They should not lose their 2 seed over this.
*****Iowa vs UCLA 🏆 Game Thread*****
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Based on our body of work for the entire season yes we are. Today was clearly **** and honestly embarrassing. I did not expect to win but to lose by 50 is just ridiculous. Especially in a 1-2 matchup.
So then who should take Iowa’s 2 seed?
Wouldn’t that be some shid. Get jumped by the team Iowa beat by double digits twice bc they had the luxury of getting sent home.
I see Texas routed South Carolina by 17 points. Obviously it's South Carolina that should take Iowa's 2 seed 
Well, let's see. Vandy lost in the SEC Tourney quarters, we beat Michigan yesterday. We seem to be running out of candidates here.
Does UCLA have no bench? I see Levin and Mallegni played against Dugalic and Kneepkens for the final 3 minutes. It's almost like the Illinois game...
I see a number of freak outs have crawled out of the woodwork for this one. Anyone that has watched all year had no belief we were winning this game. This is not a final 4 caliber team. But considering they started the season unranked they have had a really nice season thus far. Today we had one team playing about as bad as they can vs a much better, much more talented, much more experienced team playing about as good as they can. It's a nightmare matchup for our strengths. My only concern is Jan being able to try and win games when she can't use her preferred method of attack. She probably doesn't have the personnel right now to pull off more of a back court focus of attack. The final 4 years we had possibly the best guard/player in NCAAW history , we had a pro level backcourt player in Martin and vet experience with Sydney, Gabbie and Warnock. I can't say that any guards we have now are better than any of those players. No Iowa is not an NCAA title contender, that is how it typically has been and even the very best teams they had still didn't win it.
As FRESHMAN. Good Lord dude. Go back and look at Kates stats in 2019 or whenever.
Iowa will be “young” next year too. This year before TM injury 3 of their top 7 players were seniors. 2 seniors started today.
Next year (portal notwithstanding) their top 7 players will be a Frosh, 3 sophomores, and 3 juniors.
Next year (portal notwithstanding) their top 7 players will be a Frosh, 3 sophomores, and 3 juniors.
Maybe learn to spell before calling others idiots. It’s a bad look.
Yep. UCLA's roster has 6 graduating future pros. They graduate 4 WNBA first round and 2 likely WNBA second round draft picks aged 22, 23, 22, 22, 24, and 24.
Then their next three off the bench are two McDonald's All Americans in Sienna Betts and Amanda Muse and a young Croatian FIBA superstar in Lena Bilic.
Megan Grant had to rejoin the softball team. They only have one other player Karamouzi, a freshman top recruit out of Sweden.
They can't even have five on the floor without at least one 22+ year old draftee and 2 McDonald's All Americans.
maybe we got rocked because we were practicing in a hotel room
Iowa was only down by 30 some points when the subs were put in.
Remember three years ago Iowa led Ohio State by about 30 points after the first quarter.
Remember three years ago Iowa led Ohio State by about 30 points after the first quarter.
Each of us are certainly entitled to our opinion about our Hawkeyes and their season. My humble opinion is listed below
#1–I believe many of us have unrealistic expectations of this years team. It sounds like many will be disappointed if this team doesn’t win the national tournament or at least make the final four considering the season a failure. When we think about preseason expectations of those who have a reputation of knowing much more about college basketball than us didn’t even have them in the top 5 of the big ten. It makes me believe we have over achieved and had a great season. I celebrate this team.
2–It is obvious to all that we played very poorly today. I’ve been around sports for a whole lot of years and know that happens to all teams to degrees. While I was disappointed in today’s game I’m ready to move on and think about our next game. I still believe. Let’s win the next thing!
3–I think we need to take a deep breath and relax when it comes to tearing apart our players and coaches. For example: one day Taylor S is the next Sid A and the next probably can’t make a South Carolina, LSU, etc roster. Some can hardly wait for Kylie F to be gone and out of the lineup but I’m pretty sure next season will be complaining that we need an all league defender like Kylie F. Supporting Jan as Big 10 COY when things are going great and then wanting her fired when we play poorly. Like she can be responsible for every poor decision our players make. I think players need to take responsibility for their own decisions
I can go on and on but few will be interested as they have made their own opinions. That’s ok.
I have two thoughts on teams I can support and pull for regardless how many games they win or how far they move on in playoffs.
#1–They exhibit toughness
#2–They are connected
That is Hawkeye basketball and I’m with them regardless
#1–I believe many of us have unrealistic expectations of this years team. It sounds like many will be disappointed if this team doesn’t win the national tournament or at least make the final four considering the season a failure. When we think about preseason expectations of those who have a reputation of knowing much more about college basketball than us didn’t even have them in the top 5 of the big ten. It makes me believe we have over achieved and had a great season. I celebrate this team.
2–It is obvious to all that we played very poorly today. I’ve been around sports for a whole lot of years and know that happens to all teams to degrees. While I was disappointed in today’s game I’m ready to move on and think about our next game. I still believe. Let’s win the next thing!
3–I think we need to take a deep breath and relax when it comes to tearing apart our players and coaches. For example: one day Taylor S is the next Sid A and the next probably can’t make a South Carolina, LSU, etc roster. Some can hardly wait for Kylie F to be gone and out of the lineup but I’m pretty sure next season will be complaining that we need an all league defender like Kylie F. Supporting Jan as Big 10 COY when things are going great and then wanting her fired when we play poorly. Like she can be responsible for every poor decision our players make. I think players need to take responsibility for their own decisions
I can go on and on but few will be interested as they have made their own opinions. That’s ok.
I have two thoughts on teams I can support and pull for regardless how many games they win or how far they move on in playoffs.
#1–They exhibit toughness
#2–They are connected
That is Hawkeye basketball and I’m with them regardless
It is funny seeing some of the comments from casuals, how everything revolves around the elite teams and this "if you ain't first you're dog water" as the Gen Z/Gen A kids would say, mentality.
I've seen comments about how several of our players wouldn't start on any other B10 rosters, and how Iowa was always mediocre, like we should just ignore every other team in college basketball and only compare them to the 1 seeds of women's college basketball..............Or how our offense has been terrible all year like we hadn't been averaging nearly 80 ppg entering the BTT.
I've watched a lot of video of Addie. She is a long range bomber who can fill it up. Yesterday, she had the green light to let it fly. With Stremlow, Chit Chat and her returning our perimeter game should continue to improve. That should open the inside game even nore.
No way, proving you are the #2 team in the conference is important. As Jan said, we are younger than older. UCLA was a big, athletic, broad shouldered team that was extremely physical. Teams with that size are a problem for eveybody.
I don’t think Wright and TS are nearly a good enough backcourt to compete with the elite teams. They would be backups and vital role players on the Texas and UCLa and UConns of the world. For Iowa to elevate they have to get bigger and better in the backcourt.
Iowacity, you maybe totally correct. I love Chit Chat and Taylor. I’m all in to see how far we can get with the guards we have. I’m enjoying the team and season. I‘m a happy guy.
So, you can say that, but Stremlow and CCW, along with Kylie outplayed one of the top backcourts in the country with 2 first team all Big Ten players in Michigan not once but twice. That tells me that they are way better than you are willing to give them credit for. They will both get better over the next 2 years along with Addie who has struggled this year as a freshman but should be much better and much more consistent next year.
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Good get.
I'm betting those were, however, bottom-feeder Iowa teams. If so, yesterday's ash kicking is, in a way, still worse. Ugh.
CCW yesterday 4-16 and 0-7 Season 43.6% and 45.2%
TS yesterday 2-8 and 2-5 Season 50.5 and 40.4
Maybe we all ought to be giving the UCLA players a ton of credit. Their guards are not necessarily tall, but they are big and they are athletic and they can shoot and they are seniors with experience. Chit Chat and Taylor will be better in the next two years as will all of our players.
TS yesterday 2-8 and 2-5 Season 50.5 and 40.4
Maybe we all ought to be giving the UCLA players a ton of credit. Their guards are not necessarily tall, but they are big and they are athletic and they can shoot and they are seniors with experience. Chit Chat and Taylor will be better in the next two years as will all of our players.
The top 3-4 teams? So you want and expect Jan to go get 1st team all big ten players to take their place? We are 2 seed for goodness sakes. That makes you a top 8 team in the entire country. Sure, it would be nice to be UConn and have 5 stars at every position. Or have 6-7 Lauren Betts who can dominate a game and build around her with shooters. We tried. It’s just not easy. And for the record both our guards are really solid players.
Michigan is better on the wing.
you can’t honestly think Wright and TS will be good enough to elevate Iowa. They will be juniors next year but have inherent limitations that experience won’t fix. There’s a reason JJ tried to recruit highly ranked guards. Just missed on them.,
Assuming McKenna is good enough to start at the 4 a starting lineup of CC, TS,Addie, McKenna, and Ava will be really good. And with UCLA graduating everyone,, I’d expect Iowa and Michigan to be right there but USC will replace UCLa as the beast next year with JuJus return. Journey and Layla off the bench.
But Iowa has no other guards which is a huge problem. Gonna need to get at least 2 in the portal.
But Iowa has no other guards which is a huge problem. Gonna need to get at least 2 in the portal.
I think a second place Big10 finish along with a 2 seed in the tournament with 85% of the scoring coming from freshman and sophomores proves they are and will be good enough to compete for and win a Big10 championship for the next 2 years. Addie hasn't been great, but she came in as a 5 star recruit and will hopefully be a much stronger contributor next year.
Just a reminder a year ago in CHA with the game tied and 3 seconds left, the UCLA player stuck out her knee and knocked (Olsen?) down and Lucy was called for the foul and the UCLA player made 2 FTs to win. If they call the illegal pick, Iowa gets 2 FTs and a different outcome. In the tournament the year before, Gabby got the correct call against UCONN and Iowa won.
Of course. But you’re making a straw man argument. I’m not arguing about Iowas core as competing for a b10 title. USC will have more talent and athleticism (a lot more) but Iowa should look pretty good. Need to adjust for HS departure.
But they simply won’t be athletic or talented wnough in the backcourt.
Looking at recruiting and returning players, USC, UCONn, LsU, South Carolina, and Texas will be elite next year. And much longer and athletic.
It's obvious in the women's game that there are four or five really elite teams and after that a tremendous drop-off. Iowa could play the UCLA's and UCON's of the world ten consecutive games and the results would be the same every time with margins of victory in the 20-30 point range. That's simply the disparity in talent, period.
You’re right. And I think JJ realizes that. She’s swinging for big fish but not getting enough of them yet. And she has to recruit more length and athleticism.
We'll agree to disagree. They've won a lot of battles this year. I like the young players that Iowa has on the perimeter and they will only continue to get better. It would also be great if Jan could pick up a high quality transfer to add to the rotation because it gets really thin after those 3.