*****Michigan vs Iowa BTT Game Thread*****

QChawks

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The Hawkeyes and wolverines meet in the semifinals with the winner heading to the big ten championship.

The Hawkeyes looked fantastic against Michigan in Carver, holding them to only 44 points. I expect a much closer game this afternoon.

I like the hawks 73-66
 
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Franisdaman

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I know some were freaking out about the ending of yesterday's win over Illinois, but IOWA was never in danger of losing that game.

Why I say that:

Skip ahead to the 1:09:45 mark of the video below and watch the last 6:15 of the game.

Iowa was up 60-38 after Hannah hit a mid range jumper (Illinois would then outscore Iowa 20-4 the rest of the way).

Iowa was still up by 21 points (64-43) with 3:53 to go (Illinois would outscore IOWA 15-0 the rest of the way). Illinois called time out at this point.

--> Stremlow, Chit Chat & Hannah subbed out.

--> Addie, Layla & Callie Levin subbed in (Journey & Kylie were the other 2 on the court).

--> At the 3:13 mark, Teagan subbed in for Kylie (after she committed a turnover) with Iowa up by 19 pts (64-45).




 
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Jonesy5960

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I know some were freaking out about the ending of yesterday's win over Illinois, but IOWA was never in danger of losing that game.

Why I say that:

Skip ahead to the 1:09:45 mark of the video below and watch the last 6:15 of the game.

Iowa was up 60-38 after Hannah hit a mid range jumper (Illinois would then outscore Iowa 20-4 the rest of the way).

Iowa was still up by 21 points (64-43) with 3:53 to go (Illinois would outscore IOWA 15-0 the rest of the way). Illinois called time out at this point.

--> Stremlow, Chit Chat & Hannah subbed out.

--> Addie, Layla & Callie Levin subbed in (Journey & Kylie were the other 2 on the court).

--> At the 3:13 mark, Teagan subbed in for Kylie (after she committed a turnover) with Iowa up by 19 pts (64-45).





I'm a Jan fan. She made a mistake there. The Maryland game was almost the same situation, up by 17 with under 4 minutes left, and yet she sat all the starters with around 4 minutes left here and a 19 point lead. It didn't cost them the game, but she needed to reinsert the starters when it became clear that that lineup was overwhelmed.
 

Franisdaman

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I'm a Jan fan. She made a mistake there. The Maryland game....

The Maryland game was 43 days ago. Different game, different situation, and the Iowa players are 43 days better. Jan never had to re-insert her starters last night; she had Abby Stamp running the huddle.

Since you think Jan made a mistake in last night's game by inserting the subs, at what point last night did you think IOWA was going to lose the game?
 

DougHawk

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Leaving your starters in after Iowa pulled theirs is more disrespectful. Iowa has potentially 2 more games to play and don't need to risk injury and could rest players to make Illinois' coach feel better.
Did you see the Illinois coach talk after the game and go on about how proud she was for them to close the margin and what fighters they were?
Not once did they recognize that Iowa pulled it's starters at 4 minutes and played every available player on the bench. Green is classless in my opinion.
 

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I still don't know why Illinois didn't foul after cutting it to six. I've seen a few game where 10 seconds is enough time to close that gap. Taking your team off the floor with 4 minutes to play is borderline disrespectful to an opposing team. Finish the game.
Disrespectful? No. I had no problem taking them out at that time being up that much. But maybe she should have put them back in when they cut it to 10-12.
 
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Jonesy5960

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The Maryland game was 43 days ago. Different game, different situation, and the Iowa players are 43 days better. Jan never had to re-insert her starters last night; she had Abby Stamp running the huddle.

Since you think Jan made a mistake in last night's game by inserting the subs, at what point last night did you think IOWA was going to lose the game?
The players she had on the court last night can't hold a candle compared to the players at the end of that Maryland game and yet they lost the lead. Did anyone think that the Maryland game was going to overtime at the 4 minute mark? Those players from.43 days ago learned from that game and would have likely maintained or extended the lead allowing for the reserves to come in with a minute or two left with a 20 point advantage. This group imploded with too much time left and yeah, it got pretty freaking dicey at the end there.
 
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AFM22

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The Maryland game was 43 days ago. Different game, different situation, and the Iowa players are 43 days better. Jan never had to re-insert her starters last night; she had Abby Stamp running the huddle.

Since you think Jan made a mistake in last night's game by inserting the subs, at what point last night did you think IOWA was going to lose the game?
Exactly. They were never going to lose.
 

AFM22

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Leaving your starters in after Iowa pulled theirs is more disrespectful. Iowa has potentially 2 more games to play and don't need to risk injury and could rest players to make Illinois' coach feel better.
Did you see the Illinois coach talk after the game and go on about how proud she was for them to close the margin and what fighters they were?
Not once did they recognize that Iowa pulled its starters at 4 minutes and played every available player on the bench. Green is classless in my opinion.
I’m indifferent about that. Her goal is to help her team win games. The point of the conference tournament is to win it. They didn’t play dirty in the end, they played hard against our subs.
 

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Leaving your starters in after Iowa pulled theirs is more disrespectful. Iowa has potentially 2 more games to play and don't need to risk injury and could rest players to make Illinois' coach feel better.
Did you see the Illinois coach talk after the game and go on about how proud she was for them to close the margin and what fighters they were?
Not once did they recognize that Iowa pulled it's starters at 4 minutes and played every available player on the bench. Green is classless in my opinion.
This is exactly correct, when the winning coach pulls her starters to avoid embarrassing the other team, in olden days the losing coach would do the same. It was a sign of mutual respect. I understand that posters here are only looking at the final score, but this game was over and Iowa coach looks better than Illinois coach afterwards.

For you who worry about it, the game announcers in the Michigan and Oregon game had no trouble saying Iowa handled Illinois easily.
 

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I know some were freaking out about the ending of yesterday's win over Illinois, but IOWA was never in danger of losing that game.

Why I say that:

Skip ahead to the 1:09:45 mark of the video below and watch the last 6:15 of the game.

Iowa was up 60-38 after Hannah hit a mid range jumper (Illinois would then outscore Iowa 20-4 the rest of the way).

Iowa was still up by 21 points (64-43) with 3:53 to go (Illinois would outscore IOWA 15-0 the rest of the way). Illinois called time out at this point.

--> Stremlow, Chit Chat & Hannah subbed out.

--> Addie, Layla & Callie Levin subbed in (Journey & Kylie were the other 2 on the court).

--> At the 3:13 mark, Teagan subbed in for Kylie (after she committed a turnover) with Iowa up by 19 pts (64-45).





How is it possible the reserves are THAT bad, though? Geesh. Scary thought.

It’s like they were subbed in and proceeded to just stand there because they forgot what the sport of basketball is…
 
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The Maryland game was 43 days ago. Different game, different situation, and the Iowa players are 43 days better. Jan never had to re-insert her starters last night; she had Abby Stamp running the huddle.

Since you think Jan made a mistake in last night's game by inserting the subs, at what point last night did you think IOWA was going to lose the game?
The mistake wasn't inserting the subs, the mistake was asking another team to quit with 4 minutes yet to play.

Listen, I have defended Jensen on nearly everything throughout the season. We have all seen a 17 pt. lead disappear in 3 minutes. It happens, it can happen. It was a mistake last night. Learning experience for everyone, coach included. With a 30 pt. lead? Sure. 2 minutes to play? Okay. Nearly half a quarter with 17? Better get a bucket.
 

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Taking your team off the floor with 4 minutes to play is borderline disrespectful to an opposing team. Finish the game.
Substituting starters who have produced a 23 point lead with just under 4 minutes remaining is indeed disrespectful to the opponent. Removing the starters is so disrespectful. lol JFC you can’t make this schit up.

Instead, Jan should NOT have substituted up 20+ under 4; she should have run up the lead to 30 right up to the final minute.

Also, make sure there are a few hard fouls just so they know that they are still competing to win and not otherwise disrespecting them in any way.
 

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Leaving your starters in after Iowa pulled theirs is more disrespectful. Iowa has potentially 2 more games to play and don't need to risk injury and could rest players to make Illinois' coach feel better.
Did you see the Illinois coach talk after the game and go on about how proud she was for them to close the margin and what fighters they were?
Not once did they recognize that Iowa pulled it's starters at 4 minutes and played every available player on the bench. Green is classless in my opinion.
“Resting” your players by saving them from that 3 or 4 minutes on the floor? Lol. Give me a break.
 

AFM22

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Substituting starters who have produced a 23 point lead with just under 4 minutes remaining is indeed disrespectful to the opponent. Removing the starters is so disrespectful. lol JFC you can’t make this schit up.

Instead, Jan should NOT have substituted up 20+ under 4; she should have run up the lead to 30 right up to the final minute. Also, make sure there are a few hard fouls just so they know that they are still competing to win and not otherwise disrespecting them in any way.
don’t forget to shoot a buzzer beater 3 while the other team is waiting for the clock to run out, just to drive home the point.
 

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IMO, Jan’s decision to sub was correct. The players in the game need to make plays. We were
0-3 shooting with 4 Turnovers in the last 3:53. Not acceptable at any level. Illinois got hot, like they did in the first meeting, which made the final score scarier than it really was. Too many fans seem to absolve players and blame coaches. Let me know the next time a coach makes a bucket or has a turnover.
 

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Leaving your starters in after Iowa pulled theirs is more disrespectful. Iowa has potentially 2 more games to play and don't need to risk injury and could rest players to make Illinois' coach feel better.
Did you see the Illinois coach talk after the game and go on about how proud she was for them to close the margin and what fighters they were?
Not once did they recognize that Iowa pulled it's starters at 4 minutes and played every available player on the bench. Green is classless in my opinion.
Coach Green may have had money on the game. Let's give her the benefit of the doubt.
 
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“Resting” your players by saving them from that 3 or 4 minutes on the floor? Lol. Give me a break.
Game was won. Why risk an injury with a lot of games left to play. Hannah is already banged up from a collision with an Illinois player. Wasn’t on purpose but that stuff can happen. No reason to put your starters at risk. Subs should have been able to close it out. Illinois‘ quickness, hot shooting, and desperation at the end made it closer than it really was
 

Franisdaman

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Jan needed to reinsert the starters when it became clear that that lineup was overwhelmed.

By the way, this is a false statement. In last night's game, Jan stuck with the 5 subs for the final 3:53 of the game; she didn't panic & she did not reinsert any starter.

And when it came to the Maryland game, the blown lead in the 4th quarter was due to IOWA turnovers & Maryland shooting lights out. And Jan only played 4 players off the bench in the Maryland game, and they all are part of the normal rotation.

Maryland game:

Minutes off the Bench:
.....2: Layla
13: Journey
14: Addie
12: Taylor Stremlow

Starter Minutes:
43: Hannah
32: Ava
43: Chit Chat
31: Taylor McCabe
35: Kylie

 
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Franisdaman

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The players she had on the court last night can't hold a candle compared to the players at the end of that Maryland game and yet they lost the lead. Did anyone think that the Maryland game was going to overtime at the 4 minute mark? Those players from.43 days ago learned from that game and would have likely maintained or extended the lead allowing for the reserves to come in with a minute or two left with a 20 point advantage. This group imploded with too much time left and yeah, it got pretty freaking dicey at the end there.

It's a shame you are not coaching the team. ;)
 
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Franisdaman

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IMO, Jan’s decision to sub was correct. The players in the game need to make plays. We were
0-3 shooting with 4 Turnovers in the last 3:53. Not acceptable at any level. Illinois got hot, like they did in the first meeting, which made the final score scarier than it really was. Too many fans seem to absolve players and blame coaches. Let me know the next time a coach makes a bucket or has a turnover.

Iowa was up by 21 points (64-43) with 3:53 to go when Illinois called time out; at that point Stremlow, Chit Chat & Hannah subbed out. Ava was already out of the game. 40 seconds later the final starter (Kylie) subbed out.

If one of these starters got hurt/injured in the last 3:53, people would then say "why was Jan playing them?"

Head coaches are always wrong. :)
 

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Iowa was up by 21 points (64-43) with 3:53 to go when Illinois called time out; at that point Stremlow, Chit Chat & Hannah subbed out. Ava was already out of the game. 40 seconds later the final starter (Kylie) subbed out.

If one of these starters got hurt/injured in the last 3:53, people would then say "why was Jan playing them?"

Head coaches are always wrong. :)
Even when they win they lose
 

Franisdaman

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By the way, the loser of this game will likely still be a #2 seed in the NCAA Tournament.

However, the loser might end up in South Carolina's region instead of Texas' region.

Thoughts? :)

Here's the current ESPN Projected Bracket:

 

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Even when they win they lose
The biggest problem with the subs wasn’t the actual subbing. Good to rest players. It was that Iowa had no guard on the court for late few mins. Addie is more of a wing player but did a good job of bringing the ball up the court against pressure. She’s just not gonna initiate offense in the half court. But they have no guard depth at all with TM out.
 

AFM22

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By the way, the loser of this game will likely still be a #2 seed in the NCAA Tournament.

However, the loser might end up in South Carolina's region instead of Texas' region.

Thoughts? :)

Here's the current ESPN Projected Bracket:

Don’t think it really matters who’s region we’re in, the #1 seed is going to be a tough team
 

Franisdaman

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Don’t think it really matters who’s region we’re in, the #1 seed is going to be a tough team

I hope we win today; I would really like to see what progress we have made since this outcome:

 

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I know some were freaking out about the ending of yesterday's win over Illinois, but IOWA was never in danger of losing that game.

Why I say that:

Skip ahead to the 1:09:45 mark of the video below and watch the last 6:15 of the game.

Iowa was up 60-38 after Hannah hit a mid range jumper (Illinois would then outscore Iowa 20-4 the rest of the way).

Iowa was still up by 21 points (64-43) with 3:53 to go (Illinois would outscore IOWA 15-0 the rest of the way). Illinois called time out at this point.

--> Stremlow, Chit Chat & Hannah subbed out.

--> Addie, Layla & Callie Levin subbed in (Journey & Kylie were the other 2 on the court).

--> At the 3:13 mark, Teagan subbed in for Kylie (after she committed a turnover) with Iowa up by 19 pts (64-45).




 

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If they win today, great observation.
If they don't win today, crappy observation.