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Ferrari/Welsh non stall calls and singlet grabs

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maxpain

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If Ferrari was the PSU guy and Welsh was the Iowa guy how many stall calls happen in that match? I guarantee at minimum there would be 2 stall points against Iowa. The two times Angelo had a leg in the air and Welsh defended out of bounds.

Then the time when welsh was riding and elevated the leg for 15 seconds without doing anything then drove him out of bounds to get a restart. Thats usually an automatic stall call…

So frustrating. He didn’t do a damn thing all match and gets rewarded. Not to mention the obvious singlet grab in ride outs.
 
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Anon1751369530

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20 minutes and no takedowns. Plenty of other highly ranked matches are the same these days with how reaction time is called and it’s not entertaining.

I have been against going to freestyle, but would favor it with modified rules for instance sudden victory vs criteria.
 
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GLC1969 said:
WOW Angelo was so aggressiveJFC. No take downs either way for 10 min DQ them both
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Angelo had him in the air twice and in on at least 1-2 other shots on a very strong defensive wrestler. 1st match neither came close to a takedown. I had a bad feeling coming into the match with how gasses he was after the first match, but pleasantly surprised how much more aggressive he was than in the first match. Even though Rocco and Vaness won, I was really unimpressed with how. When Angelo had him up in the air twice he should have just power slammed him into the mat line Lillidaul did, would have taken him down, but he would have been called for slams and DQed.
 
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I missed that match. I don’t know how those were missed by both the refs and the Iowa coaches. Each one of those is a technical violation and automatically one point. Additionally, unless I’m mistaken, if the offense is performed by a defending wrestler to prevent a NF, TD, etc. those points are supposed to be awarded as well.
 
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HawkDay1 said:
Also had another grab in OT
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I’m embarrassed I missed those singlet pulls just watching on TV, but I’m a fan not an “unbiased” ref standing right there on the mat supposedly looking for infractions like this, two of them so they don’t miss these things. I’m surprised Brands didn’t notice, he usually good at noticing these things, must of had a terrible view. Can’t believe there’s missed more than one obvious singlet pulls. They didn’t miss them, they just ignored them. PSU will get away with anything in this tournament at home. Refs love PSU and are intimidated by the crowd. Van ness didn’t do **** that match, Rider gets stalled out. Those first two quick back to back stalls set up the ending, and should never been called. He was on his feet, forehead to forehead, fully engaged when that ref called the 2 quick stalls. I do blame Block for not being more aware what they were doing to him, and just circle all the way back in. I guess it doesn’t matter, if VanNess took a few weak shots in the center, and Block just sprawled, they would have still called stalling. Only way he wins is the take VanNess down multiple times, but we know he can’t dominate VanNess that way.
 
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I'll be honest. Not a huge fan of either guy. What I saw real time was was 2 obvious singlet grabs. Clearly there was a 3rd, but I'm just talking what I specifically saw watching live. I thought it was 2 guys with really good defense. I'm ok with the way they called stalling, except for the very end. The call on Rocco wasn't really anything different than they were doing all match that didnt get called. The lack of a call backing straight up the last 6 seconds was blatant, and a terrible no call. Not a knock on Angelo, but we all love good hard wrestling. Whining and taking forever to get back to center is a look I absolutely hate. At least pull a JB and mess with your socks or something.
 
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Mr. PeanutButter

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CHILLER said:
How hard is it to watch the match ? Ferrari wasted half of it one one knee. Welsh shouldn't be penalized for Ferrari game plan. He lost 2x the exact same way. Gonna be 3x if he does stand up and actually wrestle. His bull crap strategy doesn't work on Welsh.
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Get your head out of your ***. Angelo did not spend half the match on his knee. He got in on 4 shots, including 2 very deep ones were he lifted Rocco straight up into the air.

What did Rocco do? He had one nice deep shot in the third but besides that he blatantly stalled on top in the 2nd period and straight up cheated with at least 3 singlet pulls, including once in tie breakers that prevented Angelo's escape.
 
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cwobrien11 said:
I missed that match. I don’t know how those were missed by both the refs and the Iowa coaches. Each one of those is a technical violation and automatically one point. Additionally, unless I’m mistaken, if the offense is performed by a defending wrestler to prevent a NF, TD, etc. those points are supposed to be awarded as well.
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The grab has to be related to not letting someone escape or using a grab to take someone down. If you actually watch the match it's not like rocco grabbed and hung on he let go immediately this shot happens a lot it's wresting lol. Using still shots to prove a point in wrestling is not credible at all
 
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CHILLER

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Mr. PeanutButter said:
Get your head out of your ***. Angelo did not spend half the match on his knee. He got in on 4 shots, including 2 very deep ones were he lifted Rocco straight up into the air.

What did Rocco do? He had one nice deep shot in the third but besides that he blatantly stalled on top in the 2nd period and straight up cheated with at least 3 singlet pulls, including once in tie breakers that prevented Angelo's escape.
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Yea you called it. That's exactly why he lost 2x the exact same way. Was it the same ref both times ? Nope. You should be the ref the 3rd time and give it to him peanutbutter boy.
 
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District 4 said:
The grab has to be related to not letting someone escape or using a grab to take someone down. If you actually watch the match it's not like rocco grabbed and hung on he let go immediately this shot happens a lot it's wresting lol. Using still shots to prove a point in wrestling is not credible at all
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That’s not how the rule reads FWIW. It’s a TV like locked hands. Intent doesn’t really come into play. I wasn’t looking at still frames FWIW. There’s video available for them on x. It’s 50/50 on whether one prevented an escape, but it’s 100% that one of the Ferrari’s takedown attempts was prevented because Welsh grabbed onto the singlet. Not even really debatable. Ferrari had him elevated and was trying to dump when Welsh grabbed a handful of singlet to prevent him from elevating further for the tip.

Normally I don’t like to ***** about refs but this one was obvious and was an automatic point. When a match goes to SV and there’s a penalty point not called that also prevented a takedown…that’s a big miss.
 
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Jimmy Cinnabon said:
Why didn’t the Brands challenge any of these obvious calls? Borders on coaching malpractice!
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Mr. PeanutButter

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District 4 said:
The grab has to be related to not letting someone escape or using a grab to take someone down. If you actually watch the match it's not like rocco grabbed and hung on he let go immediately this shot happens a lot it's wresting lol. Using still shots to prove a point in wrestling is not credible at all
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Yeah it's totally an accident that Rocco's entire hand grabbed hold of Angelo's singlet 5 times in a single match
 
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Mr. PeanutButter

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Yea you called it. That's exactly why he lost 2x the exact same way. Was it the same ref both times ? Nope. You should be the ref the 3rd time and give it to him peanutbutter boy.
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Angelo should be more offensive. We'll agree there.

He lost this match on 4 seconds of riding time in tie breakers. Rocco gained that advantage in part because he hung onto Angelo's singlet to prevent the escape. He pulled Angelo's singlet earlier in the match while defending a takedown. Does Rocco win the match in tie breakers even without the singlet pull? Perhaps. But those singlet pulls should have been called.

Water under the bridge. I just hope the coaches and refs pay real close attention to the cheater next time. Hopefully McFlurry wipes the mat with him tomorrow
 
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CHILLER

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Mr. PeanutButter said:
Angelo should be more offensive. We'll agree there.

He lost this match on 4 seconds of riding time in tie breakers. Rocco gained that advantage in part because he hung onto Angelo's singlet to prevent the escape. He pulled Angelo's singlet earlier in the match while defending a takedown. Does Rocco win the match in tie breakers even without the singlet pull? Perhaps. But those singlet pulls should have been called.

Water under the bridge. I just hope the coaches and refs pay real close attention to the cheater next time. Hopefully McFlurry wipes the mat with him tomorrow
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Your a broken record. No matter how many times you repeat yourself he lost 2x the same way. Going to be 3x soon. He should be called for stalling evert time he takes a time out on a knee to rest a relax. It's a rest break. He should be called for it. Might as well give Rocco a peanut butter sandwich to eat while Ferrari is stalling. Your crying is bull peanut butter. He lost looser.
 
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CHILLER said:
Your a broken record. No matter how many times you repeat yourself he lost 2x the same way. Going to be 3x soon. He should be called for stalling evert time he takes a time out on a knee to rest a relax. It's a rest break. He should be called for it. Might as well give Rocco a peanut butter sandwich to eat while Ferrari is stalling. Your crying is bull peanut butter. He lost looser.
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Is Bouzakis stalling right now on his knee? Is it stalling when Drake does it?
 
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CHILLER

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Mr. PeanutButter said:
Angelo should be more offensive. We'll agree there.

He lost this match on 4 seconds of riding time in tie breakers. Rocco gained that advantage in part because he hung onto Angelo's singlet to prevent the escape. He pulled Angelo's singlet earlier in the match while defending a takedown. Does Rocco win the match in tie breakers even without the singlet pull? Perhaps. But those singlet pulls should have been called.

Water under the bridge. I just hope the coaches and refs pay real close attention to the cheater next time. Hopefully McFlurry wipes the mat with him tomorrow
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Drakes wrestling on a knee worked out the exact same way Ferrari did. It's called wresting not relaxing peanut butter boy.
 
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redghost1974

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CHILLER said:
Drakes wrestling on a knee worked out the exact same way Ferrari did. It's called wresting not relaxing peanut butter boy.
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There have been plenty of times Drake/Angelo went 3pt stance and backed up. That I have no problem with hitting for stalling. Today they held position on the mat when they did. I'd like to see them use that for low singles. Welsh did jack squat.
 
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Mr. PeanutButter said:
Get your head out of your ***. Angelo did not spend half the match on his knee. He got in on 4 shots, including 2 very deep ones were he lifted Rocco straight up into the air.

What did Rocco do? He had one nice deep shot in the third but besides that he blatantly stalled on top in the 2nd period and straight up cheated with at least 3 singlet pulls, including once in tie breakers that prevented Angelo's escape.
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What did Rocco do? Are you asking besides chasing Ferrari? Even if I hadn't watched the match I would know how Ferrari got in on shots. Ferrari only comes forward on a knee, he is always retreating looking to shoot as his opponent steps forward into a shot. If Rocco doesn't chase Ferrari then Ferrari would have never been able to reach Rocco's legs from way over there.
 
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Nitlion1986 said:
What did Rocco do? Are you asking besides chasing Ferrari? Even if I hadn't watched the match I would know how Ferrari got in on shots. Ferrari only comes forward on a knee, he is always retreating looking to shoot as his opponent steps forward into a shot. If Rocco doesn't chase Ferrari then Ferrari would have never been able to reach Rocco's legs from way over there.
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Chasing Ferrari?! You can't be serious 😂
 
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