Didn't know they fired Gus Fring
Wait, Texas hired Sean Miller
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I heard they are making a spin off of Breaking Bad, he had to get back on set.
Knocks him out of the tourney then takes his job, brutal.
I’ll gladly take swain or conwell if they want to transfer now
It’ll be fun to have Miller in the conference. He’s a good coach but also a somewhat mockable one with the sweatiness and FBI imvestigation
The SEC isn’t getting worse!
The SEC isn’t getting worse!
Miller is an upgrade but not by a ton (unless the money and pressure of getting such a mega-job energize him to some new level of work ethic). My opinion is that he was kind of mailing it in during the second stint at Xavier. Results were not terrible but also not special. We'll see!
Texas should have went after Will Wade.
Sean Miller is a major upgrade and will make what is already the best conference in college basketball even better. With the resources that Texas has Miller might finally make a Final Four.
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Miller looking about like his brother. Unreal if they lose this game to Ole Miss.
I puke any time I read someone's post on here that talks about hiring Sean Miller. Like, wtf are you watching? That guy is Cal without the final 4's and title.
I’d still take him over Pope. Not like that says much, but Miller will have Texas in a better position than Kentucky is with Pope in the coming years.
Meh, I'd take Pope over Miller, Pope at least has some ideas that work and he has punched up. Sean has always done less with more.
But, that's like comparing which pile of poop smells better.
Man Jeff hard pass on that one. Whew.
I’d go Miller without question no hesitation over Pope. Pope really isn’t a quality coach, I know it’s a broken record, but I don’t think it’s understood just how bad of a record Pope has. In all reality he was hired in part for being Mormon to Utah Valley. They aren’t a Mormon school but it’s basically run by Mormons. Majority Mormon population in and surrounding. He really wasn’t that good there, got BYU in part for being Mormon. They don’t have a large pool to pick from. Then BYU went to the BIG12 and he rode that, and his seat was getting warmer there.
i really like Mark and I hate saying it, but Miller is a quality coach. Mark Pope is, well, a pretty mid - bad level coach. I think some just don’t want to accept that, but the record of 12 years speaks for itself. And he just put Kentucky in the first Wednesday game ever in the tournament. Until he’s gone in afraid Kentucky will never be elite and that’s a guarantee. Miller? The Kentucky job might have elevated him a bit to actually getting over the hump. Here’s their comparison. Fairly accurate, but I think miller actually has a 75% winning percentage and the wins might be off a bit.
He dominates Mark Pope with ease. Some of this is off like years coached, but it’s very accurate for the most part. It actually shorts Miller more than mark. Mark is bad man, it’s worse than people realize. Miller is actually accomplished in some ways for the job. Mark isn’t close. I want neither as you said though, but I’d kill for Miller right now. We have the worst or second / third worst coach in the SEC. If we take those names off, and remove bias, there’s no way anyone in Kentucky takes marks side. And pope is going on year 13, he’s not young he’s not an up and comer. He’s a mid - bad coach.
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Absolutely take miller over pope. Again, it’s like people aren’t looking at facts and just basing this on some feeling. Look at the record.
Miller DOMINATES Pope historically. Pope isn’t even in the discussion or close to the tier of Sean Miller.
I really think Kentucky hiring pope has gaslit people pretty bad. Like they think because Kentucky did it, he’s obviously a good coach or they wouldn’t have. Mark Pope is a low-mid level coach. He’s not even mid. Nobody in the country, bar none, is hiring Pope over Miller.
Crazy that Sean Miller is only 4 years older than Pope.
But Pope is a worse hire than even BCG was. It was so abrupt after whiffing on Scott Drew. It simply didn’t make sense, not then and not now. There were so many better qualified coaches than Pope. Dozens. And people continue to lie for Mitch Barnhart in implying that every single one of those coaches were offered and refused.
The fact that we’re going to have to deal with Mitch’s mistake for another year or possibly even longer is demoralizing.
The Oats one is something that I believe 0%. Oats did exactly what Barnes did and in the same way. He wasn’t offered and wanted to link himself to the job. Oats has even had to come out and say no, I was never approached about the job. Barnhart would never in a million years approach Nate Oats. He’s not his style and after that shooting it was a full stop. Not to mention Barnhart was being allowed to make the hire and he can’t control guys like Oats. Oats would’ve him out just like Calipari did.
Pearl was going to take this job, or the contributors thought he was. It’s come from a few of them and it’s come from Matt Jones. I’ve told the story if how those both lined up.
Mitch was not going to hire anyone except men that make him appear above the rest of the league. He’s obsessed with his image and he puts that ahead of everything including these programs. Classic narcissist.
Pope has been coaching 7 years, Miller… 17 and Miller coached longer at higher profile programs than Pope has.
Pope's best coaching days are ahead of him, Miller is who he is, he's not going to get any better.
Also, Pope, while stubborn, is more driven to be great, Miller is coasting.
Also, what big wins does Miller have in his entire career? I don't recall him ever pulling off wins that he wasn't supposed to win. He always seems to be the guy that gets upset.
Say what you want about Pope, he has at least shown he can upset the best teams in the country with much less talent.
I disagree, nobody thinks Pope is a good coach, some of us just think he's better than Miller. Again, we're comparing two bad piles of poop, one stinks more than the other, but literally everyone here knows Pope is not a good coach.
No one can look at their coaching careers and say Pope is a better coach. This is what Barney did to hire Pope. He ignored his crappy resume.
I don't get why contrast Miller vs. Pope.
If we fire Pope, Miller shouldn't be a legit candidate. He's proven to be a decent coach at Arizona....who got shady and then gone. And the guy who took over Arizona (Lloyd) is doing better at the same school. And Miller didnt' really kick butt at Texas in year 1.....
So Miller is a proven commodity at this point....not a bigtime coach but more like above average. (And that is not a UK coach)
If we fire Pope, Miller shouldn't be a legit candidate. He's proven to be a decent coach at Arizona....who got shady and then gone. And the guy who took over Arizona (Lloyd) is doing better at the same school. And Miller didnt' really kick butt at Texas in year 1.....
So Miller is a proven commodity at this point....not a bigtime coach but more like above average. (And that is not a UK coach)
8 regular season conference titles
4 conference tourney titles
4 S16s
4 E8s
But yeah...give me Mark Pope instead. God I love this site.
Yeah, in the weak *** PAC12. Give me a break.
And again, read the last freaking line of my post, I literally called both coaches "piles of poop". Wtf do you want?
Pope is in his 11th yr as a HC.
What makes you think his best days are ahead of him? He's never had a consistent upward trajectory. He just ping pongs between kind of good and kind of bad.
Drive is one thing. Ability is another.
He's been to 8 S16s and 4 E8s. Those are a helluva bigger than anything the guy you're choosing has ever won.
Pope has also shown he can get his doors blown off by some very average teams as well.
The fact anyone can try to form an argument about Mark Pope being a better choice than Sean Miller is the absolute definition of fandom.
AGAIN, I literally called both "piles of poop" and it is my opinion that Pope will eventually be the better coach. I'm forcasting and it is just an opinion. Why you are so bothered by my OPINION, is a mystery to me.
I'm not bothered by it at all. I genuinely enjoy the back and forth. I struggle to think any coach that reaches the S16 in half of his coaching years and an E8 in 1/4 of them is a "pile of poop" coach. I also struggle to think Mark Pope will reach those same heights in his coaching career.
Pope won't get another chance at a good basketball school after he is fired by UK.
So idk how Jeff expects him to make 4 elite 8s and 8 sweet 16s and win 8 conference titles.
How in God's name can you make a statement, "Pope's best coaching days are ahead of him." Pope is what he is, a mid to lower mid level coach that has NOT shown improvement from one year to the next at any job he has had. How do you or anyone know how driven Miller is compared to Pope. Pope seems by his demeaner to be the least driven coach I have ever watched during a game. Pope would likely be a great next door neighbor but he can barely complete a logical sentence during a post game presser. How do you think his players must feel about him as their coach?
You might be right, I have just been so disappointed with Sean his entire career. I've seen him consistently take loaded teams and do absolutely nothing with them.
I don't think Pope has had a single team as talented as most teams Miller had at Arizona.
That's what's driving my opinion. I think Pope would do more with the talent that Miller pissed away all those years at Arizona.
Agreed, Miller has dropped a couple S16 and E8 games he shouldn't have. But hell, he got that far. Recruiting is part of coaching. Miller kills it there. Pope can't even do it at UK. That's telling.
If Pope had the talent Miller had all those years at Arizona, he would easily be able to replicate those accomplishments, especially in the PAC12.
Heck, Pope made the SS last year with heavy injuries and a roster he threw together in 5 minutes and he got a 3 seed after playing in the toughest conference, possibly ever.
He’s being judged on this years results, but this team has been broken since the season started. He’s not a great coach, but I believe he's better than what he showed this year.