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Lack of progress on college sports rules is pushing the SEC to make its own rules and break away from the pack. Jim Phillips is quoted in response to the lack of progress in negotiations.
 

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The super league is coming, as predicted, and we will be left in the dust. Such a gross time for college sports.
 

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Lack of progress on college sports rules is pushing the SEC to make its own rules and break away from the pack. Jim Phillips is quoted in response to the lack of progress in negotiations.
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The super league is coming, as predicted, and we will be left in the dust. Such a gross time for college sports.

I don't assume this means we will be left behind, but I'm not gonna lie - if we are, I think we'll be fine. I sincerely don't feel we have been playing the same sport as Ohio State or Alabama for a very long time, and I don't feel badly about that at all.

I can comfortably imagine a future where we play a 10-game regional schedule against the likes of Iowa, Wisconsin, NIU, etc...maybe one or two games vs. opponents more than 1,000 miles away, with a conference championship or modest tournament at the end of the season against some other regional conference champions, or a post-season exhibition game in a mutually agreed upon destination (imagine that?) Maybe there's a tv deal or maybe we're all paying for a season-long subscription to one entity rather than a half-dozen broadcast partners each with their own monthly fees. Maybe this league doesn't feature the very best athletes between the ages of 18-22, but maybe schools build programs with guys who just want to attend to those colleges as their main or equal priority. It all sounds fine to me.
 

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I don't assume this means we will be left behind, but I'm not gonna lie - if we are, I think we'll be fine. I sincerely don't feel we have been playing the same sport as Ohio State or Alabama for a very long time, and I don't feel badly about that at all.

I can comfortably imagine a future where we play a 10-game regional schedule against the likes of Iowa, Wisconsin, NIU, etc...maybe one or two games vs. opponents more than 1,000 miles away, with a conference championship or modest tournament at the end of the season against some other regional conference champions, or a post-season exhibition game in a mutually agreed upon destination (imagine that?) Maybe there's a tv deal or maybe we're all paying for a season-long subscription to one entity rather than a half-dozen broadcast partners each with their own monthly fees. Maybe this league doesn't feature the very best athletes between the ages of 18-22, but maybe schools build programs with guys who just want to attend to those colleges as their main or equal priority. It all sounds fine to me.

Maybe we could get some quirky brands to sponsor some of these post-season exhibitions? Perhaps some kind of Poulan gardening device coupled with an acknowledgement of our freedom from England? Or some sort of fried triangle party exhibition? A toaster pastry homage could be nice, too?
 

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I don't assume this means we will be left behind, but I'm not gonna lie - if we are, I think we'll be fine. I sincerely don't feel we have been playing the same sport as Ohio State or Alabama for a very long time, and I don't feel badly about that at all.

I can comfortably imagine a future where we play a 10-game regional schedule against the likes of Iowa, Wisconsin, NIU, etc...maybe one or two games vs. opponents more than 1,000 miles away, with a conference championship or modest tournament at the end of the season against some other regional conference champions, or a post-season exhibition game in a mutually agreed upon destination (imagine that?) Maybe there's a tv deal or maybe we're all paying for a season-long subscription to one entity rather than a half-dozen broadcast partners each with their own monthly fees. Maybe this league doesn't feature the very best athletes between the ages of 18-22, but maybe schools build programs with guys who just want to attend to those colleges as their main or equal priority. It all sounds fine to me.
Forgive me for caring about college sports regionalism that made the games great which this will completely kill.
 

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LOL. We’ll basically be FCS. Give me a break. You will make any excuses for paying these guys when they were already getting plenty and this “crusade” has wrecked the games we love. Great take!
Says a guy who has never been in the arena.

if the schools, the conferences, the NCAA and networks didn’t operate a plutocracy, this wouldn’t have happened this way.

I think you and your donor buddies should go support North Central College, they have a fine program.
 

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Forgive me for caring about college sports regionalism that made the games great which this will completely kill.

Kill it more than our current schedule that, in order to make room for Oregon and Rutgers, requires us to miss Wisconsin and Purdue?

If 30-40 "elite" college football brands separate from the pack, I am confident there will be enough quality programs left that care about competing at a high level to keep things plenty interesting.

Ironically, what I *do* think will happen is that the "blue bloods" league will look like what all of CFB is gradually becoming - a pro league that is hot trash compared to the NFL.
 
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Kill it more than our current schedule that, in order to make room for Oregon and Rutgers, requires us to miss Wisconsin and Purdue?

If 30-40 "elite" college football brands separate from the pack, I am confident there will be enough quality programs left that care about competing at a high level to keep things plenty interesting.

Ironically, what I *do* think will happen is that the "blue bloods" league will look like what all of CFB is gradually becoming - a pro league that is hot trash compared to the NFL.
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Says a guy who has never been in the arena.

if the schools, the conferences, the NCAA and networks didn’t operate a plutocracy, this wouldn’t have happened this way.

I think you and your donor buddies should go support North Central College, they have a fine program.
Oh good god. Yes, those poor student-athletes that had scholarships worth $250,000+, networks that guaranteed jobs for life basically, incredible exposure for the next level. The horror! Let me guess you loved that hack Bill Rhoden’s book “40 million dollar slaves”?
 

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Kill it more than our current schedule that, in order to make room for Oregon and Rutgers, requires us to miss Wisconsin and Purdue?

If 30-40 "elite" college football brands separate from the pack, I am confident there will be enough quality programs left that care about competing at a high level to keep things plenty interesting.

Ironically, what I *do* think will happen is that the "blue bloods" league will look like what all of CFB is gradually becoming - a pro league that is hot trash compared to the NFL.
Yes, because AAA baseball is so popular… give me a break.
 

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Oh good god. Yes, those poor student-athletes that had scholarships worth $250,000+, networks that guaranteed jobs for life basically, incredible exposure for the next level. The horror! Let me guess you loved that hack Bill Rhoden’s book “40 million dollar slaves”?
Basically the rich getting richer while the employees get very little. Aren’t you the guy that claims the “student-athletes” are too stupid to not blow their money? I am sure that overpriced $250k education will serve them so well in the future. Can’t have it both ways unless of course it is another one of circular arguments.
 
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Basically the rich getting richer while the employees get very little. Aren’t you the guy that claims the “student-athletes” are too stupid to not blow their money? I am sure that overpriced $250k education will serve them so well in the future. Can’t have it both ways unless of course it is another one of circular arguments.
Yes, 18-22 years old have no idea how to handle their money. I’m pretty comfortable saying that lol. You want to argue otherwise? Can’t wait. And of course college is overpriced. But when you’re an athlete who graduates you have a guaranteed job with the network so it’s definitely worth it then.
 

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Oh good god. Yes, those poor student-athletes that had scholarships worth $250,000+, networks that guaranteed jobs for life basically, incredible exposure for the next level. The horror! Let me guess you loved that hack Bill Rhoden’s book “40 million dollar slaves”?
“Networks that guaranteed jobs for life”?

What reality are you living in, man? 😆
 

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Basically the rich getting richer while the employees get very little. Aren’t you the guy that claims the “student-athletes” are too stupid to not blow their money? I am sure that overpriced $250k education will serve them so well in the future. Can’t have it both ways unless of course it is another one of circular arguments.
One of the best decisions I made in life was going to work for a biotech that offered me lots of equity instead of going to get an MBA from a top tier business school which would have cost $250K minimum.

I really can’t emphasize enough how much an MBA would have cost me.

But hey, maybe one would have a network which guarantees jobs for life… like a union 😆
 

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“Networks that guaranteed jobs for life”?

What reality are you living in, man? 😆
I’ve seen this first hand in commercial real estate and have heard it from good friends in finance. They want athletes as faces of their companies. It’s a guaranteed job for life.
 

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I’ve seen this first hand in commercial real estate and have heard it from good friends in finance. They want athletes as faces of their companies. It’s a guaranteed job for life.
I got to hand it to you, you have every false narrative/stereotype down to a science. I guess you have friends in high places and your donor buddies that never strapped it on know a helleva a lot both NU and college athletics in general.

I know a couple hundred former college athletes would roll over laughing at this nonsense.
 

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“Networks that guaranteed jobs for life”?

What reality are you living in, man? 😆
His takes are comically bad. You know he is in trouble when he said he has “friends” that support his position. Notice he never references anyone that actually was ever on the field or in the office.
 

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Yes, because AAA baseball is so popular… give me a break.
Unpopular opinion: I don't care if Northwestern stays in an athletic conference that does $1B in tv revenue, especially if that means we're just hiring mostly one-and-done kids to play for us who are disinterested in the school. I basically just described the pros...and if I wanted that experience as a fan, I'd watch the NFL where they actually have elite, finely-tuned athletes playing the sport and not a gaggle of 18-22 year olds who have a fraction of the collective talent.

So, bottom line: if 30-40 elite schools want to form their own JV NFL...Godspeed. I would be fine with the Northwesterns, Iowas, Wisconsins, and Michigan States cobbling together a midwest college sports conference with a few others in a national network of 80ish other schools. Maybe we distribute our games on WGN or the conferences charges us $25 per month to watch them via a conference-owned streaming service ...I would still buy season tickets, pay the required donation, buy gear, and travel for games. I am confident many people associated with Northwestern as well as people in Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, et al would do the same. Of course this would mean we're no longer filling a prime time Saturday night slot on ESPN, but it also means we wouldn't need a $20M payroll or chartering flights coast to coast every other week.
 

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Unpopular opinion: I don't care if Northwestern stays in an athletic conference that does $1B in tv revenue, especially if that means we're just hiring mostly one-and-done kids to play for us who are disinterested in the school. I basically just described the pros...and if I wanted that experience as a fan, I'd watch the NFL where they actually have elite, finely-tuned athletes playing the sport and not a gaggle of 18-22 year olds who have a fraction of the collective talent.

So, bottom line: if 30-40 elite schools want to form their own JV NFL...Godspeed. I would be fine with the Northwesterns, Iowas, Wisconsins, and Michigan States cobbling together a midwest college sports conference with a few others in a national network of 80ish other schools. Maybe we distribute our games on WGN or the conferences charges us $25 per month to watch them via a conference-owned streaming service ...I would still buy season tickets, pay the required donation, buy gear, and travel for games. I am confident many people associated with Northwestern as well as people in Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, et al would do the same. Of course this would mean we're no longer filling a prime time Saturday night slot on ESPN, but it also means we wouldn't need a $20M payroll or chartering flights coast to coast every other week.
I’ve said it before, but I think our “dream scenario” is a Super Ivy Conference with the other schools that take academics seriously.

The champion could be in the playoff for all I care, but I’d be much more interested in this type of conference:
  • Northwestern
  • Stanford
  • Cal
  • Duke
  • Purdue
  • Rutgers
  • Vanderbilt
  • Wake Forest
  • Baylor
  • TCU?
  • A few other SERIOUS academics that “fit the mold”
  • Illinois / Iowa / Wisconsin (if either’s left out of the two super conferences… seems unlikely)
 
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I’ve seen this first hand in commercial real estate and have heard it from good friends in finance. They want athletes as faces of their companies. It’s a guaranteed job for life.
I gotta tell ya, often your schtick gets really dull, but when you do this "I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about but roll with it 110% anyway" thing is entertaining as hell. Genuinely amusing.
 

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I’ve said it before, but I think our “dream scenario” is a Super Ivy Conference with the other schools that take academics seriously.

The champion could be in the playoff for all I care, but I’d be much more interested in this type of conference:
  • Northwestern
  • Stanford
  • Cal
  • Duke
  • Purdue
  • Rutgers
  • Vanderbilt
  • Wake Forest
  • Baylor
  • TCU?
  • A few other SERIOUS academics that “fit the mold”
  • Illinois / Iowa / Wisconsin (if either’s left out of the two super conferences… seems unlikely)

I think regional would need to be the way to go to make the economics work, but I also think we could work towards building either pre-conference season (or post-season) annual matchups.

Since something like this would be built from the ground up, I also think "we" could finally be in a position to mandate the size of regional conferences, to make conference vs. conference matchups from top to bottom a normal/annual event.

There are lots of possibilities once you further stratify a smaller number of like-minded entities. If the NFL is good for anything, they have proven this to a tee.
 

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Unpopular opinion: I don't care if Northwestern stays in an athletic conference that does $1B in tv revenue, especially if that means we're just hiring mostly one-and-done kids to play for us who are disinterested in the school. I basically just described the pros...and if I wanted that experience as a fan, I'd watch the NFL where they actually have elite, finely-tuned athletes playing the sport and not a gaggle of 18-22 year olds who have a fraction of the collective talent.

So, bottom line: if 30-40 elite schools want to form their own JV NFL...Godspeed. I would be fine with the Northwesterns, Iowas, Wisconsins, and Michigan States cobbling together a midwest college sports conference with a few others in a national network of 80ish other schools. Maybe we distribute our games on WGN or the conferences charges us $25 per month to watch them via a conference-owned streaming service ...I would still buy season tickets, pay the required donation, buy gear, and travel for games. I am confident many people associated with Northwestern as well as people in Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, et al would do the same. Of course this would mean we're no longer filling a prime time Saturday night slot on ESPN, but it also means we wouldn't need a $20M payroll or chartering flights coast to coast every other week.
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I gotta tell ya, often your schtick gets really dull, but when you do this "I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about but roll with it 110% anyway" thing is entertaining as hell. Genuinely amusing.
Yes. Go ask former NU RB Mike Trumpy and former IU punter Adam Pines if I’m making it up. You’re a clown.
 

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His takes are comically bad. You know he is in trouble when he said he has “friends” that support his position. Notice he never references anyone that actually was ever on the field or in the office.
Ahh yes. Cam Green never was on the field… I’ll let him know. Just because no one likes you isn’t my problem.
 

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Ahh yes. Cam Green never was on the field… I’ll let him know. Just because no one likes you isn’t my problem.
There you are. Missed you on the game day thread today. There’s always tomorrow and I expect you to be there in full force.

I guess no one likes me because the grand poobah of idiocy says so. All I know for sure is I don’t like you. Moronic takes, think you know people, and negative silly disingenuous takes from someone that probably got cut from his 5th grade team. There is a reason most of the board rips you a new *** but you are either too dumb or blind to see it.

Cappy‘s usually quick trigger finger is being very patient with your nonsense.
 

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Enough with the personal attacks. You don't actually have to try to win every argument on the internet, you can just...walk away.
 
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The scuttlebutt seems to be that the SEC is posturing and that they will only break away in tandem with the B1G, as both conferences are leery of giving up the gains they have made if Cody Campbell gets his way.


Oh good god. Yes, those poor student-athletes that had scholarships worth $250,000+, networks that guaranteed jobs for life basically, incredible exposure for the next level. The horror! Let me guess you loved that hack Bill Rhoden’s book “40 million dollar slaves”?

That's a grossly inflated valuation for scholarships, especially as the typical student gets a pretty decent discount by way of financial aid, which is why universities like scholarship athletes as they pay "full fare."

Plus many top universities offer free tuition for families making $100k up to 200k, so big wup.

Especially as CFb players back in the day were getting scholarships for only playing 8, maybe 9 games (if include a bowl game).

Nowadays, players are playing a minimum of 12, with the potential to play 16 games like what IU did this past season.

So you're asking Hoosier players to play double the games (with all the added risk of injury, nevermind the wear and tear) for the same comp that players got in playing 8 games - which is frankly asinine.

Plus, coaches and administratora (already richly compensated) get hefty bonuses for additional games beyond the regular season.

So you expect everyone else to fat off the hog (the new standard for a coordinator is $3.85 million/yr for Patricia, and that's not counting bonuses) except for those who are directly responsible for the revenue? Lol
 
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  • Northwestern
  • Stanford
  • Cal
  • Duke
  • Purdue
  • Rutgers
  • Vanderbilt
  • Wake Forest
  • Baylor
  • TCU?
  • A few other SERIOUS academics that “fit the mold”
  • Illinois / Iowa / Wisconsin (if either’s left out of the two super conferences… seems unlikely)
No thanks. I wanna play teams like Penn State (we just won), UCLA (we just won), Michigan (we have come close recently), USC (we could have taken them in some recent years before this current coach) Nebraska (we should have won like 3 more games against them in the last decade, remember the f*cking flea flicker loss?!). And I would hate to lose the Iowa game and to not be in the same legue as Illinois, There is no need for this conference which will end up getting no attention and have a media contract with the Apple Sports App or Amazon Prime or something like that, not ESPN or Fox or CBS. No thank you!
 
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There you are. Missed you on the game day thread today. There’s always tomorrow and I expect you to be there in full force.

I guess no one likes me because the grand poobah of idiocy says so. All I know for sure is I don’t like you. Moronic takes, think you know people, and negative silly disingenuous takes from someone that probably got cut from his 5th grade team. There is a reason most of the board rips you a new *** but you are either too dumb or blind to see it.

Cappy‘s usually quick trigger finger is being very patient with your nonsense.
Sorry you’re flailing because you’re losing the argument since I’m giving you facts. So, so sad.
 

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The scuttlebutt seems to be that the SEC is posturing and that they will only break away in tandem with the B1G, as both conferences are leery of giving up the gains they have made if Cody Campbell gets his way.




That's a grossly inflated valuation for scholarships, especially as the typical student gets a pretty decent discount by way of financial aid, which is why universities like scholarship athletes as they pay "full fare."

Plus many top universities offer free tuition for families making $100k up to 200k, so big wup.

Especially as CFb players back in the day were getting scholarships for only playing 8, maybe 9 games (if include a bowl game).

Nowadays, players are playing a minimum of 12, with the potential to play 16 games like what IU did this past season.

So you're asking Hoosier players to play double the games (with all the added risk of injury, nevermind the wear and tear) for the same comp that players got in playing 8 games - which is frankly asinine.

Plus, coaches and administratora (already richly compensated) get hefty bonuses for additional games beyond the regular season.

So you expect everyone else to fat off the hog (the new standard for a coordinator is $3.85 million/yr for Patricia, and that's not counting bonuses) except for those who are directly responsible for the revenue? Lol
That $250,000 number is not grossly inflated. If anything it’s probably a little under the average given how expensive college has gotten.

And coaches and administrators that are 50+ years old with decades of experience getting paid versus someone who has done nothing? Oh, the horror…
 
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That $250,000 number is not grossly inflated. If anything it’s probably a little under the average given how expensive college has gotten.

And coaches and administrators that are 50+ years old with decades of experience getting paid versus someone who has done nothing? Oh, the horror…
For AY25-26

Public University:
Average in state tuition is ~10.6k. Average out of state tuition is ~31k.

Private University:
Average tuition is ~18k.

Being over 100% off at the most generous average (31,000*4=124,000) is grossly inflated.

That number was fishy when my wife’s postgraduate tuition (At a B1G university) is less expensive than $250,000 over 4 years if it stays the same as it did this last year.

Someone could probably see how much revenue the major sports programs drive compared to tuition costs. I highly doubt there’s many jobs where you drive that much revenue making 10.6k a year. Assuming the 31k tuition rate and that athletes work a 40 hour work week, that’s less than $15 an hour. I made more than that (hourly) interning in school and driving significantly less revenue.

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Source: https://educationdata.org/average-cost-of-college-by-state#:~:text=Report Highlights.,$13,847 per year on average.
 
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