Transfer Portal Intel: What it costs to land a starter at each position
On3's Jamie Shaw spoke with college coaches to get a feel for what the transfer portal value to get a power five caliber for each position.
Transfer Portal Intel: What it costs to land a starter at each position
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Ha, I was just about to post this! So here’s what we know.
To land a P5 starter at every position would cost
bottom of the range: $5.6 million
mid range: $7.7 million
top range: $10.3+
Remember this is just for starters. A team must have some quality depth so that will drive these $$$ up.
Highest demand positions are PG, PF and Center. Everyone wants two bigs as starters and coaches will pay almost anything to get a competent center, even bad bigs will get paid.
Anyone who thinks we will retain Hines for less than $2 million is nuts. Most likely we will need to get close to $3 million.
So question for Dan: you mentioned in a recent post that SHU is prepared to go hard for Hines but nothing crazy. What is your definition of crazy because IMO that is what it’s going to take. If you want to respond on the Trove, that’s fine. Thanks.
To land a P5 starter at every position would cost
bottom of the range: $5.6 million
mid range: $7.7 million
top range: $10.3+
Remember this is just for starters. A team must have some quality depth so that will drive these $$$ up.
Highest demand positions are PG, PF and Center. Everyone wants two bigs as starters and coaches will pay almost anything to get a competent center, even bad bigs will get paid.
Anyone who thinks we will retain Hines for less than $2 million is nuts. Most likely we will need to get close to $3 million.
So question for Dan: you mentioned in a recent post that SHU is prepared to go hard for Hines but nothing crazy. What is your definition of crazy because IMO that is what it’s going to take. If you want to respond on the Trove, that’s fine. Thanks.
That’s a ridiculous amount of money for a Seton Hall basketball program that only generates around $9 million per year in revenue.
Don’t let this be analyzed by the business school.
Don’t let this be analyzed by the business school.
Seton Hall better go hard for Hines. At some point you need to retain you best players, especially if you want to keep the fanbase engaged. Losing one/both of Hines and Clark would be devastating in my opinion. Its hard to sell a smaller fanbase like SHU's when you have 100% turnover year to year.
Don’t let this be analyzed by the business school.
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Yep, so even if we up our budget to $8 million for next year....we will be swimming in the shallow end of the pool....once again. And lamenting how "if only we had this player, or that skill..."
You can't ignore the economics...you may not like them, but to ignore them is irrational
If you want a mediocre program that seldom gets to the NCAA tourney and doesn't get past the first round keep thinking that way. If you want a program that competes with UConn, St Johns etc.. you have to think not only big but bigger.
I personally couldn't care less, I root less and less everyday for this outrageous minor league model that includes Seton Hall and more and more every day for the true student-athlete programs like the Ivy League.
...and even those
I think what has to be looked at it revenue generated by playing in (and dare we dream) winning NCAA games. I'm not a fan of deficit spending, and I, too, hate what this system has become. But if this season wasn't good enough for SHU standards, there is no where to go but up.
You always do what you always did you can't complain that you get what you always got!
Still follow Seton Hall and minor league basketball and probably always will to some extent, just don't care much about it anymore.
I'll leave though if you want, I already discontinued my Trove membership months ago, but I'll really miss your genuflecting at the altar of Assane Mbaye.
Depends
Depends upon how you look at things. The SHU Men's Basketball Program is a large part of how the outside world views SHU. In many ways it's a marketing expense for the University. As an alumnus I have no problem with the University losing $ on the program as I believe success in mens basketball will increase university revenues in the form of increased applications and annual tuitions because of increaed interest in the University.
I’ve spent part of my career in the southeast and Midwest. When people would hear me mention SHU, they would always acknowledge SHU hoops. Basketball matters at Seton Hall.
Way north of $2M. If the thread in question was the one saying we should spend north of $3M for both Hines and Clark, yes I said that was not happening nor should it happen.
I would be comfortable with the school offering Hines $2M and maybe a little more if necessary. But at this point they are going to need at least $8M and probably more and I don't know (at this time) if they will go that high.
Any help we can give the school will be sorely needed. I'll do my part. I hope others will as well.
Yes. I talked to people from around the country and if they were sports fans, they knew we played hoops.
But the student attendance has me wondering if its still a good investment. They obviosly had no interest, for whatever reason. And nothing is going to change, but the minimum buy in $$##, that us going up and up and up.
The team is critical for the future while the current students dont care. I guess I am missing something.
I hate the never ending arms race of NIL. Made me cancel my season tickets. But if the school intends to play in this mess, then they have to keep a known quantity like Hines. He is only going to get better and next year he will be a focal point of the offense. Why not go all in with the two players you know what you have with Hines and Clark and build around those two? Losing him will be a crushing defeat.
If you don't plan to pay a player market rate in year 2, what is the point of even recruiting them as a freshman in the first place?
Spot on!
I love how Marquette secured Freshman of the Year Nigel James, and had him publicly share with his team and big east media, that he is locked in for 2026-27 with Shaka AHEAD of their game today vs. Xavier.
We have to retain Hines. Period.
Those who said PG, center, power forward as priority don’t pay much attention. Guards are the priority. Guards win championships. When we were at our best early on it was because of solid guard play. Holloway even said it. Budd over Hines but hope they keep both, and focus on guards that can shoot, create, and get after the boards. Look at Nova championship teams of the past. Florida last year. Houston gets it done every year with guards. Of course big men are needed and nice but guards are the priority.
Are the revenue dollars generated the only way to measure the benefits of the program or value proposition?
Agree.I've lived in the Northeast,MidAtlantic states,Midwest and West Coast.When people ask where I went to school and I mention SHU the reaction is always they have a good basketball team.They never say they have a good business school or any other academic function of the University.
I would not want you to miss my posts about Mbaye so please don't leave! Unless he leaves for big NIL money I expect he will be playing lots of minutes next year! So, stay tuned for my posts cheering him and the other Pirates on.
A university is not a business in the traditional sense of
A Univerisity is not a business in terms of creating value for it's shareholders or even operating at a profit.
There are considerations other than simply dollar revenue generated by the basketball program itself. There are always subjective analysis for brand development and marketing. For better or worse, basketball is a huge part of Seton Hall's identity. It's value or expense is hard to amd cannot be quantified on a balance sheet. You cannot simply look at dollars expended by and generated by basketball.
It certainly has been that way for a long time, but is bball really a big part of the school’s identity today? The students don’t even bother to come to the games anymore.
I have a lot of friends I went to college with who didn't go to games and are now huge season ticket holders and donors. Again, that is not the only measure. And of course, basketball is as much of Seton Hall’s identity as it's business and law school for example.
Student attendance at college sports is down nationally and the trend has been for over a decade. Same for professional sports.
The basketball program is one of the few rallying points and method of connecting alumni and friends to the university after they've left campus.
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