Wow those were brutal ways to drop a pair of one run games....

thekimmer

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HBP and a HR with two out in the 9th to blow the save then a ground rule double that would have scored the winning run followed by a clearly missed ball four that would have scored the winning run against UCLA.

Then not one but TWO runs scored on wild pitches after strike 3 (dumbest rule in sports) to lose to USM

Who pissed off the dead injuns?
 

HomeBoyDawg

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HBP and a HR with two out in the 9th to blow the save then a ground rule double that would have scored the winning run followed by a clearly missed ball four that would have scored the winning run against UCLA.

Then not one but TWO runs scored on wild pitches after strike 3 (dumbest rule in sports) to lose to USM

Who pissed off the dead injuns?
Agree totally with your assessment except, as a former catcher, I like the 3rd strike rule. I knew if the pitch called was likely to be in the dirt with the batter swinging, it was my job to block it up and, preferably, quickly touch the batter out. Those "high risk" pitches should come with, well, risks.
 
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GloryDawg

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We are going to lose games. At least they are not nobodies. Lemonis would have already drop several games along with those two. I feel pretty confident playing UCLA and Southern Miss in a three-game series we would win one or two. I bet we win when they come to Starkville. Playing four games on the road in five days is really hard and they went 2-2.
 
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You have to complete the action of making an out. You can’t drop a fly ball or a force out throw for an out. Why should you be able to drop strike three for an out.
 
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curseddawgs

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HBP and a HR with two out in the 9th to blow the save then a ground rule double that would have scored the winning run followed by a clearly missed ball four that would have scored the winning run against UCLA.

Then not one but TWO runs scored on wild pitches after strike 3 (dumbest rule in sports) to lose to USM

Who pissed off the dead injuns?
Quit crying about the umps. Ball 3 against Teel was a strike and we had 2 passed balls and a misplayed pop up that directly led to 2 runs. Also if our offense shows up for the first 5 innings we win last night
 

thekimmer

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You have to complete the action of making an out. You can’t drop a fly ball or a force out throw for an out. Why should you be able to drop strike three for an out.
Agree to disagree but the a fly ball is struck by the batter and a catch has to be made of that batted ball. A pitch that the batter never touched does not complete anything. If so then it should be the case with every swing and miss.
 

ronpolk

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Agree to disagree but the a fly ball is struck by the batter and a catch has to be made of that batted ball. A pitch that the batter never touched does not complete anything. If so then it should be the case with every swing and miss.
Well strike 1 and 2 aren’t completing the out if the catcher makes the catch. I’ve never understood why some say this is such a dumb rule. You should have to complete the out.
 

onewoof

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On the other hand. We've played 2 top teams. Haven't played particularly well at all. And were still a bit unlucky to lose both games.
and in both cases, it was clear who was the better team
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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Agree totally with your assessment except, as a former catcher, I like the 3rd strike rule. I knew if the pitch called was likely to be in the dirt with the batter swinging, it was my job to block it up and, preferably, quickly touch the batter out. Those "high risk" pitches should come with, well, risks.
But do you not think this one knee shìt is the problem. I mean you are going to have a hard time convincing me you aren't better able to block a ball from a good secondary, athletic catching stance. I think we have completely overvalued the extra few strikes a game you may get with the lower receiving position.

These guys are set up in a quasi blocking position, but they are on a rail road track that only goes one direction. They can't get that turn (towards third base last night) to block the ball back to the plate. I also don't see that "bite the ball" action from their little yoga stance. They are just getting beat constantly.
 

HomeBoyDawg

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But do you not think this one knee shìt is the problem. I mean you are going to have a hard time convincing me you aren't better able to block a ball from a good secondary, athletic catching stance. I think we have completely overvalued the extra few strikes a game you may get with the lower receiving position.

These guys are set up in a quasi blocking position, but they are on a rail road track that only goes one direction. They can't get that turn (towards third base last night) to block the ball back to the plate. I also don't see that "bite the ball" action from their little yoga stance. They are just getting beat constantly.
Yep, agree. Looks lazy. No runners on and less than 2 strikes, knock yourself out. Runners on or 2 strikes, pop up a bit and get ready to move.
 

maroonmania

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The biggest impact of the 2 losses is that if it comes down to us getting a national seed in competition with UCLA and/or USM, they will both have the head to head win over us. We should have won both games but didn't due to basic things (like not hitting batters and not blocking up 3rd strike pitches) to win either. Nothing we can do about it now though except move on.
 

patdog

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The biggest impact of the 2 losses is that if it comes down to us getting a national seed in competition with UCLA and/or USM, they will both have the head to head win over us. We should have won both games but didn't do basic things (like not hitting batters and not blocking up 3rd strike pitches) to win either. Nothing we can do about it now though except move on.
Head to head in one game with both teams using #3 and #4 starters won't mean a whole lot after 60 or so games. If we're still in the discussion with our strength of schedule, we'll get one of those seeds.
 
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maroonmania

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Head to head in one game with both teams using #3 and #4 starters won't mean a whole lot after 60 or so games. If we're still in the discussion with our strength of schedule, we'll get one of those seeds.
Its just one factor, hopefully it won't be that close. UCLA is expected to be a national seed anyway, but if USM keeps up their current winning pace they could easily be in the running for one of the other 7 spots. We do get the return trip by USM to Starkville on March 24th. We definitely need to get that one.
 
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patdog

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Its just one factor, hopefully it won't be that close. UCLA is expected to be a national seed anyway, but if USM keeps up their current winning pace they could easily be in the running for one of the other 7 spots. We do get the return trip by USM to Starkville on March 24th. We definitely need to get that one.
I think UCLA will be a national seed for sure. I don't think USM will be though. Their conference just isn't strong enough. They'd have to go something like 50-8.
 
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ezsoil

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Well I would say that Oak is trying to build up some of the younger players putting them in high leverage situation... Parker is going to be the centerpiece next year but he should have been pinch hit for in the 9th against UCLA....Miller is going to be a Friday night guy .and even though it was his hometown, that wasn't the situation to put him in .. while losses like this hurt... if the long term strategy is to build a program with sustained success it was the right move
 

thekimmer

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Quit crying about the umps. Ball 3 against Teel was a strike and we had 2 passed balls and a misplayed pop up that directly led to 2 runs. Also if our offense shows up for the first 5 innings we win last night
Whatever dude. Nobody is crying about the umps. Just pointing out what happened in two losses that probably should have been wins. Incidentally its not an opinion about the call. Trackman confirmed strike 3 on Teal should have been ball 4. It happens. We also should have made the plays behind the plate but two in one inning is pretty unusual.
 
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thekimmer

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Well strike 1 and 2 aren’t completing the out if the catcher makes the catch. I’ve never understood why some say this is such a dumb rule. You should have to complete the out.
Not when you understand the origin of the rule. It came from the very early days of baseball when there was no strike outs and there was no competitive pitching. The pitcher threw the ball softly to the batter who had to put it in play. To keep from standing there all day with a poor hitter, after 3 strikes the hitter just ran. Had nothing to do with 'completing the play'. But to that end, using all of your strikes is completing the play.

https://sabr.org/journal/article/the-dropped-third-strike-the-life-and-times-of-a-rule/
 

curseddawgs

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Whatever dude. Nobody is crying about the umps. Just pointing out what happened in two losses that probably should have been wins. Incidentally its not an opinion about the call. Trackman confirmed strike 3 on Teal should have been ball 4. It happens. We also should have made the plays behind the plate but two in one inning is pretty unusual.
Ball 3 should’ve been Strike 3 which would’ve made the whole thing moot. Our team is national champion caliber but I’m not going to overreact to wins or losses in March