To be fair, even without the lunger, the position was damn close and another takedown there almost guarantees a win. It was just too big of a possible win not to throw it there…
My thoughts on the Iowa performance this weekend.
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The injury was obviously bad enough that it kept him from the post-season, correct? If so, then why did Brands want him to wrestle?
Sounds like a smart dude!
But, no, Iowa only has me in wrestling and I don’t follow basketball other than knowing Izzo has kept MSU relevant when Nasser almost fully destroyed ALL of MSU athletics.
Now, I do love football, even though MSU now sucks, but Iowa football is way too boring to follow and I know better than to even try to deal with football fanatics. With wrestling fans there is at least a good chance most fans have a clear understanding of the sport. The average football fan makes the average wrestling fan seem like they could narrate the best training videos ever created, by comparison…
I agree with you that Iowa's stacking up a lot of good loses. I appreciate your positive outlook.
According to him it was that bad. Doesn’t mean team trainers, doctors, etc would agree
Interesting that he would throw away a post season. Most wrestlers that I know, would wrestle with an arm ripped off if the staff would allow it. Maybe he is different I guess...
A situation that could be a great teaching moment about the difference between a concrete reason and an excuse.
I doubt we will ever find out which one it truly was. But, the way Brands colored his response, pretty much says he believes in the latter…
Word salad? Come on. Stick with the facts. I am not "someone who believes they know so much more about me in wrestling." I assumed you wrestled. Maybe I'm wrong. It does give me pause with you so hell bent on only one possible outcome in the center in that lifted position, when it's factual many things can occur.
He returned him to the mat each time near the edge instead of coming to the center. The result? Each time the exchange ended with the call they were off the mat. One can't score when both are off the mat . . . unless one is looking for a stall call which he blatantly was, shaking his head and moving his hands in disbelief.
If he returns him to the center there are more opportunities since they are still on the mat. He doesn't have to illegally slam him as you stated before. Yes, Rocco had his hands where they should be. Excellent defense. But both wrestlers' hands can move on the way down, especially if one is put more sideways which Ferrari was in the position / power to do. And Ferrari can make sure his knee(s) hit the mat before Rocco does if he brings him all the way down. If any of that happens there are more variables. That's my point. But he unwisely lifted him in the air to only carry him to the edge, in the hope Rocco would then take the opportunity to get off the mat and be given a stall call, despite the event clearly proved home cooking was in full force.
You have the right to believe lifting a man into the air and then carrying him to the edge is better than bringing him to the center. But in my experience in wrestling, and in watching it for over five decades, that is not the case.
That's all the time I'm putting into this, especially knowing your propensity to endlessly argue. You may have the last word.
The way guys move around in D-1 wrestling, still thought Ludington was the guy at 197.
GA has zero chance to AA.
OK, < 1%.
GA has zero chance to AA.
OK, < 1%.
The point isn’t that he wouldn’t have a better chance to score in the middle. The point was that he did nothing to improve his position after returning him both times with room to still finish. In fact, he was clearly in a less advantageous spot after returning him.
My point has been clear. The techniques used by both wrestlers there weren’t helped or hurt by how close they were to OB. If he returns him the exact same way in the center he was just as unlikely to finish both times as what actually happened…
Mind you, I paused and rewatched both lifts several times, watching all four hand positions throughout. I love watching the minutiae and THAT is the reason I confidently said what I said…
Also, it is INCREDIBLY difficult to lift an opponent the way he did both times from that position. I would doubt a handful of guys at all their ideal weight could do that. Add in how much harder it would be to do that and then walk backwards to the center with most of their combined center mass being well forward of his body. Most guys lose their grip and position trying to pull guys back to the center because that actually creates more space and waaay more resistance fighting gravity and the other guys momentum. The ONLY way he was going with all that weight in the air was FORWARD…
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FYI - Basketball posters on this Board are far worse. There just happens to be more football.Sounds like a smart dude!
But, no, Iowa only has me in wrestling and I don’t follow basketball other than knowing Izzo has kept MSU relevant when Nasser almost fully destroyed ALL of MSU athletics.
Now, I do love football, even though MSU now sucks, but Iowa football is way too boring to follow and I know better than to even try to deal with football fanatics. With wrestling fans there is at least a good chance most fans have a clear understanding of the sport. The average football fan makes the average wrestling fan seem like they could narrate the best training videos ever created, by comparison…
LMAO. A "night and day better" improvement from the regular season to get to 4th in the Big 10 with one finalist and no titles should make every Iowa fan ecstatic!!! I get it, as long as they're better than MSU, your lips will be firmly planted on Tom's peepee, but I don't think that's the expectation that most Iowa fans have (or should have).
Astoundingly, you're actually a complete embarrassment to the fanbases of two schools at once.
Astoundingly, you're actually a complete embarrassment to the fanbases of two schools at once.
Because I know you love when stats class is in session, I am here to help.
With the latest Wrestlestat rankings (they are the only ones updated so far), PSU has 5 expected finalists and a 1.8% chance of 8.
I’m of the exact same opinion…the guys wrestled to their abilities meaning we have a lot of holes to fill across the program if we want to compete against the top dawgs.
I'm worried about Petersons knee. The guy reffing should be removed. That was stone cold to refuse to stop it when Hawk coaches were screaming to watch his knee. If that would have been Cael, I guarantee you it would have stopped in a heartbeat. I think he will struggle at nattys once past first round.
Here’s a lesson from this season: seeds matter therefore matches matter.
Van Ness is very beatable.
My comment on the PSU board on Sat was "did I miss a rule change? Is Van Ness required to give up the first TD?"
Hawks could have 4 in the finals Saturday night and I would have said 5 if the ref hadn't allowed Peterson to get his knee twisted up. Now hear me out on this. Ayala and Ferrari are in the two toughest weight classes but these guys are at their best when it's on the line. PK is just a td apart from all the rest of the top 74s. And Cali just always is in the finals.
true. but the weight isn't very inspiring as a whole
I actually hope Angelo's seed at the National Tournament is where he hits Welsh fairly early in the tournament.
It will be interesting to see if Welsh can manage his way through the backside of the bracket.
That’s the thing, it’s not about the Brands or the guys on the team…we can like and be fond of everyone of them which I for the most part do and am. This is about the program and it appears as if I and many others think neither the Brands nor many of our current wrestlers can make this program competitive. And by competitive I mean battling for a team championship and individual champions most every year just like PSU is doing and Okie state will be doing in the next year or two. The fact that we’re getting excited about our 9 wrestlers in the consolation rounds doing their best to secure the team a 4th place finish at B10s with only one wrestler in the finals is not where we want or need to be. But I do get where you’re coming from with your fondness for Tom. And that’s why we don’t hire friends or family in the corporate world…so we don’t mind firing them if they’re not the droids we’re looking for.
My mistake on the scoring aspect, but I still don't believe Williams in the 5-7 range and Endene at 2/3 would have been enough FOR THIRD... as if that some kind of moral victory. Ultimately it's a completely ridiculous argument as neither scored any points for Iowa b/c they either aren't on the team or didn't make the roster!!
My issue with your posting over the last month or two has been your CONSTANT excuse making and justification for being satisfied with the status quo of Iowa's wrestling program. You use every hypothetical or strawman to excuse what we're seeing now as the best we can expect b/c PSU is just too darn good.
Very fair comments - quite possibly TNT thought there was no chance in hell a close call against a PSU wrestler was getting overturned, especially in that arena. It's getting to be pretty ridiculous how nearly every call seemingly goes their way and maybe they are rightfully gunshy. Now for a lunger - different story.
You are the reason I post. Please never stop. The air of entitlement, while having earned none of it comes out of your every posting pore. Never stop being you on here and you alone are incentive enough to keep posting.
Thank you for making my posts so worth while.
I am pretty sure preserving a year of eligibility was more paramount that fringe AA at NCAAs. And just giving him a full off-season to mature and preserve his psyche.
As you should, by right of law.
Nah, no, no. I still think you're a Penn State double agent.
Iowa football is boring but you have no problem with the current version of Iowa wresting.Sounds like a smart dude!
But, no, Iowa only has me in wrestling and I don’t follow basketball other than knowing Izzo has kept MSU relevant when Nasser almost fully destroyed ALL of MSU athletics.
Now, I do love football, even though MSU now sucks, but Iowa football is way too boring to follow and I know better than to even try to deal with football fanatics. With wrestling fans there is at least a good chance most fans have a clear understanding of the sport. The average football fan makes the average wrestling fan seem like they could narrate the best training videos ever created, by comparison…
He is, but you've gotta be able to go 7 minutes hard to do it because he is gonna attack the whole time. It's a big ask and the weight class isn't very good
It's okay to admit you have little understanding of the game of football. You have no problem pointing that out in wrestling conversations.
Who cares what his seed was? It isn’t like he was there to maximize his placing.
here is another from multiple seasons. recruit better. actually get guys that the team beating your brains in want.
This is why Iowa Wrestling won't recover anytime soon. Too many in the fanbase will accept more than they're willing to fault. Expectations will continue to lower. Coaching staff should be given a C at best for how they coached the B1G Tournament. With the talent they recruit and develop they need to be coaching at an A level to even stay in the hunt for 2nd.
Anyone who thinks they wrestled as tough as schedule is batshit crazy.
OSU 100% did not wrestle as tough a schedule as Iowa. Not even close