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Article: On Tom Brands' future, possible changes for Iowa wrestling | Leistikow
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Filled with guys who present far less drama as well... but getting Melvin had to make even Carl and DT give it some serious consideration.
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1. Yes. Especially if you know they are going to be changed and not enforced. Are you familiar with Dan Gable?
Or;
This is where a coach and athletic director release statement forcing UsaW’s hand. Supposedly OK state received the “okay” regarding Jax but wouldn’t answer the phone for Tom….
So then that begs the questions as to what occurred when Tom told Bassett no. Was there a rational discussion that involved options, knowing that what they asked for would be possible shortly.
Basset tells Tom he wants XYZ. Tom says no. Presumably thinks it violates rules. Basset goes some place else, gets what he wants and that location is not cited. Point being, the rules are no longer clear and coaches doing their own interpretation. Look at the tampering going on in football and no one is cited.
Dear God. You truly are a f*cking moran.
And apparently so am I for engaging in this conversation. Lesson learned.
Please feel free not to respond.
That's a wildly disingenuous take of this lol. It would have been the things that everyone was complaining about that would have been the reason he got fired. I don't think many, save a select few (that I'm not sure are Hawkeye fans), thought they would ever be the reason TnT are let go.
* As an absolute outsider, I feel like that attendance number and lessening fan engagement in a positive manner would indeed be the primary reason they would be let go,if they ever are.
It’s a good article. Most interesting thing to me is it says Goetz was involved in both the Bo Basset situation and the Endene situation and that Goetz was fully on board with both decisions.
Stating the obvious, if we didn’t have either of those issues then attitudes about Iowa wrestling would be a lot different.
Stating the obvious, if we didn’t have either of those issues then attitudes about Iowa wrestling would be a lot different.
This was them intentionally inserting the framework around changes have to be made, the 2014 KF references were warnings, questions about style of wrestling - which Tom failed to answer to satisfaction - and failures on recruiting and transfers. Add in the falling ticket numbers, if by July no changes have been made, and ticket numbers continue to fall, and there are viable options this setup reasoning for Beth to make that change.
And the AD backed the staff on both situations and she was involved. But all the people who have no clue about either situation are the ones who are right
.For the buyout money context, season ticket sales lagging is much more impactful than the buyout. They have dropped 3,000 season ticket holders since 2024. Even more if you go back to Spencer’s senior year.
Losing 4,000 season ticket holders over the last few years is killer. 4,000 x 250 = $1,000,000 per year
A new coach getting butts in the seats would be huge.
Losing 4,000 season ticket holders over the last few years is killer. 4,000 x 250 = $1,000,000 per year
A new coach getting butts in the seats would be huge.
Insightful. Most grown adults can at least articulate their thoughts. I gave you plenty to try to refute with but I guess you don’t have anything in that big ‘ol brain of yours.
The Bassett situation is a gift to Tom because it distracts from the far more important systemic development issues. Losing Bassett (and more importantly Melvin Miller) hurts the program obviously, but not as much as the flaws in the coaching have hurt to this point. Having Bassett committed would do nothing to change what we've seen this year.
I am not saying that all transfer portal guys have issues. I am saying the pool of transfers that are difference makers for a team like Iowa is already pretty shallow. Taking away the guys with issues makes it very shallow and that sometimes you may not have what you need in the portal. I think 133 is going to be like that this coming offseason. The overall talent is too high in the weight class those guys are going anywhere.
I must have missed that quote from the AD. Can you post it? Unnamed sources doesn't cut it. If the AD actually backed it she should say so. I'm guessing she at most would say we support the decisions of the head coach when it comes to roster management. That is a great way of saying nothing.And the AD backed the staff on both situations and she was involved. But all the people who have no clue about either situation are the ones who are right
I can promise you that other top programs made decisions that the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze when it comes to this family. Certainly not all programs thought that, and certainly there is little doubt as to the upside but I know for a fact a few top programs made the business decision not to be involved despite the talent.
He's right.
There's a reason Tom gets to keep his job. And it's because he's sold the right people (and person). For both the Bassett and Endene situations, Beth was made aware of them prior to the decision coming down. He can understand the fallout from both of those decisions. He made sure he had the blessing of his AD and it allows him and the athletic department to not feel responsible to answer to the general public.
Very long way of saying Tom is no dummy.
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Seem crazy that Tom and especially the AD had no clue this would be fine in a month. Did Bassett’s know, and just couldn’t wait one month. If so, they are fools. Didn’t they give up a **** load of money to go to V tech, and the NIL rules had changed to prevent these crazy pay outs like he was getting but he was grandfathered in. Decommitting ended him being able to get paid that kind of money anywhere. I think PSU and OSU, where he thought he would end up after decommitting withdrew their offer after seeing how they screwed Iowa, and are the only teams in the country so loaded with young talent that they didn’t need them. The only other team named after decommitting was Nebraska, and we knew they wouldn’t end up there. Could you imagine how optimistic we would be if we knew we were adding Bo, Melvin, and the Raney twins to our line up next fall.
Was actually over 2 months it was legal Sept 1 . So it was illegal all summer July and August. June 23 was the day he announced he's looking elsewhere
That may well be, but if the Bassett group was that sure fire then why didn't #1 and #2 recruit over whoever they have? This is something that they definitely will do when it suits them, right?
And what about the other 6 to 10 teams that would be pretty clearly over V. Tech?
No matter...time will tell and that's all any of us can be sure about now.
That is certainly one interpretation/theory ^^, but definitely not the only one. None of us really know for sure what happened, do we?
I think it is noteworthy that Iowa AD supported the decision. That still doesn't prove anything for sure.
We also don't know if what the Bassett's ultimately received from V. Tech was equal, greater or lesser than the Iowa "package". It could be any of those scenarios.
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Next year will be disastrous. Season tickets will decrease. Scanned tickets will decrease. It will be as pathetic as Fran's last year as basketball coach. One time in my life it would be nice to have a proactive AD at Iowa, that can actually see the writing on the wall. My guess is there are just enough donors who abhor change to force her to keep the dunces around for another year.
My simple point of contention is how did this blowup go down?
Did iowa and tom do everything they could to keep Bo? Were they able to convey what Bo wanted was possible but not yet or was it a simple “no,” and they didn’t want to deal with the family’s BS?
Did Bo de-commit because he was told no or was it how he was told no? With NIL, unfortunately a head coach has to put up with some diva like stuff.
I read nothing into Beth supporting his decision. He goes to her and says in order to keep Basset I have to bend/break rules and I’m going to follow what I think the rules are. Of course Beth is going to agree with him. She’s not going to put her job on the line for Tom.
And that's why universities have compliance offices because they know the rules and how to interpret them. Beth isn't gonna know the rule nor should she.
It would be impossible for her to know all of the rules for each of the sports - that's why she has "people." It's also why she has to have confidence that the coaches aren't breaking rules and are asking questions when guidance is needed.
The University of Iowa Athletic Department doesn't look at it the same way you do...
When it comes to break/bend the rules.
Ultimately that is who Tom has to answer to (and in some instances, get permission from)
If you are an AD, you know how tough it is to have teams consistently contending for titles or team trophies. What program at Iowa even comes close to having the results of the wrestling team? An AD is going to be darn sure before removing a guy with TnT's record. That being said, I would be a bit worried if I were one of the assistants.
You're the guy who rides the short bus, steals the younger kids lunch money and later on in the day has his tongue stuck to the flagpole.
Do those kids exist? Did they T8k UR lunch money yesterday at recess? I hope you were able to T8k them dwn and reclaim your $.
Sooooo......when is the NCAA going to punish Oklahoma St for breaking past rules that are no longer applicable?
I have to check myself into a hospital now... I agree with everything IH just said....
Tom is 110% full of crap. They absolutely do not have the right guys to be anywhere close to competitive for winning nationals. I don't see anything remotely close to what they have been doing making a difference. The injury excuse is no longer valid, it's the same every year so that is also a negative for his program. Given the recruiting problems I don't think he even knows what the right guys look like.
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I bet it’s not just ticket sales and butts in seats that have diminished. Probably a loss in viewership as well. Hawk events used to be a highlight of my week week but I’m no longer a regular viewer. And those I do watch are often recorded so I can fast forward through the boring parts (ie the first 6 minutes of the matches where no one scores a TD).
That might be one of the weakest replies I've ever seen.
Maybe I should cut you a little slack though, because you're definitely the captain of the short bus.