Kurds off the top rope, this could get interesting!
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Yep, Trump is gonna let the Kurds do the dirty work for us on the ground and finish this thing so we can get a new regime in place. Brilliant on his part to do this. They will be well supplied.
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The Kurds will probably get screwed over like they have numerous times by the US.
They’re an ally when it’s convenient and then we abandon them.
They’re an ally when it’s convenient and then we abandon them.
If the Iranians continue to just non discriminately bomb their neighbors the whole Middle East may get involved.
If it hasn’t happened, it’s going to happen. We’ll supply some other nation to go in and fight. We’ll send advisors with them. Then, we’ll send in ground troops to help control the situation on the ground and reinforce our advisors and allies. Then we’ll piss off the allies. Then, they’ll turn the weapons we gave them on us. Then, we’ll stomp the s#!+ out of them. The media will spin it. The anti-war movement will swell. We’ll withdraw troops. The other side will claim a victory. The veterans will know we won every major battle. History will only remember that we lost the war. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
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I wonder what the Turks think. Hell I don't care the Kurds has been kicked around forever.
I hate to agree but this has happened over and over and over again since Vietnam (maybe Korea). I expect the same here unfortunately.
Y’all need to do a little thinking on what might have happened had we not fought those wars. They served a purpose and were not in vain. Not every war ends in a highly visible unconditional surrender type total victory. In fact those wars are few and far between in history.
Trump is different than any other President before him. Trying to predict what Trump will do based on what other Presidents have done is asinine. I think the only US Boots you will see on the ground is the United States Marines guarding our new embassy.
I spent some time with the Peshmerga in 2005. Those dudes don't play around. We called them the ISIS hunters. Very competent and very brutal. Turkomans too.
Nobody is claiming otherwise. America wins wars. America’s warfighters destroy the opposition. Politicians and the media spin it as something else for their own reasons.
Technically AQI at the time but ultimately became ISIS. I was in Sammara, they blew up the al Askari Mosque in 2006 about 2 months after I left.
Yea... well. What is the mission objective? What goal do we need to achieve to win the war?
Vietnam was to stop the spread of communism. We failed that despite wiping the floor in battle. Almost like there's more to geopolitics than just brute force........
Ultimately I believe Trump's goal with the Iran attack is to destabilize the Middle East enough to where Israel controls politics + the focus is on that instead of the Epstein files long enough for the public to lose interest and give up on that debacle.
And I think so far he's on track to succeeding. So I think he will win the war.
What's America's goal (this is clearly separate from Trump's goal)? If we don't achieve that then we don't win no matter how many Iranians we kill.
What have been our objectives when entering Wars since WW2 ended and which objectives have we completed?
Example: Nam - stop Vietnam from getting communism. Objective: Failed. That's a lost war. That don't need no ****** media spin to call it an L. We won every battle and still lost the war. Communism spread.
Fill in any/all of the following, the picture is pretty clear:
Gulf War -
Afghanistan War -
Iraq War -
Iran War -
Philippines War -
Yemeni War -
Somali Civil War -
Syrian Civil War -
Invasion of Panama -
Angolan Civil War -
Contra War -
Battles =/= Wars. America does not lose military battles. Wars ain't about winning every battle though. Why are you fighting those battles?
Yeah, they didn't like it when we told them to release all their ISIS prisoners once we defeated ISIS. Those fighters slithered back into Syria and surely one day will reform their caliphate.
Not sure what the Kurds have in mind with Iran, other than maybe taking some of that land for themselves. They are formidable fighters and the women fighters scared ISIS more than anything. Apparently, if an ISIS fighter is killed by a woman combatant. they are denied their 72 virgins in heaven after death.
You need to look at the timeline for Vietnam before making that statement.
We always have to fight with mittens on. take off the gloves, and get the politicians out of the way, and that pitcher would be different.
Geneva Accords in 1954 - divide Vietnam along 17th parallel. North - communist. South - capitalist
Saigon falls in 1975 - Reunification and full communism spreads.
With all due respect, what in the ever loving **** are you talking about? We didn't complete the mission objective and in the end lost the war when we withdrew and stopped fighting battles.
If only that was all there was to winning wars Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan would be prosperous flourishing democracies.
Don't disagree that we do fight that way - but also that's just an excuse. My question is what has been our objective in a war and what have we accomplished. I even gave examples where we did in fact complete the mission objective and won.
No **** we'd overwhelm with brute force from nukes everyone else. But that's winning battles. We're talking about winning wars. Battle =/= War
I’m sure it will end with kittens and unicorns singing praises to their liberators.
You left out 1973 Paris Peace Accord ending the Vietnam war and all POW's released. 1973 the last US ground troops left Vietnam. In 1975 N Vietnam started a second war and invade the South. In 1976 the north and south unified. We did not lose the war. When we left S Vietnam was a free nation.
How many POWs did we have in 1954? You're not seriously saying we won the war by getting the people who weren't prisoners to no longer be POWs?
Look man - I know you're a vet - but come on. In no way am I here insulting your manhood nor am I even claiming the US lost a single battle in that war. I'm simply stating that our leadership had a clear mission objective when we enter and we failed to realize it. Ergo - we lost the war. It's a simple concept that someone like you takes as a personal offense when the people I'm disparaging are the leadership in America - not the vets. How vets were treated and still are is criminal. That's not this though. We failed to complete the mission objective and therefore lost the war. We were never going to win based on the rank and file's will - that was never in question and we dominate everyone when it comes to that measure. But that measure doesn't complete every mission objective.
You don't win a football game by having the most positive plays or gaining the most yards.
I talked to a friend that is in the Active Guard Reserve (Full time national guard). He told me that no one really know what is coming, but Trump was hoping this would go like the 12 day war and it hasn’t. He was told yesterday that it is looking like a 50% chance he will be going to the Middle East and Iran with the longer this goes the greater the odds rise. I asked him what he thinks? He said, unfortunately he thinks is going to the Middle East and Iran. Pray for those in the military because it may be a long few years. I hope not but looking like it.
When the United States left Vietnam, it was a free capitalist country standing on it own. It wasn't until two years later the South Fell in a second war. It has nothing to do with me being a Vet or the POW. That was part of the treaty. The timeline is the timeline. If you don't take timeline in anything, we didn't really win the Revolutionary war until 1812. Hell, the British came back. If you don't take timeline into account, we didn't win WWI until 1945. We saved France, Germany retreated but 22 years later they took France. If in 15 years Vietnam becomes a democracy, will you say we won the war, then?
So after 58,000 American deaths we didn't advance capitalism past the 17th parallel and within 2 years it all fell apart - so we didn't build lasting capitalism where we stood. What mission objective did we complete? If you're saying we didn't lose the Vietnam War because we held serve for 18 years - that's your best answer.
Anyway anyone reads that - it's an L. You're trying to get us off on a technicality but we were not successful. Again - how would you define America winning that war to look like?
That's unbelievably stupid if that's how this ends up. I was hoping they'd continue what I thought was a good move - just drone striking the hell out of them and keeping boots off the ground. Stop losing American lives for ******* oil. Just drone strike them like Obama and save American lives.
Trump got a big head and high from 12 Day War and venezuela. This is a completely different animal.
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