My thoughts on the Iowa performance this weekend.

MSU158

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First off, not only is PSU the best team I have ever watched, they seem to get every break as well. It isn’t a knock. It is just what winners do. Jordan, Brady, Tiger Woods, etc. They created an aura so strong that any close situation is colored so strongly in their favor simply because you expect them to win those situations and nearly all opponents can’t keep the pace long enough to stand out enough to earn it otherwise.

With that said, let’s try to keep it civil in the responses.

125: Peterson-5th. He lost a competitive match to the undefeated #1 and the #2 ranked wrestlers in the entire country. The first being two razor close calls and the other being by far his most competitive match in 3 attempts. Let that sink in. His only losses were to the top 2 in all of DI.

133: Ayala-3rd. His only loss was also to an undefeated #1 seed who was actually only #2 in the country. He would end up beating the defending NCAA champ in wrestlebacks.

141: Bailey-3rd. Yet again, his only loss was to the #1 ranked, undefeated and Hodge co-favorite.

149: Block-9th. I don’t know what to say here. The end of the Van Ness match is one of the few times I fully blame Brands. No matter his stance on the Brick, he should have known he needed to throw it. Still Block showed a ton of heart not mailing it in and winning the mini to qualify.

157: Voinovich-9th. I absolutely hate disparaging DI wrestlers, but this guy simply shouldn’t be the guy at a top DI program. Again, at least he pulled off the mini.

165: Caliendo-2nd. He is a great wrestler stuck in a weight class with an all timer. He fought the entire match and was even the aggressor at the end against a guy that NEVER stops.

174: Kennedy-4th. So much heart and works so hard. He is simply limited against guys that can weather his head hands and scramble at a very high level.

184: Ferrari-8th. Did all he needed to do coming of a serious injury and looked a ton better than I expected. Bad break in the quarters against yet again an undefeated #1.

197: Arnold-9th. Lost in OT to the #3 and #4 giving up a ton of weight. Not sure what more you could expect.

285: Kueter-4th. Lost to the #2 and 3 seeds.

Compared to the regular season, the performance was night and day. Now look, I get that the detractors on here want Iowa to simply be even better than that. But, you can’t ignore just how good PSU is and even tOSU. Out of the 16 total losses 6 were to undefeated guys. 5 of the remaining 10 were to top 5 guys in the country. 4 of the remaining 5 were Voinovich and Arnold simply wrestling where/when they shouldn’t be. Of that the ONLY bad loss was Ryder’s 2nd.

With that said, not having Endenne and Williams there hurt BADLY. Both absolutely could have and should have scored enough to easily surpass Nebraska. Why Brands can’t get his best at all 10 weights to March is the one issue I will join everyone against him on. For whatever reason it happens every single year and it is beyond frustrating…

So, yes I understand wanting more. I do too. I want to see a damn year where the team they start with is the team on the mat HEALTHY enough to win in March. My argument hasn’t been that they are as good as many of you want them to be. I KNOW they aren’t. It has simply been that they are way better than you portray and their performance clearly showed that.

With Angelo defaulting to 8th, they had 6 top 5s and 1 Finalist. The performance actually gave me more hope that they can meet my 6 AA’s threshold. That may still not be enough for many on here, but it’s waaay better than what many called for as the season progressed…
 

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Your breakdown tells the story pretty well..I just think Brands did a horrible job "helping" his wrestlers. Peterson and Ferrari are arguably the 3rd best guys in the weight. Angelo possible 2. Meanwhile they both got 8 seeds that hurt there chances big time.

Block is better than 8 seed but that's where he was seeded. Arnold a 13 seed..a joke, 157..a joke..should have been Williams, Keuter 10 seed a joke.

My point is the coach is suppossed to put his wrestlers in the best possible situation to achieve their goals. He didn't

Peterson and Ferrari..if they wrestle one more match in last 30 days, they not worst than 3 seeds
Once Endene went out..should have Arnold move up and get matches needed at 197. Kueter, not getting many matches killed his seed.

Bottom line..if Iowa goes to Soldier Salute.. they would have earned much better seeds and wouldn't have had the crap draws they had.

Brands gets an F for this season..no other way to say it. Not sure if he doesn't care or not know the importance of match counts, but he went into this season looking like he had no clue
 

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First off, not only is PSU the best team I have ever watched, they seem to get every break as well. It isn’t a knock. It is just what winners do. Jordan, Brady, Tiger Woods, etc. They created an aura so strong that any close situation is colored so strongly in their favor simply because you expect them to win those situations and nearly all opponents can’t keep the pace long enough to stand out enough to earn it otherwise.

With that said, let’s try to keep it civil in the responses.

125: Peterson-5th. He lost a competitive match to the undefeated #1 and the #2 ranked wrestlers in the entire country. The first being two razor close calls and the other being by far his most competitive match in 3 attempts. Let that sink in. His only losses were to the top 2 in all of DI.

133: Ayala-3rd. His only loss was also to an undefeated #1 seed who was actually only #2 in the country. He would end up beating the defending NCAA champ in wrestlebacks.

141: Bailey-3rd. Yet again, his only loss was to the #1 ranked, undefeated and Hodge co-favorite.

149: Block-9th. I don’t know what to say here. The end of the Van Ness match is one of the few times I fully blame Brands. No matter his stance on the Brick, he should have known he needed to throw it. Still Block showed a ton of heart not mailing it in and winning the mini to qualify.

157: Voinovich-9th. I absolutely hate disparaging DI wrestlers, but this guy simply shouldn’t be the guy at a top DI program. Again, at least he pulled off the mini.

165: Caliendo-2nd. He is a great wrestler stuck in a weight class with an all timer. He fought the entire match and was even the aggressor at the end against a guy that NEVER stops.

174: Kennedy-4th. So much heart and works so hard. He is simply limited against guys that can weather his head hands and scramble at a very high level.

184: Ferrari-8th. Did all he needed to do coming of a serious injury and looked a ton better than I expected. Bad break in the quarters against yet again an undefeated #1.

197: Arnold-9th. Lost in OT to the #3 and #4 giving up a ton of weight. Not sure what more you could expect.

285: Kueter-4th. Lost to the #2 and 3 seeds.

Compared to the regular season, the performance was night and day. Now look, I get that the detractors on here want Iowa to simply be even better than that. But, you can’t ignore just how good PSU is and even tOSU. Out of the 16 total losses 6 were to undefeated guys. 5 of the remaining 10 were to top 5 guys in the country. 4 of the remaining 5 were Voinovich and Arnold simply wrestling where/when they shouldn’t be. Of that the ONLY bad loss was Ryder’s 2nd.

With that said, not having Endenne and Williams there hurt BADLY. Both absolutely could have and should have scored enough to easily surpass Nebraska. Why Brands can’t get his best at all 10 weights to March is the one issue I will join everyone against him on. For whatever reason it happens every single year and it is beyond frustrating…

So, yes I understand wanting more. I do too. I want to see a damn year where the team they start with is the team on the mat HEALTHY enough to win in March. My argument hasn’t been that they are as good as many of you want them to be. I KNOW they aren’t. It has simply been that they are way better than you portray and their performance clearly showed that.

With Angelo defaulting to 8th, they had 6 top 5s and 1 Finalist. The performance actually gave me more hope that they can meet my 6 AA’s threshold. That may still not be enough for many on here, but it’s waaay better than what many called for as the season progressed…
MSU, that was an excellent summation and I agree with pretty much everything you said. Well done my friend. And yes, we need more talented wrestlers so we can be the number 1 and 2 guys in the B10 and we need a healthy team come March. Kudos for an exceptional post. :)
 

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Tip of the hat to your 125, 133, 141, 165 (love him), kinda 174, 184 (not too shabby for first matches back), 197 (all heart), and HWT. Not so much 149. Everyone knew you weren't getting anything at 157. Overall, decent team performance, especially yesterday. Maybe Brands is finally figuring it out. Maybe it's a sign of what's to come in 2 weeks.
 

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First off, not only is PSU the best team I have ever watched, they seem to get every break as well. It isn’t a knock. It is just what winners do. Jordan, Brady, Tiger Woods, etc. They created an aura so strong that any close situation is colored so strongly in their favor simply because you expect them to win those situations and nearly all opponents can’t keep the pace long enough to stand out enough to earn it otherwise.

With that said, let’s try to keep it civil in the responses.

125: Peterson-5th. He lost a competitive match to the undefeated #1 and the #2 ranked wrestlers in the entire country. The first being two razor close calls and the other being by far his most competitive match in 3 attempts. Let that sink in. His only losses were to the top 2 in all of DI.

133: Ayala-3rd. His only loss was also to an undefeated #1 seed who was actually only #2 in the country. He would end up beating the defending NCAA champ in wrestlebacks.

141: Bailey-3rd. Yet again, his only loss was to the #1 ranked, undefeated and Hodge co-favorite.

149: Block-9th. I don’t know what to say here. The end of the Van Ness match is one of the few times I fully blame Brands. No matter his stance on the Brick, he should have known he needed to throw it. Still Block showed a ton of heart not mailing it in and winning the mini to qualify.

157: Voinovich-9th. I absolutely hate disparaging DI wrestlers, but this guy simply shouldn’t be the guy at a top DI program. Again, at least he pulled off the mini.

165: Caliendo-2nd. He is a great wrestler stuck in a weight class with an all timer. He fought the entire match and was even the aggressor at the end against a guy that NEVER stops.

174: Kennedy-4th. So much heart and works so hard. He is simply limited against guys that can weather his head hands and scramble at a very high level.

184: Ferrari-8th. Did all he needed to do coming of a serious injury and looked a ton better than I expected. Bad break in the quarters against yet again an undefeated #1.

197: Arnold-9th. Lost in OT to the #3 and #4 giving up a ton of weight. Not sure what more you could expect.

285: Kueter-4th. Lost to the #2 and 3 seeds.

Compared to the regular season, the performance was night and day. Now look, I get that the detractors on here want Iowa to simply be even better than that. But, you can’t ignore just how good PSU is and even tOSU. Out of the 16 total losses 6 were to undefeated guys. 5 of the remaining 10 were to top 5 guys in the country. 4 of the remaining 5 were Voinovich and Arnold simply wrestling where/when they shouldn’t be. Of that the ONLY bad loss was Ryder’s 2nd.

With that said, not having Endenne and Williams there hurt BADLY. Both absolutely could have and should have scored enough to easily surpass Nebraska. Why Brands can’t get his best at all 10 weights to March is the one issue I will join everyone against him on. For whatever reason it happens every single year and it is beyond frustrating…

So, yes I understand wanting more. I do too. I want to see a damn year where the team they start with is the team on the mat HEALTHY enough to win in March. My argument hasn’t been that they are as good as many of you want them to be. I KNOW they aren’t. It has simply been that they are way better than you portray and their performance clearly showed that.

With Angelo defaulting to 8th, they had 6 top 5s and 1 Finalist. The performance actually gave me more hope that they can meet my 6 AA’s threshold. That may still not be enough for many on here, but it’s waaay better than what many called for as the season progressed…
Iowa wrestled about as well as one could expect them to wrestle.
 

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First off, not only is PSU the best team I have ever watched, they seem to get every break as well. It isn’t a knock. It is just what winners do. Jordan, Brady, Tiger Woods, etc. They created an aura so strong that any close situation is colored so strongly in their favor simply because you expect them to win those situations and nearly all opponents can’t keep the pace long enough to stand out enough to earn it otherwise.

With that said, let’s try to keep it civil in the responses.

125: Peterson-5th. He lost a competitive match to the undefeated #1 and the #2 ranked wrestlers in the entire country. The first being two razor close calls and the other being by far his most competitive match in 3 attempts. Let that sink in. His only losses were to the top 2 in all of DI.

133: Ayala-3rd. His only loss was also to an undefeated #1 seed who was actually only #2 in the country. He would end up beating the defending NCAA champ in wrestlebacks.

141: Bailey-3rd. Yet again, his only loss was to the #1 ranked, undefeated and Hodge co-favorite.

149: Block-9th. I don’t know what to say here. The end of the Van Ness match is one of the few times I fully blame Brands. No matter his stance on the Brick, he should have known he needed to throw it. Still Block showed a ton of heart not mailing it in and winning the mini to qualify.

157: Voinovich-9th. I absolutely hate disparaging DI wrestlers, but this guy simply shouldn’t be the guy at a top DI program. Again, at least he pulled off the mini.

165: Caliendo-2nd. He is a great wrestler stuck in a weight class with an all timer. He fought the entire match and was even the aggressor at the end against a guy that NEVER stops.

174: Kennedy-4th. So much heart and works so hard. He is simply limited against guys that can weather his head hands and scramble at a very high level.

184: Ferrari-8th. Did all he needed to do coming of a serious injury and looked a ton better than I expected. Bad break in the quarters against yet again an undefeated #1.

197: Arnold-9th. Lost in OT to the #3 and #4 giving up a ton of weight. Not sure what more you could expect.

285: Kueter-4th. Lost to the #2 and 3 seeds.

Compared to the regular season, the performance was night and day. Now look, I get that the detractors on here want Iowa to simply be even better than that. But, you can’t ignore just how good PSU is and even tOSU. Out of the 16 total losses 6 were to undefeated guys. 5 of the remaining 10 were to top 5 guys in the country. 4 of the remaining 5 were Voinovich and Arnold simply wrestling where/when they shouldn’t be. Of that the ONLY bad loss was Ryder’s 2nd.

With that said, not having Endenne and Williams there hurt BADLY. Both absolutely could have and should have scored enough to easily surpass Nebraska. Why Brands can’t get his best at all 10 weights to March is the one issue I will join everyone against him on. For whatever reason it happens every single year and it is beyond frustrating…

So, yes I understand wanting more. I do too. I want to see a damn year where the team they start with is the team on the mat HEALTHY enough to win in March. My argument hasn’t been that they are as good as many of you want them to be. I KNOW they aren’t. It has simply been that they are way better than you portray and their performance clearly showed that.

With Angelo defaulting to 8th, they had 6 top 5s and 1 Finalist. The performance actually gave me more hope that they can meet my 6 AA’s threshold. That may still not be enough for many on here, but it’s waaay better than what many called for as the season progressed…
It's a slippery slope, because Iowa obvisoulsy outpreformed their seeds this weekend, but why were there seeds so low to begin with? Why can't Iowa wrestle better during the season? And can they outpreform their seeds in 2 weeks at NCAA's. If not, this weekend doesn't matter and it was just an aberration.

Something else that is still troublesome is why are we always hurt? Why is our match count so low so we can't obtain good seeds? Look at PSU or Okie State, they wrestle just as tough of a scheudle as we do, but yet their wrestlers all get 20 matches and do not seem to get hurt near as often as Iowa does. Has Brands ever been made to answer this question? It has to be the training? No amount of luck is that bad, that it just effects one team. And now it looks like Ferrari "tweaked" his left shoulder. Not good. I imagine he is gonna have a big brace and be limited at NCAA's.
 
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First off, not only is PSU the best team I have ever watched, they seem to get every break as well. It isn’t a knock. It is just what winners do. Jordan, Brady, Tiger Woods, etc. They created an aura so strong that any close situation is colored so strongly in their favor simply because you expect them to win those situations and nearly all opponents can’t keep the pace long enough to stand out enough to earn it otherwise.

With that said, let’s try to keep it civil in the responses.

125: Peterson-5th. He lost a competitive match to the undefeated #1 and the #2 ranked wrestlers in the entire country. The first being two razor close calls and the other being by far his most competitive match in 3 attempts. Let that sink in. His only losses were to the top 2 in all of DI.

133: Ayala-3rd. His only loss was also to an undefeated #1 seed who was actually only #2 in the country. He would end up beating the defending NCAA champ in wrestlebacks.

141: Bailey-3rd. Yet again, his only loss was to the #1 ranked, undefeated and Hodge co-favorite.

149: Block-9th. I don’t know what to say here. The end of the Van Ness match is one of the few times I fully blame Brands. No matter his stance on the Brick, he should have known he needed to throw it. Still Block showed a ton of heart not mailing it in and winning the mini to qualify.

157: Voinovich-9th. I absolutely hate disparaging DI wrestlers, but this guy simply shouldn’t be the guy at a top DI program. Again, at least he pulled off the mini.

165: Caliendo-2nd. He is a great wrestler stuck in a weight class with an all timer. He fought the entire match and was even the aggressor at the end against a guy that NEVER stops.

174: Kennedy-4th. So much heart and works so hard. He is simply limited against guys that can weather his head hands and scramble at a very high level.

184: Ferrari-8th. Did all he needed to do coming of a serious injury and looked a ton better than I expected. Bad break in the quarters against yet again an undefeated #1.

197: Arnold-9th. Lost in OT to the #3 and #4 giving up a ton of weight. Not sure what more you could expect.

285: Kueter-4th. Lost to the #2 and 3 seeds.

Compared to the regular season, the performance was night and day. Now look, I get that the detractors on here want Iowa to simply be even better than that. But, you can’t ignore just how good PSU is and even tOSU. Out of the 16 total losses 6 were to undefeated guys. 5 of the remaining 10 were to top 5 guys in the country. 4 of the remaining 5 were Voinovich and Arnold simply wrestling where/when they shouldn’t be. Of that the ONLY bad loss was Ryder’s 2nd.

With that said, not having Endenne and Williams there hurt BADLY. Both absolutely could have and should have scored enough to easily surpass Nebraska. Why Brands can’t get his best at all 10 weights to March is the one issue I will join everyone against him on. For whatever reason it happens every single year and it is beyond frustrating…

So, yes I understand wanting more. I do too. I want to see a damn year where the team they start with is the team on the mat HEALTHY enough to win in March. My argument hasn’t been that they are as good as many of you want them to be. I KNOW they aren’t. It has simply been that they are way better than you portray and their performance clearly showed that.

With Angelo defaulting to 8th, they had 6 top 5s and 1 Finalist. The performance actually gave me more hope that they can meet my 6 AA’s threshold. That may still not be enough for many on here, but it’s waaay better than what many called for as the season progressed…
This Penn State team is not the best team ever. But it's okay if you want to disagree with that and be wrong. Some people feel compelled to be gracious in defeat and "show" "good" "sportsmanship" even when it's not the right thing (or necessary) to do.

So I understand. 🙂
 
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Your breakdown tells the story pretty well..I just think Brands did a horrible job "helping" his wrestlers. Peterson and Ferrari are arguably the 3rd best guys in the weight. Angelo possible 2. Meanwhile they both got 8 seeds that hurt there chances big time.

Block is better than 8 seed but that's where he was seeded. Arnold a 13 seed..a joke, 157..a joke..should have been Williams, Keuter 10 seed a joke.

My point is the coach is suppossed to put his wrestlers in the best possible situation to achieve their goals. He didn't

Peterson and Ferrari..if they wrestle one more match in last 30 days, they not worst than 3 seeds
Once Endene went out..should have Arnold move up and get matches needed at 197. Kueter, not getting many matches killed his seed.

Bottom line..if Iowa goes to Soldier Salute.. they would have earned much better seeds and wouldn't have had the crap draws they had.

Brands gets an F for this season..no other way to say it. Not sure if he doesn't care or not know the importance of match counts, but he went into this season looking like he had no clue

To say Brands didn’t help a guy in Ferrari who was out for 2 months and only wrestled enough matches to AQ is next level message board jockey work.
 

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This Penn State team is not the best team ever. But it's okay if you want to disagree with that and be wrong. Some people feel compelled to be gracious in defeat and "show" "good" "sportsmanship" even when it's not the right thing (or necessary) to do.

So I understand. 🙂
They are on pace to have EIGHT guys in the damn NCAA Finals. Please tell me what team was better than that? Do you even know what the record for Finalists is????
 

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To say Brands didn’t help a guy in Ferrari who was out for 2 months and only wrestled enough matches to AQ is next level message board jockey work.
He only had to wrestle one match in last 30 days and he would have gotten a coaches rank. Even if he stepped on the mat and injury defaulted if he was that hurt (he looked fine to me), it still would have counted and he would have gottena coaches rank of 2. He got no coaches rank, thus why he seeded that low
 
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They are on pace to have EIGHT guys in the damn NCAA Finals.
Are they now...............

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Please tell me what team was better than that?
Iowa

Because f*** Penn State, that's why. Hopefully, you can handle that truth. I don't trust that your wrestlehead brain will allow that, but I'm willing to accept that. 🙂

Do you even know what the record for Finalists is????
Because of the tone of that question, do you want me to be a smartas* or do you want the actual answer?............🙂
 

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He only had to wrestle one match in last 30 days and he would have gotten a coaches rank. Even if he stepped on the mat and injury defaulted if he was that hurt (he looked fine to me), it still would have counted and he would have gottena coaches rank of 2. He got no coaches rank, thus why he seeded that low

Oh I thought we were talking about this weekend. Guess not.

Wait, no…we were.
 

pish69

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Oh I thought we were talking about this weekend. Guess not.

Wait, no…we were.
Are you that stupid? If Angelo doesn't get 8 seed, he finishes better than 8. If he wrestled one more match in last 30 days, he's no worse than 4 seed.

What the hell don't u understand?
 
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First off, not only is PSU the best team I have ever watched, they seem to get every break as well. It isn’t a knock. It is just what winners do. Jordan, Brady, Tiger Woods, etc. They created an aura so strong that any close situation is colored so strongly in their favor simply because you expect them to win those situations and nearly all opponents can’t keep the pace long enough to stand out enough to earn it otherwise.

With that said, let’s try to keep it civil in the responses.

125: Peterson-5th. He lost a competitive match to the undefeated #1 and the #2 ranked wrestlers in the entire country. The first being two razor close calls and the other being by far his most competitive match in 3 attempts. Let that sink in. His only losses were to the top 2 in all of DI.

133: Ayala-3rd. His only loss was also to an undefeated #1 seed who was actually only #2 in the country. He would end up beating the defending NCAA champ in wrestlebacks.

141: Bailey-3rd. Yet again, his only loss was to the #1 ranked, undefeated and Hodge co-favorite.

149: Block-9th. I don’t know what to say here. The end of the Van Ness match is one of the few times I fully blame Brands. No matter his stance on the Brick, he should have known he needed to throw it. Still Block showed a ton of heart not mailing it in and winning the mini to qualify.

157: Voinovich-9th. I absolutely hate disparaging DI wrestlers, but this guy simply shouldn’t be the guy at a top DI program. Again, at least he pulled off the mini.

165: Caliendo-2nd. He is a great wrestler stuck in a weight class with an all timer. He fought the entire match and was even the aggressor at the end against a guy that NEVER stops.

174: Kennedy-4th. So much heart and works so hard. He is simply limited against guys that can weather his head hands and scramble at a very high level.

184: Ferrari-8th. Did all he needed to do coming of a serious injury and looked a ton better than I expected. Bad break in the quarters against yet again an undefeated #1.

197: Arnold-9th. Lost in OT to the #3 and #4 giving up a ton of weight. Not sure what more you could expect.

285: Kueter-4th. Lost to the #2 and 3 seeds.

Compared to the regular season, the performance was night and day. Now look, I get that the detractors on here want Iowa to simply be even better than that. But, you can’t ignore just how good PSU is and even tOSU. Out of the 16 total losses 6 were to undefeated guys. 5 of the remaining 10 were to top 5 guys in the country. 4 of the remaining 5 were Voinovich and Arnold simply wrestling where/when they shouldn’t be. Of that the ONLY bad loss was Ryder’s 2nd.

With that said, not having Endenne and Williams there hurt BADLY. Both absolutely could have and should have scored enough to easily surpass Nebraska. Why Brands can’t get his best at all 10 weights to March is the one issue I will join everyone against him on. For whatever reason it happens every single year and it is beyond frustrating…

So, yes I understand wanting more. I do too. I want to see a damn year where the team they start with is the team on the mat HEALTHY enough to win in March. My argument hasn’t been that they are as good as many of you want them to be. I KNOW they aren’t. It has simply been that they are way better than you portray and their performance clearly showed that.

With Angelo defaulting to 8th, they had 6 top 5s and 1 Finalist. The performance actually gave me more hope that they can meet my 6 AA’s threshold. That may still not be enough for many on here, but it’s waaay better than what many called for as the season progressed…
Solid. What is the rule on challenges? 1 per match? Tourney? I only watched through the quarters so was wondering what happened with Block. Was he gassed after the SVN match? In any case, Brands did a great disservice to Block by not throwing the brick.
 

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Are they now...............

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Iowa

Because f*** Penn State, that's why. Hopefully, you can handle that truth. I don't trust that your wrestlehead brain will allow that, but I'm willing to accept that. 🙂


Because of the tone of that question, do you want me to be a smartas* or do you want the actual answer?............🙂
You need to practice up on your trolling game. Never get caught in absolutes. Do you think I remotely like calling PSU the best ever? By now it should be painfully obvious that I do NOT cheer for them whatsoever.

I felt the exact same about Brady and New England, but that doesn’t mean you can’t acknowledge their greatness. What PSU is currently doing has surpassed even Gable’s time and I never thought that could be touched, much like DiMaggio’s hit streak.

Hell, even their conditioning across all weights is something I have never seen before. They look like they could wrestle another full 7 minute match against a fresh guy right after. I say it as begrudgingly as possible, but they are a squad unlike anything I ever expected at the DI level…
 

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First off, not only is PSU the best team I have ever watched, they seem to get every break as well. It isn’t a knock. It is just what winners do. Jordan, Brady, Tiger Woods, etc. They created an aura so strong that any close situation is colored so strongly in their favor simply because you expect them to win those situations and nearly all opponents can’t keep the pace long enough to stand out enough to earn it otherwise.

With that said, let’s try to keep it civil in the responses.

125: Peterson-5th. He lost a competitive match to the undefeated #1 and the #2 ranked wrestlers in the entire country. The first being two razor close calls and the other being by far his most competitive match in 3 attempts. Let that sink in. His only losses were to the top 2 in all of DI.

133: Ayala-3rd. His only loss was also to an undefeated #1 seed who was actually only #2 in the country. He would end up beating the defending NCAA champ in wrestlebacks.

141: Bailey-3rd. Yet again, his only loss was to the #1 ranked, undefeated and Hodge co-favorite.

149: Block-9th. I don’t know what to say here. The end of the Van Ness match is one of the few times I fully blame Brands. No matter his stance on the Brick, he should have known he needed to throw it. Still Block showed a ton of heart not mailing it in and winning the mini to qualify.

157: Voinovich-9th. I absolutely hate disparaging DI wrestlers, but this guy simply shouldn’t be the guy at a top DI program. Again, at least he pulled off the mini.

165: Caliendo-2nd. He is a great wrestler stuck in a weight class with an all timer. He fought the entire match and was even the aggressor at the end against a guy that NEVER stops.

174: Kennedy-4th. So much heart and works so hard. He is simply limited against guys that can weather his head hands and scramble at a very high level.

184: Ferrari-8th. Did all he needed to do coming of a serious injury and looked a ton better than I expected. Bad break in the quarters against yet again an undefeated #1.

197: Arnold-9th. Lost in OT to the #3 and #4 giving up a ton of weight. Not sure what more you could expect.

285: Kueter-4th. Lost to the #2 and 3 seeds.

Compared to the regular season, the performance was night and day. Now look, I get that the detractors on here want Iowa to simply be even better than that. But, you can’t ignore just how good PSU is and even tOSU. Out of the 16 total losses 6 were to undefeated guys. 5 of the remaining 10 were to top 5 guys in the country. 4 of the remaining 5 were Voinovich and Arnold simply wrestling where/when they shouldn’t be. Of that the ONLY bad loss was Ryder’s 2nd.

With that said, not having Endenne and Williams there hurt BADLY. Both absolutely could have and should have scored enough to easily surpass Nebraska. Why Brands can’t get his best at all 10 weights to March is the one issue I will join everyone against him on. For whatever reason it happens every single year and it is beyond frustrating…

So, yes I understand wanting more. I do too. I want to see a damn year where the team they start with is the team on the mat HEALTHY enough to win in March. My argument hasn’t been that they are as good as many of you want them to be. I KNOW they aren’t. It has simply been that they are way better than you portray and their performance clearly showed that.

With Angelo defaulting to 8th, they had 6 top 5s and 1 Finalist. The performance actually gave me more hope that they can meet my 6 AA’s threshold. That may still not be enough for many on here, but it’s waaay better than what many called for as the season progressed…
While this is certainly a fair breakdown of the weekend, the 5,000 lb gorilla in the room is Iowa guys are losing to top 5 wrestlers in the country bc Iowa doesnt have and/or hasn't developed them to be on their roster (minus 1 in Mikey C). Period.
That's the story of the 2025/2026 season.
Sure it was great to see Ayala beat Byrd, Bailey put forth a good showing, Mikey dominating everyone but Mess, and Ben beat Hopke and Mirasola. But none of those were even Big 10 championship level matches, much less NCAAs.
And you're on crack if you think Williams and Endene would have pushed Iowa to 3rd. Nebraska had 5 finalists. Their worst finisher was one guy getting 8th and they qualified all 10 wrestlers.
Williams was likely best case going 2-2 and Mo best best case was to make the finals, more likely finish 3/4th.
That isn't providing an extra 30 points above what Gabe and VV did.
 

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Solid. What is the rule on challenges? 1 per match? Tourney? I only watched through the quarters so was wondering what happened with Block. Was he gassed after the SVN match? In any case, Brands did a great disservice to Block by not throwing the brick.
First off, I absolutely believe the possible takedown was close enough to challenge. I have seen way less called a takedown in real time, let alone in review. Second, he absolutely hit a wall trying to finish that. You could plainly see it on his face. As soon as he begged the corner to throw it, they should have seen it and complied. I don’t care what their personal feelings were. You are there to give your wrestler the best chance to win.

That sequence was handled horribly and that is coming from someone that almost never disparages the Iowa coaches…
 

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What you watched was a Big Ten tournament, with plenty of home cooking at State College. There was one in which Iowa won 9 of the 10 weights.

I don't see them bringing eight to the finals. Look at how close it was to not having Van Ness in the finals. It was egregious that Block had two stalls called against him in that second period. Rocco was beat by McEnelly, imo. And I've already had to listen to your asinine statemen about what could not happen if Ferrari brought him to the center twice. A lot can change during the NCAA tourney.
 
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You need to practice up on your trolling game.
Why? I'm getting you to justify your actions/posts, so I'd say I'm doing just fine.......😁
Never get caught in absolutes.
You mean "poking the bear"?.......😉
Do you think I remotely like calling PSU the best ever?


By now it should be painfully obvious that I do NOT cheer for them whatsoever.
Never said you were cheering for them........
I felt the exact same about Brady and New England, but that doesn’t mean you can’t acknowledge their greatness.
The ole hate em but respect em routine............refer to what I said in my first post. It's not necessary. I understand the feeling of needing to be sportsmanlike and gracious in defeat, of the almighty emperors of the sport.

I'm telling you you don't need to be, because they factually don't deserve it and you don't need me to explain why either. Hope that helps! 😃
What PSU is currently doing has surpassed even Gable’s time and I never thought that could be touched, much like DiMaggio’s hit streak.
So kick them out of the sport, or we all walk away from them. It's only fair.
Hell, even their conditioning across all weights is something I have never seen before.
I get what you're putting down, and I wholeheartedly agree! 😉
They look like they could wrestle another full 7 minute match against a fresh guy right after. I say it as begrudgingly as possible (do you, though?......), but they are a squad unlike anything I ever expected at the DI level…
You might wanna calm down a bit there.....

 

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While this is certainly a fair breakdown of the weekend, the 5,000 lb gorilla in the room is Iowa guys are losing to top 5 wrestlers in the country bc Iowa doesnt have and/or hasn't developed them to be on their roster (minus 1 in Mikey C). Period.
That's the story of the 2025/2026 season.
Sure it was great to see Ayala beat Byrd, Bailey put forth a good showing, Mikey dominating everyone but Mess, and Ben beat Hopke and Mirasola. But none of those were even Big 10 championship level matches, much less NCAAs.
And you're on crack if you think Williams and Endene would have pushed Iowa to 3rd. Nebraska had 5 finalists. Their worst finisher was one guy getting 8th and they qualified all 10 wrestlers.
Williams was likely best case going 2-2 and Mo best best case was to make the finals, more likely finish 3/4th.
That isn't providing an extra 30 points above what Gabe and VV did.
So you basically have no idea how scoring works, right?

First off, Williams was definitely capable of wrestling for 3-4 in that field, if healthy. Which was my damn point if you actually read. Still let’s say he takes 5th, on average that scores about a dozen.

As far as Endenne goes 197 was a soft as tissue paper after Barr. 18 would have been reasonable without requiring a fall. Meanwhile placing over McDanel takes points away from Nebraska also…
 

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What you watched was a Big Ten tournament, with plenty of home cooking at State College. There was one in which Iowa won 9 of the 10 weights.

I don't see them bringing eight to the finals. Look at how close it was to not having Van Ness in the finals. It was egregious that Block had two stalls called against him in that second period. Rocco was beat by McEnelly, imo. And I've already had to listen to your asinine statemen about what could not happen if Ferrari brought him to the center twice. A lot can change during the NCAA tourney.
They will likely have an undefeated #1 seed at 125, 149, 165, 174, 184 and 197. Think about that. Then they will have one loss Blaze and Duke that were just in World Team Finals. So, that is 8 guys with 2 losses COMBINED and BOTH have beaten the guys they have lost to.

Now, I am not remotely calling for 8 Champs, but damn they sure could have 8 in the Finals without much difficulty…

LMFAO, did you even watch Ferrari’s hand position both times after lifting and coming back down to the mat? Regardless of being on the edge he came nowhere close to securing the other hip or leg and loses that position the same damn way if he does it in the center. Do you honestly think I like saying that? Do you not think I WANT to think he finishes those easily? It isn’t about the want. It is literally about watching the wrestling close enough to identify the positions and what it takes to finish them…
 

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Why? I'm getting you to justify your actions/posts, so I'd say I'm doing just fine.......😁

You mean "poking the bear"?.......😉




Never said you were cheering for them........

The ole hate em but respect em routine............refer to what I said in my first post. It's not necessary. I understand the feeling of needing to be sportsmanlike and gracious in defeat, of the almighty emperors of the sport.

I'm telling you you don't need to be, because they factually don't deserve it and you don't need me to explain why either. Hope that helps! 😃

So kick them out of the sport, or we all walk away from them. It's only fair.

I get what you're putting down, and I wholeheartedly agree! 😉

You might wanna calm down a bit there.....

I basically troll every PSU fan I can as often as I can. That should make it painstakingly obvious.
 

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Are you that stupid? If Angelo doesn't get 8 seed, he finishes better than 8. If he wrestled one more match in last 30 days, he's no worse than 4 seed.

What the hell don't u understand?
Even if he took the 10 points you sure he's within 130 points of the #4 🤷. What was Angelo point total and what was #4 Mantonona total. Just trying to understand
 

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Even if he took the 10 points you sure he's within 130 points of the #4 🤷. What was Angelo point total and what was #4 Mantonona total. Just trying to understand
No clue..the point spread wasn't given out. I'm sure he would have been 6th or better to keep him away from Rocco or Max until semi's. That would have been key for him. He would have easily won first 2 matches and then meet Rocco or Max in semi's
 

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What you watched was a Big Ten tournament, with plenty of home cooking at State College. There was one in which Iowa won 9 of the 10 weights.

I don't see them bringing eight to the finals. Look at how close it was to not having Van Ness in the finals. It was egregious that Block had two stalls called against him in that second period. Rocco was beat by McEnelly, imo. And I've already had to listen to your asinine statemen about what could not happen if Ferrari brought him to the center twice. A lot can change during the NCAA tourney.

In recent history, PSU has actually done better at NCAA;'s than they have at BIG's. That is going to be tough to do this year.
 

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So you basically have no idea how scoring works, right?

First off, Williams was definitely capable of wrestling for 3-4 in that field, if healthy. Which was my damn point if you actually read. Still let’s say he takes 5th, on average that scores about a dozen.

As far as Endenne goes 197 was a soft as tissue paper after Barr. 18 would have been reasonable without requiring a fall. Meanwhile placing over McDanel takes points away from Nebraska also…
I don't remotely see Williams placing 3/4. 5/6th would have been a reach. There's a reason he was left home. And VV actually scored a few points so you only get the difference. Same with Mo and Arnold.
Regardless neither wrestled for Iowa in the post season for a reason. Playing the hypothetical game is pointless. You are what your finish is.
 

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I don't remotely see Williams placing 3/4. 5/6th would have been a reach. There's a reason he was left home. And VV actually scored a few points so you only get the difference. Same with Mo and Arnold.
Regardless neither wrestled for Iowa in the post season for a reason. Playing the hypothetical game is pointless. You are what your finish is.
Voinovich went 0-2 scoring ZERO points. What he did in the mini bracket doesn’t count for team scoring. Arnold scored .5 points for a regular decision in the consis. So, basically you further confirmed you don’t understand scoring.

Again, my point wasn’t just having Williams there. Believing VHS, Williams said he was too hurt to wrestle, hence Brands saying Voinovich “had more fight” because Williams wasn’t willing to wrestle with the injury, knowing he loses the year no matter what if he doesn’t go.

Finally, if you actually learn how to read, that portion of my post was not a wish at some best case hypothetical scenario, it was actually a complete knock on the Brands not getting all 10 of his guys to B1G’s healthy enough to win…
 
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Now, I am not remotely calling for 8 Champs, but damn they sure could have 8 in the Finals without much difficulty…
It will be difficult to get 8 in the finals at the NCAA tourney. After all, it was difficult to get 8 in the B1G finals.

LMFAO, did you even watch Ferrari’s hand position both times after lifting and coming back down to the mat? Regardless of being on the edge he came nowhere close to securing the other hip or leg and loses that position the same damn way if he does it in the center. Do you honestly think I like saying that? Do you not think I WANT to think he finishes those easily? It isn’t about the want. It is literally about watching the wrestling close enough to identify the positions and what it takes to finish them…
I don't give a flip what you WANT. I know enough about wrestling to know that a lot can happen when somebody is brought down from on high in the center of the mat verses the edge. All that space creates opportunities. The problem with Ferrari is that he let it go to the edge twice and then looked perplexed as there was no stalling call. I've seen a whole lot of variables take place with the hand positions on the way down. I've seen what seems to be almost "impossible" and completely unpredictable things happen. For you to be so adamant about it gives me the impression you never wrestled. But I assume you have.
 
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I agree with most of what you said, MSU. (Then I slapped myself after reading your 10 additional posts all saying the same thing.)

Iowa had a relatively good weekend--"relatively good" defined as 4th place in the B1Gs and looking at probable 6th at NCAAs. Which could also be termed "relatively horrid" from an historical perspective. Two things can be true at the same time.

We finished a whopping 97 points behind Penn State, 61.5 behind Ohio State, and 29.5 behind Nebraska. Half a point ahead of Michigan.

We had one finalist--vs. 8 for Penn State, 5 for Nebraska, 3 for Ohio State, and 2 for Minnesota. We tied with Michigan.

But, yes, relatively good compared to the season to date.

My opinion about the state of Iowa Wrestling and the need for a complete coaching shakeup has not changed. I am hoping for good individual performances at NCAAs, and I am hoping Beth is just playing her cards close to her chest while quietly understanding the need for change.

Kudos to our guys who performed to the best of their ability--wishing them good luck at NCAAs.
 

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It will be difficult to get 8 in the finals at the NCAA tourney. After all, it was difficult to get 8 in the B1G finals.


I don't give a flip what you want. I know enough about wrestling to know that a lot can happen when somebody is brought down from on high in the center of the mat verses the edge. All that space creates opportunities. The problem with Ferrari is that he let it go to the edge twice and then looked perplexed as there was no stalling call. I've seen a whole lot of variables take place with the hand positions on the way down. I've seen what seems to be almost "impossible" and completely unpredictable things happen. For you to be so adamant about it gives me the impression you never wrestled. But I assume you have.
So, your argument was word salad of anything can happen, while I technically pointed out what didn’t happened and what needed to happen. After all that, your impression is that I am the one that didn’t wrestle? LMFAO. At least I get a good laugh.

Your premise is entirely flawed as he DID return him to the mat both times while still in bounds with room to finish. Please tell me how out of bounds caused him to be less closer to finishing than when he lifted both and exactly why the center would have brought him closer. As someone who believes they know so much more about me in wrestling, it should be easy for you to analyze those 2 situations and provide an in depth analysis. I eagerly await that knowledgeable response!
 

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I agree with most of what you said, MSU. (Then I slapped myself after reading your 10 additional posts all saying the same thing.)

Iowa had a relatively good weekend--"relatively good" defined as 4th place in the B1Gs and looking at probable 6th at NCAAs. Which could also be termed "relatively horrid" from an historical perspective. Two things can be true at the same time.

We finished a whopping 97 points behind Penn State, 61.5 behind Ohio State, and 29.5 behind Nebraska. Half a point ahead of Michigan.

We had one finalist--vs. 8 for Penn State, 5 for Nebraska, 3 for Ohio State, and 2 for Minnesota. We tied with Michigan.

But, yes, relatively good compared to the season to date.

My opinion about the state of Iowa Wrestling and the need for a complete coaching shakeup has not changed. I am hoping for good individual performances at NCAAs, and I am hoping Beth is just playing her cards close to her chest while quietly understanding the need for change.

Kudos to our guys who performed to the best of their ability--wishing them good luck at NCAAs.
Am I not allowed to continue a conversation responding to those that replied?

Look, I have liked the Brands bros all the way back to when I met them over 30 years ago. Meanwhile, your blogs and posting here show a solid contrast to that opinion, no matter how you try to downplay it on here.

My obvious fondness allows me to see the best in them, where your disdain does the opposite. I am well aware that the actual truth is somewhere in the middle of our stances. Can you at least acknowledge that as well?
 

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Am I not allowed to continue a conversation responding to those that replied?

Look, I have liked the Brands bros all the way back to when I met them over 30 years ago. Meanwhile, your blogs and posting here show a solid contrast to that opinion, no matter how you try to downplay it on here.

My obvious fondness allows me to see the best in them, where your disdain does the opposite. I am well aware that the actual truth is somewhere in the middle of our stances. Can you at least acknowledge that as well?
Yes, you are allowed to do that.

Yes, I acknowledge that.

Peace :)
 

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Brands wanted Williams to wrestle when injured?

Interesting
You do realize that almost every guy wrestling at NCAA’s is doing it with some sort of injury, correct?

Hell, a ton of guys have wrestled with torn ligaments, labrum’s, etc.

The only question that would matter here is if he had the type of injury where wrestling could make it worse. The way it was worded they obviously didn’t think that was the case…
 

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149: Block-9th. I don’t know what to say here. The end of the Van Ness match is one of the few times I fully blame Brands. No matter his stance on the Brick, he should have known he needed to throw it. Still Block showed a ton of heart not mailing it in and winning the mini to qualify.
Agree with most everything you said, but am torn on both sides of the Block brick. It happens (See Bormet throwing the brick for Montanona vs Kennedy), but I don't think you should be able to throw the brick just for a lunger. I think there should be a point on the line if you throw it; if you lose the challenge, your opponent gains a point. Challenges are a great idea, but there's strategy behind them and I think that might solve some of the issues that's coming with them.
 

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Yes, you are allowed to do that.

Yes, I acknowledge that.

Peace :)
Just so you know, and it may not matter to you in the least, I do have a ton of respect for you. The way you followed your dream was a testament to your resolve.

We may not agree on certain things on this site, but I always respect your opinion, regardless of whether or not I agree…
 

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Voinovich went 0-2 scoring ZERO points. What he did in the mini bracket doesn’t count for team scoring. Arnold scored .5 points for a regular decision in the consis. So, basically you further confirmed you don’t understand scoring.

Again, my point wasn’t just having Williams there. Believing VHS, Williams said he was too hurt to wrestle, hence Brands saying Voinovich “had more fight” because Williams wasn’t willing to wrestle with the injury, knowing he loses the year no matter what if he doesn’t go.

Finally, if you actually learn how to read, that portion of my post was not a wish at some best case hypothetical scenario, it was actually a complete knock on the Brands not getting all 10 of his guys to B1G’s healthy enough to win…

"Finally, if you actually learn how to read,..."

--------All due respect (no dog in this fight), but might you be known as "eyesofhawk" in the football & basketball forums?
One of his goto terms for his numerous adversaries is "learn to read" (or some variation thereof.
 
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