Anyone got any other data to back this up or refute it?
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Don’t tell me climate/weather is the main reason for this migration.
Look at ID, MT, ME. One word: governmentpolicies.
Taxes and cost of living trump climate.
I can confirm firsthand AL and SC are seeing growth requiring some major infrastructure investment.
Look at ID, MT, ME. One word: governmentpolicies.
Taxes and cost of living trump climate.
I can confirm firsthand AL and SC are seeing growth requiring some major infrastructure investment.
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Since "government policies" is two words, let me offer an alternative "one word": Demographics.
East and West coasts look pretty accurate. Cost of living and taxes are killing them. That Mississippi number seems a big high.
I don't know. A LOT of reasons not to live in Florida these days. It can be virtually impossible to insure your house or condo, and almost prohibitively expensive when you can get it.
No 17n way is that figure accurate for Mississippi in-migration.
North Carolina seems inaccurate. Charlotte is exploding right now.
We are looking at South Georgia, west of the costal marsh area, as a possible landing spot. Looking to avoid exorbitant real property costs and confiscatory property insurance premiums.
I read somewhere north carolina was actually the right number but supposed to be + vs -
South Carolina is booming— fastest population growth
Lots of reasons to go there
North Carolina data you've shared doesn’t make sense
And Mississippi being 17ed makes more sense than +17
I’m using data from from the National Association of Realtors:
https://www.nar.realtor/blogs/econo...nds-in-2025-the-south-leads-the-midwest-gains
Lots of reasons to go there
North Carolina data you've shared doesn’t make sense
And Mississippi being 17ed makes more sense than +17
I’m using data from from the National Association of Realtors:
https://www.nar.realtor/blogs/econo...nds-in-2025-the-south-leads-the-midwest-gains
lol. The chart also uses per 10000 to look more dramatic.
The Mississippi in migration would only be about 5500 net, so it is believable to me.
North Carolina does not see accurate to me.
I have seen multiple data sets showing huge outmigration from California, New York, & Illinois with additions to Texas, South Carolina, & Tennessee (Nashville).
I think this is probably it. Still a lot of low wage work in Florida but it's no longer low cost. Florida has the worst of it, but we have royally 17ed our insurance market in general. We keep making it more expensive to build a house without making them more robust to weather or natural disaster. So the insurance becomes prohibitively expensive.
And we haven't even started 17ing people fully with flood. The federal government is still putting out maps claiming an area has a .1 or .01 chance of flood in a given year, but then says the unsubsidized rate is one that would reflect flooding 3 or 4 times in a hundred year period. That's going to screw up the coastal markets over time as a lot of people actually relied upon the FEMA flood ratings to determine risk, so there is a bunch of property that will eventually have to be self-insured if they don't do something with the NFIP.
It matches up, more or less with the national realtor data that Maroon Eagle linked. I mean, percentage wise, it's way off if you are comparing the net migration number from this data set to the one from the national association of realtors (this one is ~38% higher). But if you're looking at in comparison to the state population of close to ~3M, then one finding +4,000 and the other finding +5,500 for something that as messy as net migration seems pretty consistent (.13% to .18% positive net migration).
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That makes a LOT more sense. That NC number jumped off that map to me as by far the most surprising one.
Living on the Coast, the Mississippi number seems low to me. It is absolutely ridiculous how many people are down here now. We can't keep up.
It’s the same up here but there’s many parts of the state where it’s the other way.
I am connected to two economic councils and chambers. Also, I am in the construction business. This chart is using 10,000 which makes the swing look bigger, but we are growing. I am currently working with a few Universities, high schools, and companies on a project to help kids see the benefit of staying in the state. I left the state after State but came back. Desota, Tupelo, Hattiesburg, and the Coast are growing. I think the future is bright.
Same in Tupelo. My neighborhood alone has gained four families from out of State moving here for work and lower cost of living.
Our issue is the delta and inner-city Jackson. Outside those areas things are in a great place for growth.
SC is pulling people from NY and NJ like crazy. It's the combination of Charleston's appeal, and Clemson's work to recruit from up there. The niche just hit.
Overall takeaway: folks chasing lower taxes/COL
Specific observations: Not buying MS. Something is definitely wrong with NC. I'm not sure a single year population change dataset is very reliable. Census based data would be much better.
Circle of life comment: People get mad at taxes. People move to get lower taxes. Populations in lower tax/COL areas grow. Larger populations want more services/infrastructure. COL and taxes go up. People get mad. They move. Cycle repeats.
Specific observations: Not buying MS. Something is definitely wrong with NC. I'm not sure a single year population change dataset is very reliable. Census based data would be much better.
Circle of life comment: People get mad at taxes. People move to get lower taxes. Populations in lower tax/COL areas grow. Larger populations want more services/infrastructure. COL and taxes go up. People get mad. They move. Cycle repeats.
The small growth is not big enough to keep up with our peers. We need a major city and unfortunately we do not have that.
Desoto is connected to Memphis, which just being a part of that is probably the best we got. It really is a shame that Memphis is not inside our state borders.
Coast is great but prone to hurricanes, we can't escape this fact.
Jackson is Jackson.
Tupelo and Hattiesburg are too small to make a dent.
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The question is, will the people who moved to these places try to turn them into the places they left?
I am not the only one who pointed out the source info and commented that it may not be accurate as a result.
I still acknowledged that the general trend shown on the chart is probably correct.
No need to respond aggressively.
Some will assimilate and go with whatever the established way is.
Some will actively push back on the established way.
Some will play nice and look for change over time.
Very rarely will adults change fundamentally established personal views. So for personally meaningful social/political/government issues, they will support change if the current setup does not align with their view.
But for less personally meaningful social/political/government issues, or ones that there is no clear 'best' way in someone's eyes, they may roll with whatever the current setup is.
Is Nashville affordable any longer? Cities do what cities do.
Nashville is not affordable and city government is a disaster, but these new migrants are not changing the the way the state of Tennessee votes in national elections.
Until we have a governor (which will never happen) that is serious about actually increasing wages instead of selling out the state to big companies and data centers with massive tax breaks yet nothing to show for the communities, then it’s all a pipe dream.
The supposed low cost of living in MS is great for people with family money, an inheritance, or people that made their money elsewhere and returned to the state. But how can young people survive here? College debt is bigger the ever, MS offers zero Fortune 500 opportunities, and not everyone can make Dr or lawyer money. Even in MS, how does a new college graduate carrying $100k in loans survive on a $40k salary? They instantly become on of “the poors” which our current administration can’t stand. What young person wants to step into that lifestyle when they can go live in a number of other states in the South and make real money.
Right. But the same cycle will apply there as well. More people, higher COL, more infrastructure, eventually more taxes to pay for what the people want, etc.
Nashville has been chopped up pretty well for federal elections but you can only contain that for so long. It'll impact the house races sooner than later. Doubtful for senate any time soon though.