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Frank Martin and UMass ruin Miami (OH) perfect season...do they still get in?

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Big debate over whether Miami (OH) deserves to get in the tournament without winning their conference title. The concluded a perfect regular season but had a woeful strength of schedule with zero Quad 1 games and 15 Quad 4 games against the likes of Trinity Christian, Indiana East and Milligan. Their KenPom rating was 361 out of 365 teams.

Miami's argument for the terrible SOS is that nobody wanted to play them. They had the 231st ranked schedule.

Lots of Stephen A. Smith types fomenting about the mere possibility that they could possibly not make the tournament if they failed to win their conference tournament. The record shouldn't fool anyone.
 
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Worth noting they compiled their record with just about the weakest OOC schedule AND in the MAC which is one of the weakest conferences.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Facts are not inherently positive or negative.

Which of the stated facts are troubling to you?
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I am not troubled. I'm fairly confident they get in. I went to school and played basketball in the MAC. Any team that loses 1 game in the MAC should be and likely will be in. Nobody is going to convince me otherwise.
 
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Viennacock said:
I am not troubled. I'm fairly confident they get in. I went to school and played basketball in the MAC. Any team that loses 1 game in the MAC should be and likely will be in. Nobody is going to convince me otherwise.
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Frank Martin will convince you.
 
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Viennacock said:
I am not troubled. I'm fairly confident they get in. I went to school and played basketball in the MAC. Any team that loses 1 game in the MAC should be and likely will be in. Nobody is going to convince me otherwise.
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I think you may be right. But anything can happen with
fickle-minded committee members.

Remember in football when we thought winning a major conference championship would get you in the CFP? Then, Duke was left at the altar.
 
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3USC1801 said:
I think you may be right. But anything can happen with
fickle-minded committee members.

Remember in football when we thought winning a major conference championship would get you in the CFP? Then, Duke was left at the altar.
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Agreed. That's why I say fairly certain. They belong, but the committee will likely put them in because it will bring lots of eyes ($$) to a first round game and/or a play-in game. I would be watching their first game regardless of conference.
 
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I am not a Frank fan, but he said it would be a complete embarrassment if the MAC didn't get two teams in the tournament. Frank and I agree.
 
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LOL, MIami (OH) put in the First Four, lol. B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but they were 31-1.

I guess they found a hack, though Play in a ridiculous joke of a conference. Play an even more ridiculous joke of an out of conference schedule (Milligan).
 
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LOL, MIami (OH) put in the First Four, lol. B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but they were 31-1.

I guess they found a hack, though Play in a ridiculous joke of a conference. Play an even more ridiculous joke of an out of conference schedule (Milligan).
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I said they were likely in and they are in (as an11 seed). Appears the facts are troubling you.

They may lose their first game but they are dancing.
 
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Viennacock said:
I said they were likely in and they are in (as an11 seed). Appears the facts are troubling you.

They may lose their first game but they are dancing.
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Pump those brakes, sport. They aren't in yet. They are called "play-in" games for reason. They are playing to get IN.
 
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Uscg1984 said:
I think the tournament would be more interesting with a one-loss Miami team than some 19-15 P4 team.
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What would be more interesting about it, though? Even if Miami ends up making the tournament by winning their play-in game, they will surely get bounced. Record aside, a 19-15 P4 team would most certainly put up a better showing.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Pump those brakes, sport. They aren't in yet. They are called "play-in" games for reason. They are playing to get IN.
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They are IN. it is a 68 team tournament, and they are an 11 seed, not a 16. They just happen to play another 11 seed to continue. Just like VCU did a number of years ago on their way to the final four.
 
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Crutcher said:
They are IN. it is a 68 team tournament, and they are an 11 seed, not a 16. They just happen to play another 11 seed to continue. Just like VCU did a number of years ago on their way to the final four.
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If they are in, then why do they have to play a play-in game?

If they are in they are folks saying they were snubbed by being placed in a play-in game?
 
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18IsTheMan said:
What would be more interesting about it, though? Even if Miami ends up making the tournament by winning their play-in game, they will surely get bounced. Record aside, a 19-15 P4 team would most certainly put up a better showing.
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More interesting in the sense that the 19-15 team is a known commodity. Almost half the teams they played this year beat them. On any given night, they may be able to hang with a contender, but they have proven they aren't a contender themselves. The 30-1 team that comes from a weak conference and plays nobody may be no better than the 19-15 team, but who knows? They probably aren't a contender either, but at least we have yet to see them play quality teams so it might be interesting.

Before this discussion goes much further, I should warn you I have no stamina when it comes to arguing about the 60th - 68th teams in the NCAA tournament. I view it kind of like a primary candidate who demands a recount after coming in 8th with less than 1% of the vote. It doesn't matter.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
If they are in, then why do they have to play a play-in game?

If they are in they are folks saying they were snubbed by being placed in a play-in game?
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Now you're being politically incorrect.

The NCAA insists they aren't "play-in" games, but rather they are the "First Four".

I think "Last Four" would be more accurate.... but maybe they are referring to the order in which teams are eliminated from the tourney? 🤔

Of course, we all know that calling a dog a cat doesn't make it one, but the NCAA likes to play that game so no one gets their feelings hurt.
 
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Uscg1984 said:
I think the tournament would be more interesting with a one-loss Miami team than some 19-15 P4 team.
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18IsTheMan said:
LOL, MIami (OH) put in the First Four, lol. B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but they were 31-1.

I guess they found a hack, though Play in a ridiculous joke of a conference. Play an even more ridiculous joke of an out of conference schedule (Milligan).
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As Gamecocks, we probably shouldn't be throwing shade on any winning problem regardless of the strength of their schedule, why, because we have been absolutely horrible 3 out of the last four years and not much prior to that either.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Pump those brakes, sport. They aren't in yet. They are called "play-in" games for reason. They are playing to get IN.
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last time I checked we are 13-19 and we were rather pathetic last year as well, Miami of Ohio is a winner and we are a loser until proven otherwise.
 
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I wou,d give my left nut to have Frank back. I like Paris, but I don't believe he is the answer. At least our teams, under Frank, were hard-nose competitors. I value effort.
 
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I see Miami of Ohio defeated SMU last night 89-79 last night in the NCAA Tournament.
 
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RL09 said:
I see Miami of Ohio defeated SMU last night 89-79 last night in the NCAA Tournament.
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I watched some of the game last night. Miami was raining down the 3's. 39%
Anyone dissing this team because they think they know all about the MAC regarding basketball is just posturing.

Cue up the post of stats to claim "The MAC stinks because...) in 3, 2, 1
 
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NAIA is probably the biggest winner in all of this. Milligan's phone gonna be blowing up with mid-majors who want to play crappy OOC schedules now.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Pump those brakes, sport. They aren't in yet. They are called "play-in" games for reason. They are playing to get IN.
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They were in and are still in cowboy! Your negative talk gets old. You can criticize the MAC all you want. It's a conference you or your family will never sniff from an athletic standpoint.
 
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Viennacock said:
They were in and are still in cowboy! Your negative talk gets old. You can criticize the MAC all you want. It's a conference you or your family will never sniff from an athletic standpoint.
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If they were "in" why were they playing to get in?
 
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I watched some of the game last night. Miami was raining down the 3's. 39%
Anyone dissing this team because they think they know all about the MAC regarding basketball is just posturing.

Cue up the post of stats to claim "The MAC stinks because...) in 3, 2, 1
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18 is the ring leader of incorrect takes. He even claims victory after he clearly loses. Odd but par for the course.
 
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Harvard Gamecock said:
I watched some of the game last night. Miami was raining down the 3's. 39%
Anyone dissing this team because they think they know all about the MAC regarding basketball is just posturing.

Cue up the post of stats to claim "The MAC stinks because...) in 3, 2, 1
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They didn't get in b/c of the MAC, they got in b/c they played a bunch of NAIA teams.
 
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I'll give them credit for figuring out a mid-major hack. Refuse to play any Quad 1 games. Line up a steady string of stiffs for your OOC.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
They didn't get in b/c of the MAC, they got in b/c they played a bunch of NAIA teams.
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Paris should consider copying their model. Play a bunch of NAIA teams before SEC play begins to pad the record and then hang on and hope for enough SEC wins to get to at least the play in game.
 
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Piscis said:
Paris should consider copying their model. Play a bunch of NAIA teams before SEC play begins to pad the record and then hang on and hope for enough SEC wins to get to at least the play in game.
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It worked to some degree in our NCAAT year. Paris admitted prior to the season that he scheduled a soft OOC to bolster our record. We ended up being good and having a good SEC record as well, but this deal with Miami shows the committee doesn't give a rip about strength of schedule. Seriously, just play NAIA teams.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
They didn't get in b/c of the MAC, they got in b/c they played a bunch of NAIA teams.
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18IsTheMan said:
I'll give them credit for figuring out a mid-major hack. Refuse to play any Quad 1 games. Line up a steady string of stiffs for your OOC.
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Absolutely, I'm so proud that our program did not stoop to that level. Hmm, upon further review, perhaps we should examine our OOC.

NC A&T
Southern Miss
Presberterian
Radford
Charleston Southern
Stetson
Citadel
SC State
and the Mighty Great Danes from Alabany.

Somewhere the "Do not throw stones.... , quote should be making a quick appearance.
 
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Piscis said:
Paris should consider copying their model. Play a bunch of NAIA teams before SEC play begins to pad the record and then hang on and hope for enough SEC wins to get to at least the play in game.
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I really think there's merit to it. You would think a school from the MAC, which is one of the weakest mid-majors, would need to beef up their resume with some strong OOC teams, but they went the other way and played the weakest OOC they could schedule. Committee doesn't care. All they looked at was the final record. It's really no more complicated than that. People think there's all sorts of calculus that goes into it.

We should ONLY schedule the weakest teams we can get for our OOC. If we're actually good, we'll have a good conference record, and the OOC won't matter anyway. If we're not good enough to have a good record in the SEC, we won't be good enough to beat competent OOC teams anyway. So just follow Miami's blueprint. Avoid tough games at all cost. Miami still hasn't played a good team all year. Doesn't matter.
 
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