."
There is no proof of that
 

mugrat86

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No I’m thinking how when some of us on here use something Richie said in an argument you all jump on us and say we can’t listen to what the moderators say.
In this case, that number is pretty obvious by the talent level
 

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The reason many of us want to move on from Pike isn't that he's a bad coach. Anybody with a brain knows he's a good coach. For me, the issue is his skill set in the NIL era. I don't care how little help he got; there is no way he can let Cliff walk when he had Ace and Dylan on the roster. I'll concede he had some rotten luck with Acuff getting injured in the pre-season, but the failure to put a team around Ace and Dylan is unforgivable.
Considering Hobbs did ZERO as far a raising NIL money, I wonder if Pike had personally called every season ticket holder & begged for donations to keep Cliff, how much he could have raised? Having run fundraisers for RU for many years I think he might have been able to raise around $50,000, not near enough to keep or buy anyone of value.
 

mugrat86

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I’m rolling my eyes because we will get another thread on one extreme or the other from someone else tonight based on the result

mugrat opinions are respected but you have a major bone to pick with anyone who is critical of the program it seems like. The day players got paid like pros that door was opened in my opinion

if you were a fan of an NFL team who had done some nice things a handful of years ago and then was having a losing season 3 years in a row after you know what the outcome would be for them

I’ve pivoted from halfway through the season until now to being willing to see what he can do with all the resources at his disposal

I’m a season ticket holder have been since pikes first season … I dare you to find me in section 205 and call me a CRONIE for being a little opinionated and critical of the success and failures of my Alma mater

and then I dare you to call me a bad fan cause I have high expectations. I respect your opinions try to do your best to respect others if they don’t agree with you

end of the day let’s all root for Rutgers to shock the world tonight and get another crack at Sparty
I just did a whole diatribe on my opinion of Pike saying he was far from perfect and I get some of the criticism. What is infuriating is people thinking that lack of NIL is not an excuse for finishing in the bottom of the conference. We are doing a lot better than teams who are in a similar financial position and therefore Pike is punching above his weight. How do people expect us to beat teams with 7 times the payroll? He has already proven that he could get to the top performers in conference Pre-NIL. There is no other coach willing to work under similar restrictions that would perform better than Pike
 

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So where do I start with your post. Nobody is claiming that Minnesota is a good team. Your explanation in the third paragraph is absolutely right on, however many of us were tired of saying your statement in paragraph 3 over and over again in response to people like you claiming we won't win any conference games, Pike's coaching is outdated, he couldn't even win with two lottery picks, etc

The facts are this team has come a long way from the beginning of the year, and they are starting to play very exciting basketball. This despite having a payroll that is lowest in league. You would expect a team with our payroll with 7 freshman, and 9 newcomers to finish in last place in the conference. You keep saying over and over again that we are beating bad teams, but you forget that we should be categorized as a bad team, so beating them is an accomplishment. The Minnesota win was especially appealing because they kicked our *** earlier and they really have some quality players on that team.

It is not a coincidence that Izzo, Painter, and Cronin have all gone out of their way to totally praise the man. There is obviously mutual respect. Pike is certainly not perfect, and I could name some big mistakes he made, but he has also brought, even you, tons of exciting moments that are too numerous to list. Unlike you and your cronies, I don't think he should even be considered to be fired
where do you get the narrative that people were not thinking we werent winning any conference games...you keep repeating a lie, you even claimed the mods said it when I believed they predcited 6-14 and I also predicted 6-14 so that was not winning zero conference games. I still think Pikes coaching is outdated for this new system....turnover and heavy use of portal every year where you have to have your roster read to play from day 1 not mid February.
 

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Wait what? Hey I am impressed by last night but let's be real. 3 of those 4 were in his first 2 years. He's 2 and 6 last 5 years and 4 - 0 last 9 for March. He's 1 - 3 in the NCAA and 0 - 1 in the NIT.
Certainly hoping he adds another tonight. IF so this would clearly (for me) be one of his best coaching jobs and a huge turn around.
the reality is that in 10 years RU has never made it past the quarters and only appeared their 2x, losing to Purdue after winning two games and then finishing as a 4 seed getting a bye to quarters and wallopped by Iowa and sentenced to Dayton.
 

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He’s going to have ample support this offseason to put the back and forth to bed as to whether he can do it or not

he’s got about 6 guys that are must retain on the roster and needs to flex his eye for talent this offseason

if Francis mark Zrno Buchanan grant and maybe Davis and ogbole come back I can be an optimist

I can do with or without dortch and powers if he can find suitable talent replacements
I'd trade Nwuli for Grant.
 

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where do you get the narrative that people were not thinking we werent winning any conference games...you keep repeating a lie, you even claimed the mods said it when I believed they predcited 6-14 and I also predicted 6-14 so that was not winning zero conference games. I still think Pikes coaching is outdated for this new system....turnover and heavy use of portal every year where you have to have your roster read to play from day 1 not mid February.

There were a lottt of people saying we wouldn’t win any conference games during non conference play. Or maybe only win a couple at most.

I think even the mods were questioning their pre season predictions.
 

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the reality is that in 10 years RU has never made it past the quarters and only appeared their 2x, losing to Purdue after winning two games and then finishing as a 4 seed getting a bye to quarters and wallopped by Iowa and sentenced to Dayton.
yup..and in case anyone reads your quote of me, mine had a typo..not 4-0 last 9 but 4 - 9 last 8 years.

I hope having played last night give us the advantage tonight and we come out hot and UCLA needs a half to get up to speed.
 
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I think some Rutgers fans definition of what a good team is basically anyone with a pulse. Minnesota has beaten some good teams this year. They are a 6 man well coached team and they are not a bad team but schools are under 500 for a reason. Northwestern was great yesterday but overall these are not good team. Mediocre is a word. Rutgers, Minnesota, Northwestern and Washington are all mediocre schools. Good teams are on the ncaa field.....we see that even teams like Indiana who go are on the bubble arent even up to snuff.

the jump from mediocre to ncaa is pretty large. Every RU fan should know that over the year because we have alot of 14-17 to 17-14 seasons over the course of time. The goal is the NCAA and I think for some reason some fans are forgetting this and the bar has become so low where a win like yesterday is celebrated with an OP making some sort of odd victory lap.

Team and Pike should get alot of credit for getting better and getting a Big 10 tourney win against a team that crushed RU last time. There has been obvious improvement since the low point of Central Connecticut State. Next year the roster will have a serious upgrade and some of the players from last night will have diminished roles or not even be here. Next year there will be at least 2 new starters and a signficant 6th/7th man presence. Keeping Francis is imperative because without him RU goes back to score one. TQ is everything to this team and most of us were wrong about him and he is that catch lightening in a bottle player that we have dreamed of for years. Unfortunately the rest of the team overall talent level not really up to snuff and very inconsistent. Next year Pikes has the $$$ and opportunity to prove he can compete and have RU competing for a NCAA bid. Anything less than that and his job will be under fire.
Fair post. Happy you have come around to our team has improved and placed us in an appropriate mediocre category. Yes , we are not an NCAA team and hopefully Pike can get a very competent 4 and 5 in the portal and maybe one more scorer / 3 wing 2 way player if he is lucky . Then he has to blend them together with the hopeful returnees.
 
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There were a lottt of people saying we wouldn’t win any conference games during non conference play. Or maybe only win a couple at most.

I think even the mods were questioning their pre season predictions.
yeah alot of emotional responses after losing to central connecticut state understable...but in preseason prediction everyone was at least 3 and up to 8 even and the mods 6 and there is a reason we do BEFORE THE SEASON prediction threads
 

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yeah alot of emotional responses after losing to central connecticut state understable...but in preseason prediction everyone was at least 3 and up to 8 even and the mods 6 and there is a reason we do BEFORE THE SEASON prediction threads

Reacting that strongly and changing predictions after a poor non conference loss isn’t really understandable.

Just shows we have a lot of people on here posting that don’t follow college basketball closely.
 
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yeah alot of emotional responses after losing to central connecticut state understable...but in preseason prediction everyone was at least 3 and up to 8 even and the mods 6 and there is a reason we do BEFORE THE SEASON prediction threads
I'll say it again..if we only had held on the beat MSU. That win would in itself have had a significant positive impact on season performance. Just a couple of seconds, a foul shot, a possession.

7 -13
Beat a top 5 team. ( iirc)
Finished tied for 12th.
And I think removes most debate on over performance or not. But alas..those are the games/finishes (and the post season results) that cause me concern regardless of record, recruiting, rrtainment, etc.
 

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So where do I start with your post. Nobody is claiming that Minnesota is a good team. Your explanation in the third paragraph is absolutely right on, however many of us were tired of saying your statement in paragraph 3 over and over again in response to people like you claiming we won't win any conference games, Pike's coaching is outdated, he couldn't even win with two lottery picks, etc

The facts are this team has come a long way from the beginning of the year, and they are starting to play very exciting basketball. This despite having a payroll that is lowest in league. You would expect a team with our payroll with 7 freshman, and 9 newcomers to finish in last place in the conference. You keep saying over and over again that we are beating bad teams, but you forget that we should be categorized as a bad team, so beating them is an accomplishment. The Minnesota win was especially appealing because they kicked our *** earlier and they really have some quality players on that team.

It is not a coincidence that Izzo, Painter, and Cronin have all gone out of their way to totally praise the man. There is obviously mutual respect. Pike is certainly not perfect, and I could name some big mistakes he made, but he has also brought, even you, tons of exciting moments that are too numerous to list. Unlike you and your cronies, I don't think he should even be considered to be fired
I respect and admire Pike as much s anyone on these boards. What he did to elevate the program from the depths of despair should be praised for years. But asa long suffering Rutgers alum and fan, I want more. I want our teams and our coaches to be judged against the best . Nebraska sucked just a few years ago and now they're in the NCAAs and seeded #2 in the big Ten tournament. It can happen quickly. And in football Indiana went from being a "basketball school" to having won a National Championship. We've waited long enough to be part of the conversation. But we need to demand it , we need to expect it and most of all we need to support it with our money.
 
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Over the last forty (!!!) years here are how many 7+ conference win seasons our MBB HCs have had:

Steve Pikiell (7x)
Eddie Jordan (0x)
Mike Rice (0x)
Fred Hill (0x)
Gary Waters (3x)
Kevin Bannon (1x)
Bob Wenzel (4x)

In the past two generations (!!!!) of Rutgers basketball Steve Pikiell has won 7 or more conference games ONE fewer time than the previous six(!!) Rutgers basketball HCs combined.

It is certainly fair to question if the new NIL landscape is an environment that Coach Pikiell is equipped to navigate. But Pikiell is the best MBB HC at Rutgers since some posters grandparents attended games. And (imo) Coach Pikiell is the best HC equipped to get us back to the standard he himself has set as to what success looks like On the Banks.
 

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I'll say it again..if we only had held on the beat MSU. That win would in itself have had a significant positive impact on season performance. Just a couple of seconds, a foul shot, a possession.

7 -13
Beat a top 5 team. ( iirc)
Finished tied for 12th.
And I think removes most debate on over performance or not. But alas..those are the games/finishes (and the post season results) that cause me concern regardless of record, recruiting, rrtainment, etc.
I would rather save the win against Michigan State for tomorrow
 
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Over the last forty (!!!) years here are how many 7+ conference win seasons our MBB HCs have had:

Steve Pikiell (7x)
Eddie Jordan (0x)
Mike Rice (0x)
Fred Hill (0x)
Gary Waters (3x)
Kevin Bannon (1x)
Bob Wenzel (4x)

In the past two generations (!!!!) of Rutgers basketball Steve Pikiell has won 7 or more conference games ONE fewer time than the previous six(!!) Rutgers basketball HCs combined.

It is certainly fair to question if the new NIL landscape is an environment that Coach Pikiell is equipped to navigate. But Pikiell is the best MBB HC at Rutgers since some posters grandparents attended games. And (imo) Coach Pikiell is the best HC equipped to get us back to the standard he himself has set as to what success looks like On the Banks.
That's nice, but since Tom Young left Rutgers has never been considered a top program.
I'm tired of that and if Pike can't make RU MBB into a constant tourney team, he needs to be replaced.
Gary Waters was a good coach, but couldn't cut it in the Big East.
Steve Pikiell is also a good coach, time to prove he can cut it in the B1G.
Ending this season on the upswing is a good sign, but next season needs to be the proof in the pudding and not another without the cigar .
Other programs consider infrequent tourney trips failure and failure isn't accepted.
Rutgers seems to think close is good enough to give hope and as the years go by hoping next year will be the one seems to be the mood if the team ends the season on the upswing but winds up left out.
 

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We really doing victory laps after that? Come on man.

Really good win for the team, yes.

Minnesota is not a good team, also yes.

Pike has had the best R hoops teams in the last 30+ years, also yes.

Program has also been trending in the wrong direction for the past 3 years, also yes.

Why can’t we just be honest around here?
You have been trending in the wrong direction since you signed on here.
 
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mugrat86

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That's nice, but since Tom Young left Rutgers has never been considered a top program.
I'm tired of that and if Pike can't make RU MBB into a constant tourney team, he needs to be replaced.
Gary Waters was a good coach, but couldn't cut it in the Big East.
Steve Pikiell is also a good coach, time to prove he can cut it in the B1G.
Ending this season on the upswing is a good sign, but next season needs to be the proof in the pudding and not another without the cigar .
Other programs consider infrequent tourney trips failure and failure isn't accepted.
Rutgers seems to think close is good enough to give hope and as the years go by hoping next year will be the one seems to be the mood if the team ends the season on the upswing but winds up left out.

That's nice, but since Tom Young left Rutgers has never been considered a top program.
I'm tired of that and if Pike can't make RU MBB into a constant tourney team, he needs to be replaced.
Gary Waters was a good coach, but couldn't cut it in the Big East.
Steve Pikiell is also a good coach, time to prove he can cut it in the B1G.
Ending this season on the upswing is a good sign, but next season needs to be the proof in the pudding and not another without the cigar .
Other programs consider infrequent tourney trips failure and failure isn't accepted.
Rutgers seems to think close is good enough to give hope and as the years go by hoping next year will be the one seems to be the mood if the team ends the season on the upswing but winds up left out.
Not sure if you watched Tom Young teams or not. TY was there 12 years and he went to 4 NCAA tournaments. He did go to a final four, but that was with his predecessors players. He certainly wasn't a consistent tourney team. Is that your definition of a top program?
 
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I went from intentionally not watching in January to getting hyped as February rolled on. Wiil be sorry to see season end compared to wishing it over just a few weeks ago.
 
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I went from intentionally not watching in January to getting hyped as February rolled on. Wiil be sorry to see season end compared to wishing it over just a few weeks ago.
I feel similarly. This team is very fun to watch. It's like a box of chocolates you never know what you are going to get
 

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Considering Hobbs did ZERO as far a raising NIL money, I wonder if Pike had personally called every season ticket holder & begged for donations to keep Cliff, how much he could have raised? Having run fundraisers for RU for many years I think he might have been able to raise around $50,000, not near enough to keep or buy anyone of value.

PIke called every season ticket holder? I’ve been a season ticket holder since ‘89 and I haven’t even gotten a single call from anyone at Rutgers (including any ticket rep) in more than two years…lol.
 

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PIke called every season ticket holder? I’ve been a season ticket holder since ‘89 and I haven’t even gotten a single call from anyone at Rutgers (including any ticket rep) in more than two years…lol.
I think you have a reading comprehension issue
 

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Not sure if you watched Tom Young teams or not. TY was there 12 years and he went to 4 NCAA tournaments. He did go to a final four, but that was with his predecessors players. Is that your definition of a top program?
But his teams were considered top programs for awhile and that's what I'm talking about.
I feel Bill Forster built RU MBB into a program on the way to be elite
Back in those days making the NCAA was a lot tougher than it is today and the support Young (239-116 as RU's HC)) and Forster received from the University had a lot to do with not being a regular tourney entrant (Foster despite being 120–75 in his RU career) never made one .
Both moved on ( on their own)and should be considered better than all who came after them and built programs we could be more proud of than any RU HC did that came after them.
Maybe I was wrong to say RU was ever a top College program , but both Young and Foster came the closest to building one and Young did make Rutgers a great one at least for one year .
A google search had Young coaching a top program, but accepting it is a personal choice.

>Yes, Rutgers men's basketball was considered a top-tier program during
Tom Young’s tenure (1973–1985). Young, the program's winningest coach with a 239-117 record, led the 1976 team to a perfect 26-0 regular season and the NCAA Final Four. During this era, the program had no losing seasons, made four NCAA Tournament appearances, and frequently played at a high level. <

another search found this
>Bill Foster ushered in the first truly successful era in Rutgers basketball history. His eight teams posted a 120-75 record, following a 22-7 mark in 1966-67 with a 21-4 mark in 1968-69. That 1966-67 team earned a third-place finish in the NIT, becoming the first Rutgers basketball team to reach post-season play.<

Bill was the HC when I started following the RU MBB team,
WBB wasn't around yet and Dr.John had the RU FB program rolling , in a D-1AA way.
 

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He is an average D1 coach (.505), below average B10 coach (.393). Ten seasons with 1 twenty-win season and 1 tourney win. I think 10-23 from three is the story more than coaching for this game, but he did a good job last night and deserves credit. Happy for all RU people, especially the players.
 

mugrat86

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But his teams were considered top programs for awhile and that's what I'm talking about.
I feel Bill Forster built RU MBB into a program on the way to be elite
Back in those days making the NCAA was a lot tougher than it is today and the support Young (239-116 as RU's HC)) and Forster received from the University had a lot to do with not being a regular tourney entrant (Foster despite being 120–75 in his RU career) never made one .
Both moved on ( on their own)and should be considered better than all who came after them and built programs we could be more proud of than any RU HC did that came after them.
Maybe I was wrong to say RU was ever a top College program , but both Young and Foster came the closest to building one and Young did make Rutgers a great one at least for one year .
A google search had Young coaching a top program, but accepting it is a personal choice.

>Yes, Rutgers men's basketball was considered a top-tier program during
Tom Young’s tenure (1973–1985). Young, the program's winningest coach with a 239-117 record, led the 1976 team to a perfect 26-0 regular season and the NCAA Final Four. During this era, the program had no losing seasons, made four NCAA Tournament appearances, and frequently played at a high level. <

another search found this
>Bill Foster ushered in the first truly successful era in Rutgers basketball history. His eight teams posted a 120-75 record, following a 22-7 mark in 1966-67 with a 21-4 mark in 1968-69. That 1966-67 team earned a third-place finish in the NIT, becoming the first Rutgers basketball team to reach post-season play.<

Bill was the HC when I started following the RU MBB team,
WBB wasn't around yet and Dr.John had the RU FB program rolling , in a D-1AA way.
Go look at the schedule Rutgers played under Young and compare it to our current schedule. We played in the Eastern 8 and later the Atlantic 10 which was a just step better than the current Atlantic 10. During his 12 years at Rutgers, Young beat 10 ranked teams compared to 18 in 10 years by Pike. Young made the dance 4 times and Pike made it twice but really would have been 3 times if not for Covid. They were definitely in that year

Towards the end of Young's RU career, fans were having similar frustrations as they are now. Young left Rutgers for a worse program for two main reasons. First, he wanted to get into Big East and Grunninger wanted to wait for a super conference to form for football and basketball. Secondly, Grunninger would not extend his contract because the last couple of years the program's recruiting and trajectory were heading south.

The point of the story is you are perceiving Young to be the leader of a top program, and many think Pike is a bum. In reality, Pike is just a step below Young in his success at Rutgers
 
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We’re being honest -

Pikiell can coach. Very well.
After 4 losing seasons, including last year with two great players, he just became a good coach by beating a team below us in the standings that had only 6 players and was playing on 24 hours rest. He might be Big 10 coach of the year.
 
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Go look at the schedule Rutgers played under Young and compare it to our current schedule. We played in the Eastern 8 and later the Atlantic 10 which was a just step better than the current Atlantic 10. During his 12 years at Rutgers, Young beat 10 ranked teams compared to 18 in 10 years by Pike. Young made the dance 4 times and Pike made it twice but really would have been 3 times if not for Covid. They were definitely in that year

Towards the end of Young's RU career, fans were having similar frustrations as they are now. Young left Rutgers for a worse program for two main reasons. First, he wanted to get into Big East and Grunninger wanted to wait for a super conference to form for football and basketball. Secondly, Grunninger would not extend his contract because the last couple of years the program's recruiting and trajectory were heading south.

The point of the story is you are perceiving Young to be the leader of a top program, and many think Pike is a bum. In reality, Pike is just a step below Young in his success at Rutgers
You have your opinion of Young and I have mine.
Tom didn't have the backing and as the college basketball world was changing Rutgers wasn't helping him keep up.
That's why he left for Old Dominion .
It wasn't not being extended, Tom was pissed about Fred turning down the Big East and left because oi that.
As for recruiting going south, the help Fred was giving RU Athletics was a major factor in making them less competitive in the recruiting scene along with competing equally with top programs on the field .
Tom knew it would only get worse, so he left because he seen no future for RU MBB if it wasn't in a major conference, Top talent didn't want to commit to schools that weren't major players and Fred was making RU into one of the little guys in the minors that had to kook up to the big boys playing in the majors.
Tom or Bill today would do far better than Steve has done.
Back in the the competition for post season was a lot tougher than it is now and unless you're in a big boy conference making the tourney was even harder
There were 53 teams in the 1984 NCAA tourney and 23 auto qualifiers.
At large bids were hard to het for lesser conference teams that didn't win their conference championship and get an auto bid
Tom's last RU team went 15-13 and didn't come close to qualifying , Temple and WV made the grade and Young could see how Fred's lack of support would be a problem he couldn't solve and recruiting talent ever harder .
Especially with local talent looking at Big East schools.
Tom wasn't nudged out like you implied, he put on his running shoes and ran away , bringing on a great Fred hire that made Rutgers men's basketball a disaster area and RU never returned to being the type of program it was in the Foster and Young eras under any HC that followed Littlepage
Tom Young was better than you claim, but everone has their own opinion and I feel Young had a top program for a short time then lack of institutional support brought it down.

As for Pike being a bum, I won't say that, but will imply that so far he hasn't proven to be B1G material and unless he does soon, Steve needs to go .
RU must find a HC that's up to making RUMBB a top B1G program or at least one that's a constant tourney invite,.
I think Pike might be a step and a half slower than Tom and Bill, but is Gary Walter's equal
Pike has a lot to prove before you put him close to Young or Foster when it comes to winning
 
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Go look at the schedule Rutgers played under Young and compare it to our current schedule. We played in the Eastern 8 and later the Atlantic 10 which was a just step better than the current Atlantic 10. During his 12 years at Rutgers, Young beat 10 ranked teams compared to 18 in 10 years by Pike. Young made the dance 4 times and Pike made it twice but really would have been 3 times if not for Covid. They were definitely in that year

Towards the end of Young's RU career, fans were having similar frustrations as they are now. Young left Rutgers for a worse program for two main reasons. First, he wanted to get into Big East and Grunninger wanted to wait for a super conference to form for football and basketball. Secondly, Grunninger would not extend his contract because the last couple of years the program's recruiting and trajectory were heading south.

The point of the story is you are perceiving Young to be the leader of a top program, and many think Pike is a bum. In reality, Pike is just a step below Young in his success at Rutgers
You are a complete imbecile if you think Pikiel is any where near as good as Young. Also, teams like Temple, St.Bonaventure, and Princeton back then would destroy the Temple, St. Bonaventure, and Princeton teams today.
 
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Go look at the schedule Rutgers played under Young and compare it to our current schedule. We played in the Eastern 8 and later the Atlantic 10 which was a just step better than the current Atlantic 10. During his 12 years at Rutgers, Young beat 10 ranked teams compared to 18 in 10 years by Pike. Young made the dance 4 times and Pike made it twice but really would have been 3 times if not for Covid. They were definitely in that year

Towards the end of Young's RU career, fans were having similar frustrations as they are now. Young left Rutgers for a worse program for two main reasons. First, he wanted to get into Big East and Grunninger wanted to wait for a super conference to form for football and basketball. Secondly, Grunninger would not extend his contract because the last couple of years the program's recruiting and trajectory were heading south.

The point of the story is you are perceiving Young to be the leader of a top program, and many think Pike is a bum. In reality, Pike is just a step below Young in his success at Rutgers
brush up on your history kid
 

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You have your opinion of Young and I have mine.
Tom didn't have the backing and as the college basketball world was changing Rutgers wasn't helping him keep up.
That's why he left for Old Dominion .
It wasn't not being extended, Tom was pissed about Fred turning down the Big East and left because oi that.
As for recruiting going south, the help Fred was giving RU Athletics was a major factor in making them less competitive in the recruiting scene along with competing equally with top programs on the field .
Tom knew it would only get worse, so he left because he seen no future for RU MBB if it wasn't in a major conference, Top talent didn't want to commit to schools that weren't major players and Fred was making RU into one of the little guys in the minors that had to kook up to the big boys playing in the majors.
Tom or Bill today would do far better than Steve has done.
Back in the the competition for post season was a lot tougher than it is now and unless you're in a big boy conference making the tourney was even harder
There were 53 teams in the 1984 NCAA tourney and 23 auto qualifiers.
At large bids were hard to het for lesser conference teams that didn't win their conference championship and get an auto bid
Tom's last RU team went 15-13 and didn't come close to qualifying , Temple and WV made the grade and Young could see how Fred's lack of support would be a problem he couldn't solve and recruiting talent ever harder .
Especially with local talent looking at Big East schools.
Tom wasn't nudged out like you implied, he put on his running shoes and ran away , bringing on a great Fred hire that made Rutgers men's basketball a disaster area and RU never returned to being the type of program it was in the Foster and Young eras under any HC that followed Littlepage
Tom Young was better than you claim, but everone has their own opinion and I feel Young had a top program for a short time then lack of institutional support brought it down.

As for Pike being a bum, I won't say that, but will imply that so far he hasn't proven to be B1G material and unless he does soon, Steve needs to go .
RU must find a HC that's up to making RUMBB a top B1G program or at least one that's a constant tourney invite,.
I think Pike might be a step and a half slower than Tom and Bill, but is Gary Walter's equal
Pike has a lot to prove before you put him close to Young or Foster when it comes to winning

The lack of help by Grunninger is absolutely true, but that story sounds very familiar considering Hobbs did Pike no favors. Before you put Young in the hall of fame know he was under .500 at Old Dominion. The Atlantic 10 had many teams in the league that were jokes. Duquesne, URI, Penn St, St Bonaventure. Nothing like playing a BIG1G schedule
 

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You are a complete imbecile if you think Pikiel is any where near as good as Young. Also, teams like Temple, St.Bonaventure, and Princeton back then would destroy the Temple, St. Bonaventure, and Princeton teams today.
Temple was the only program you name that was any type of team that could compete in the BIG1G. Princeton wasn't in the conference