Why are there so many delusional Pope fans?

chroix

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I grow so tired of this.

If people would just always keep their eyes on the program instead of attaching a man’s face to it, then we’d have it. That’s what I do, I never attach a face to the program. It’s separate. In my mind UK is made up of all the men from the last 100 years, if there’s a face on it, it’s Rupps.

We see this is politics routinely.
I appreciate this concept but do you expect people to change this behavior? The current times it is the worst it’s ever been. Hard to see this changing anytime soon. We are in the age of influencers not a time where people attach to principles or even ideas.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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Going off history, some people see the support and can’t understand it. You look around outside of rafters and see wild support in places and it’s like? What is this?

As I’ve said Rafters has always been for the more program oriented fan, die hards, who put coaches on short leashes. I think it’s always been the best place for Kentucky basketball, but it’s changed over the years as in softer believe it or not. If this was 2002, this board and a lot of the older posters who’ve died wouldn’t have any idea how anyone involved in this has kept their job. This was the first place I saw that called Tubby early on, Calipari early, and Gillispie. When we called Gillispie you would have thought rafters was out of their minds. He was gone 8 months later. Might seem crazy but rafters usually feels what’s coming before it does. Honestly does.
That’s because we watch everything and talk about it year round. Half the fan base doesn’t even know who we got in the portal.
 

TFCat11

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I read your first paragraph, and I already comprised an answer…

The people still supporting Pope’s performance, are doing so because they are looking for validation of their own personal self identity as the underdog.

Not to go all human psychology on the matter, but that’s exactly what is occurring! It has absolutely NOTHING to do with UK basketball, or wins or losses, rather a relatable similarity to someone who failing to be a winner.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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He may not be the answer but just last year we were singing his praises. Let him have a year three. He got blindsided with injury this year. It's too soon to pack his bags.
I’ve seen enough over two years to know he will never be at the level we need him to be. His coaching, subbing, talent evaluation, roster makeup, and ability to lead all show that he will lose 9-10 games in his best seasons. We will never go 29-2 or 27-4 in the regular season with him. He has had terribly bad luck, but his deficiencies in teaching defense and rebounding alone will make us lose way more games a year than we should. His sub patterns kill us. I’ve never seen Kentucky get down by 20 points in a half in my life, more than I have these last couple years.
 
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@Rockhill2025

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I’ve seen enough over two years to know he will never be at the level we need him to be. His coaching, subbing, talent evaluation, roster makeup, and ability to lead all show that he will lose 9-10 games in his best seasons. We will never go 30-2 or 27-4 in the regular season with him. He has had terribly bad luck but his deficiencies in teaching defense and rebounding alone will make us lose way more games a year than we should. His sub patterns kill us. I’ve never seen Kentucky get down by 20 points in a half in my life, more than I have these last couple years.
You may be correct but I think a full evaluation of a complete year without any distractions should be the measuring stick. I think he deserves a third year.
 
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Pope bleeds Kentucky, is a very likeable guy, came in with a lot of enthusiasm, and I, like many others, hoped for his success. I still do hold hope but am very concerned about the seeming flaws and current recruiting concerns. Is he too nice or what reasonable explanation is there for putting Garrison in at the end of close games or not sitting him or Mo when they take a 3 point shot or dribble too much and end of with the ball going out of bounds or being picked? In fact, why are players allowed to do obvious things that are detrimental without consequence. Why would you put certain players like Jasper with Noah and Garrison at the same time? In tight games why play any of the questionable ones at all (unless forced with foul trouble)?

I get the built in excuses of J.Q. Lowe, and other injuries making this team less than what they were expected. However, that doesn't take away from repeat observable goofy subs, discipline, or allowing players to dictate terms versus the coaches. Plus, to win hearts and minds does not work with stupid excuses like we are tired, or other comments like somehow Kentucky has unique college basketball issues.
 

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What the heck is going on with this fanbase? Twitter, Reddit, and Facebook along with other forums are filled with foolish nonsense blindly claiming “Pope is the right man for the job” despite the complete embarrassment he has wrought upon this program.

When did so many Kentucky fans become this way? This endless toxic positivity is destroying this program and they don’t give a flying hoot what is happening.

Not only do these fans appear to endlessly demand positivity from themselves, but from any fan who refuses to fall in line. They’re quick to insult other Kentucky fans, many falling to calling their fellow fans redneck yokels with too high expectations. I’ve seen it on here and I’m seeing it on other fan-pages and sites. WTF has happened to Kentucky fans? It’s like we’re in a civil war.


Jimmy dykes said it the other day without batting an eye. Vitale on the other hand didn’t want to come right out and say it but he said 12 loss seasons aren’t something we accept. It is a constant narrative so I know it a brainwash technique I think Barney pays guys pays reporters off to get them the right and say good things
 
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OP -- my question would be "what did they say their reasons were for believing Pope is the right man for the job?" Until you begin to understand the rationale for why they continue to say that, you're really just pearl clutching. Why does it harm you if someone has a different opinion?

Now, for me, I can't say "Pope is the right man for the job." I genuinely do not know. His third year is crucial --- it will tell us a lot about how much effect injuries had this year and he won't be here without performing to Kentucky standards over the next several months.


And take-it-for-what-it's-worth, this type of shock and awe at fairly common opinions is something I told you all would happen on here for weeks. On this site, you've silenced every opinion that doesn't conform to the one the vocal majority have. Well, now you've isolated yourself from the real world and real discussions. The irony is I'm viewed as a pro-Pope poster on here, but in the real world, I fall somewhere on the more critical side of things. This is why we need more discussion on here, rather than trying to coerce everyone into agreeing with the majority opinion. It'll never harm a soul to see what another person sees.
It’s not an opinion it is a constant narrative used to keep uk fans on board. It’s over though . The pope experiment was a massive failure on level with BCG. Maybe worse tbh because pope came in with knowledge of our expectations.
 

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As cheesy and corny as Mark Pope is, he is still a very likable person, beloved former player from a great era, and truly cares about the success of the PROGRAM. The Pope Hopefuls see all of that and are starting to blindly care more about him succeeding than the actual program.

He won’t be if he overstays his welcome. I think fans do like pope. If he has a year 3 though like the first two we’ll pope won’t be welcomed at UK to most fans. If he doesn’t step down on his own pope will become vilified by our fanbase. I think pope needs to converse with the new ad whenever that happens I guess the mean time he needs to talk to Barney about some amicable way to separate. If pope doesn’t go after this next season it’s gonna get ugly. The only reason that year three is discussed is just out of like some stupid principle that was created a long time ago before players could be bought when you had to build programs in this day and age you don’t give a third year to a guy who clearly is an over their head therefore we have to expect or hope pope does the right thing and steps down on his own. I don’t think any of us want to go through another season like this or the last one I mean it was OK the first season but like a puppy is real cute until it starts crapping all over the house. I think we’re at the end of UK dominance in Basketball I mean, we are a season away from being completely unrecognizable as a program our facilities what we offer is fallen behind at least from the perception standpoint has fallen behind 40 other programs. I don’t know if Barnhart really believes he’s smart or if he just took a total shot in the dark, but he’s either way not a smart guy on top of that. He should go retire in Oregon shouldn’t stay around Lexington if I see him, I’m not gonna be friendly to him at the bottom line
 

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I appreciate this concept but do you expect people to change this behavior? The current times it is the worst it’s ever been. Hard to see this changing anytime soon. We are in the age of influencers not a time where people attach to principles or even ideas.
The DOE has limited POLS in high schools for a reason. Don’t worry about economics, leave politics out of it, study France treaties from 1350. Let’s get you kids good and stupid, then vote for the uniparty!! The leader will fix your problems!
That’s because we watch everything and talk about it year round. Half the fan base doesn’t even know who we got in the portal.
 
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He may not be the answer but just last year we were singing his praises. Let him have a year three. He got blindsided with injury this year. It's too soon to pack his bags.
That Tennessee game was enough for me to retract my positive feelings toward last year.
 
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It’s because to not be they’d have to face the reality that maybe they were incredibly brainless in running off an incredible coach.

Coach K has losses to a 15 and 14 seed. Self has losses to a 14 and a 13 in back to back years. Roy missed the tournament and has a first round loss. **** happens in the tournament.
 

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Simple. Whenever Barnhart gets us into a contractual bind, they pay online PR firms to spread propaganda and attempt to change sentiment. Im certain they did it with Cal, Stoops, and Joker. Notice at least on here, that the pumpers tend to either be new screennames or names you never see post. Simply go back and look at the new posters in this thread alone.
 

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Some folks are just inherently optimistic. Just as some are pessimistic.

I remember back in the day when a guy called into the post game show after a loss and asked what Tubby was going to do to turn this thing around. I think we were like 22-4 at the time. Old boy thought the program was in the gutter because we lost a game.
There’s a way to must be objective. I was rolling with pope until I saw disaster happen. He can’t recruit that’s a fact. He’s closing in on a season well below Kentucky standards that’s a fact. He lost his team this season that’s a fact. He had no tournament wins in 10 years and has a 63% winning percentage. That’s a fact. He’s never won a conference title as a head coach in going on 13 years. That’s a fact.

You don’t need to be optimistic or pessimistic, that’s is objectively not a UK caliber coach and not someone who’s going to make it here. Just be objective it’s right there to see
 

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You may be correct but I think a full evaluation of a complete year without any distractions should be the measuring stick. I think he deserves a third year.
He definitely doesn’t deserve a third year because he didn’t deserve the first one. He wasn’t qualified for the job, his resume did not land him this job, Mitch Barnhart checking good guy boxes and looking for a control hire and a distraction from the JMI contract did. Pope 100% doesn’t belong a day in the seat as a UK head coach. The reality is he should be removed today, but realize we’ll have to wait until next season to close it down. And we will, he has no chance.
 
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Pope bleeds Kentucky, is a very likeable guy, came in with a lot of enthusiasm, and I, like many others, hoped for his success. I still do hold hope but am very concerned about the seeming flaws and current recruiting concerns. Is he too nice or what reasonable explanation is there for putting Garrison in at the end of close games or not sitting him or Mo when they take a 3 point shot or dribble too much and end of with the ball going out of bounds or being picked? In fact, why are players allowed to do obvious things that are detrimental without consequence. Why would you put certain players like Jasper with Noah and Garrison at the same time? In tight games why play any of the questionable ones at all (unless forced with foul trouble)?

I get the built in excuses of J.Q. Lowe, and other injuries making this team less than what they were expected. However, that doesn't take away from repeat observable goofy subs, discipline, or allowing players to dictate terms versus the coaches. Plus, to win hearts and minds does not work with stupid excuses like we are tired, or other comments like somehow Kentucky has unique college basketball issues.
And also JQ was never recruited to be an impact here really so he’s not part of the injury list. He’s never been healthy and was recruited that way.
 

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It’s because to not be they’d have to face the reality that maybe they were incredibly brainless in running off an incredible coach.

Coach K has losses to a 15 and 14 seed. Self has losses to a 14 and a 13 in back to back years. Roy missed the tournament and has a first round loss. **** happens in the tournament.
Calipari has horrible losses and has like 1 sweet 16 in going on 7 years. He’s washed. The guy cannot be UK’s coach anymore. You cannot be that bad and remain in the seat. I agree if you’re going to hire mark pope then yes keep him for a legacy play. But nah, Calipari was really, really bad here later in his career. He was throwing games and there are contributors who believe that. He didn’t care anymore and made that clear to people that matter. He had a lot of demands that weren’t being met.

Calipari is done winning in college basketball. This Arkansas team isn’t going to a final four and this will likely be his best team there. This was the year he built everything up for. How about

1. Don’t give lifetime contracts they’re one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen in sports.

2. Remove Calipari, force him out, don’t hire Mark Pope.

Pretty easy.
 

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Why did this coach get not only a 3rd year but also a 4th year? 1st year 16-17, 2nd year 19-12, 3rd year 15-8, 4th year 23-10, 5th year 31-8 won a title, 6th year 37-3 won another title. Did his first 3 years show "who he is" was he destined to be nothing more than mediocre after is first 2 years? He deserves a 3rd year, because he made a roster mistake this year, if he can't fix things in his 3rd year it is time to move on. What would you have UK do fire every coach after 2 years until we get one that can make a Final Four in year 2?
Again with the mindless comparisons to Hurley. Y’all really need to quit with that. You throw out numbers without putting any kind of context behind it.

You fail to mention that UCONN was on probation when Hurley took over. You never bring up that college basketball was totally different than it is now. You never talk about that Hurley showed that he could win conference regular season and tournament titles at 2 different places. You for sure never talk about UCONN actually improving over his first 5 seasons before going back to back.

You just blindly through out records and say “you would have fired Hurley too.”

Was Hurleys teams totally unprepared to play game after game? Did they suffer multiple blowouts? Did they fall behind by double digits time after time? Did those teams display an alarming amount of lack of effort?

Because we all know that UK teams coached by Pope have done this time after time, even in the Sweet 16 season that some would hang a banner for if they could.

But that is that state of UK basketball in 2026. A good portion of the fanbase is satisfied with winning 63% of its games with a coach who wins 63% of his games.

I never thought I would see the day where UK fans would be fine with just being ok.
 
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MITCH BARNHART has created the apathy around our once great program, he has succeeded . He **** on CAL to the point he didn't give a rats behind about winning and losing. MITCH needs to be kicked out of the state of Kentucky, PERIOD.
 
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co_dee

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Calipari has horrible losses and has like 1 sweet 16 in going on 7 years. He’s washed. The guy cannot be UK’s coach anymore. You cannot be that bad and remain in the seat. I agree if you’re going to hire mark pope then yes keep him for a legacy play. But nah, Calipari was really, really bad here later in his career. He was throwing games and there are contributors who believe that. He didn’t care anymore and made that clear to people that matter. He had a lot of demands that weren’t being met.

Calipari is done winning in college basketball. This Arkansas team isn’t going to a final four and this will likely be his best team there. This was the year he built everything up for. How about

1. Don’t give lifetime contracts they’re one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen in sports.

2. Remove Calipari, force him out, don’t hire Mark Pope.

Pretty easy.
Do you pay attention to college basketball that isn’t UK? To say Cal is done winning is ignorance, perhaps willful at this point.
 

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Well we can blame cal for the reason behind the civil war feeling. Many thought he should stay and many thought he should go. You have the Pope effect because of what Pope did last year. He forbids to a sweet 16 when we hadn’t done it in 5 years. Probably elite 8 if Robinson was healthy. Last year his team was actually fun to watch because of their offense. Though filled with injuries, we won huge games and most against top 25 teams in school history. We finished as a 3 seed in the deepest conference the sport had ever seen. My main point is that Pope deserves one more chance because of what he did last year. He had 0 players coming in and had to fill a roster out in only a couple of weeks.
I agree with you that this year has been a disaster!!! However, it has been good enough to make the tournament. Cal missed the tournament twice!!! Is it Kentucky level of success yet.. no and far from it. But the season isn’t over yet. His record is 1-1 off of two years. We got to see what he does in year 3. If it’s a year like this one… we have to let him go.
It is going to be worse than this year......look @ the 5 Star commitments!!
 
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The last 6 years have brought alot of apathy honestly. I know several folks who just gave up watching

Back in the day when we lost my entire week was ruined, now it's such a common occurrence (especially the last two seasons) I'm almost numb to it
This right here is where I am. I used to get pissed and didn't want to talk to no one for a week when we lost now it's like it's expected and I don't even know half the time when we even play.
 

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There’s a way to must be objective. I was rolling with pope until I saw disaster happen. He can’t recruit that’s a fact. He’s closing in on a season well below Kentucky standards that’s a fact. He lost his team this season that’s a fact. He had no tournament wins in 10 years and has a 63% winning percentage. That’s a fact. He’s never won a conference title as a head coach in going on 13 years. That’s a fact.

You don’t need to be optimistic or pessimistic, that’s is objectively not a UK caliber coach and not someone who’s going to make it here. Just be objective it’s right there to see
I hated the hire from the get go. When the news broke it was about 10pm and I was sick to my stomach. Barely slept. I admit I was encouraged last season since he put that roster together in about 4 weeks. Then it became clear he can’t close the talent he wants and here we are. He was never qualified for this gig. I really hope he turns a corner
 

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He definitely doesn’t deserve a third year because he didn’t deserve the first one. He wasn’t qualified for the job, his resume did not land him this job, Mitch Barnhart checking good guy boxes and looking for a control hire and a distraction from the JMI contract did. Pope 100% doesn’t belong a day in the seat as a UK head coach. The reality is he should be removed today, but realize we’ll have to wait until next season to close it down. And we will, he has no chance.
Well we are in it now. So year three with a complete team is feesible. Perhaps he was the wrong hire but I am pretty sure there were others who turned us down before him so we have who we have.
 

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Well we are in it now. So year three with a complete team is feesible. Perhaps he was the wrong hire but I am pretty sure there were others who turned us down before him so we have who we have.
Oats was never approached. Pearl was ready to take it, the boosters wanted Pearl. Barnhart got in the way of Oats and then got with the BOT and talked everyone out of Pearl.

Much of this came from a place that also aligned with a lot of things Matt ended up saying later. Pope was a control hire to cover the JMI situation upcoming and to give us what we’ve been asking for in terms of the Kentucky on the front, 96, Pitino tour, etc. notice they never cared about that stuff before. Pope was hand picked by Barnhart intentionally.
 
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What the heck is going on with this fanbase? Twitter, Reddit, and Facebook along with other forums are filled with foolish nonsense blindly claiming “Pope is the right man for the job” despite the complete embarrassment he has wrought upon this program.

When did so many Kentucky fans become this way? This endless toxic positivity is destroying this program and they don’t give a flying hoot what is happening.

Not only do these fans appear to endlessly demand positivity from themselves, but from any fan who refuses to fall in line. They’re quick to insult other Kentucky fans, many falling to calling their fellow fans redneck yokels with too high expectations. I’ve seen it on here and I’m seeing it on other fan-pages and sites. WTF has happened to Kentucky fans? It’s like we’re in a civil war.
Same as politics can't admit they were wrong can't admit they got fooled
 
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Again with the mindless comparisons to Hurley. Y’all really need to quit with that. You throw out numbers without putting any kind of context behind it.

You fail to mention that UCONN was on probation when Hurley took over. You never bring up that college basketball was totally different than it is now. You never talk about that Hurley showed that he could win conference regular season and tournament titles at 2 different places. You for sure never talk about UCONN actually improving over his first 5 seasons before going back to back.

You just blindly through out records and say “you would have fired Hurley too.”

Was Hurleys teams totally unprepared to play game after game? Did they suffer multiple blowouts? Did they fall behind by double digits time after time? Did those teams display an alarming amount of lack of effort?

Because we all know that UK teams coached by Pope have done this time after time, even in the Sweet 16 season that some would hang a banner for if they could.

But that is that state of UK basketball in 2026. A good portion of the fanbase is satisfied with winning 63% of its games with a coach who wins 63% of his games.

I never thought I would see the day where UK fans would be fine with just being ok.
Never said I was ok with just being ok, I am saying that anyone that thinks a program should fire a coach when that coach hasn't even completed 2 seasons yet is a nut job. The only reason Pope should not get a 3rd year is if the first year he missed the tourney and then had a bad year this year. If he can't construct a good roster and make a deep run during year 3, then it is time to move on.
 
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