Based on this years results sure. I wouldn't make the assumption that it will stay that way....
All big ten selections- Ava, Hannah, Chit Chat, Kylie and Addie
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Thanks for that. There are certainly some here under estimating her...
Absolutely agree. Addie got it on reputation. Journey did it on heart. Even stats show it.
This is exactly where I have an issue with this train of thought. That's basically saying Deal doesn't have "heart" or made effort plays. The girl played hard, made defensive plays and bloodied herself a couple of times. I'm fine saying Journey was the more consistent player throughout the season based on minutes played. Anything else is speculative crap.
KC is Addie’s number 1 cheerleader like I am for Hannah! Lol.
I speak Omahawk so please allow me to translate. He meant that as a 5 star recruit, the high expectations preceeded Deal's arrival, whereas Journey came in with little fanfare having to prove herself and earn the respect of fans and media through her play on the court.
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Its more like its tiresome the posters here who act like she hasn't done anything in her freshman year and should just move on. Do some freaking research and see how many freshman at Iowa not named Caitlin Clark had have a 20 pt game against a ranked team in conference . I'll wait for your response.
While for some reason Deal has somehow earned disdain from some posters because she wasn't the next CC22, like there ever will be another. Frankly I think Houston may have had the easier "Journey" if you will.....
Swords actually didn't deserve first team at all statistically. Moreno than Jazzy even. Huge Swords overhype due to Olympic history and the UConn game. She's an outlier compared to all the others. Someone made a table of the first team players. Swords definitely was not deserving.
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Voters don't care about PER apparently or Swords would not be first team. She's 71st in PER. Someone made a comparative table for the first team. Ava killing it!Well it's obviously not based on performance. Journey was very consistent and effective this year and had the second highest conference PER on the team after Ava. She was definitely robbed.
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The conversation has been there for awhile and yep, she is a special. A great talent. This was a LOL moment for me. Ava is super easy-going and pretty soft-spoken. Michigan game was really physical; got slapped in the face during a shot towards the end and uttered a "@#$% Yeah!" while running...
Robbed???? she's not a first teamer. If she had a 15' shot or even a 33% three point percentage. yes even all american.
She's a throw open player. Nothing wrong with that if you have an elite passer, back to the basket she can struggle.
Who in this thread said that she hasn't done anything or should move on? The discussion was simply around the fact that, were this a purely merit based award, that Journey has been far and away the more productive player and more deserving of inclusion. Are you arguing otherwise?
From what I have been able to find, Journey was rated 19th at one time before her knee injury. When she graduated from North High she was rated 85th. If I am wrong, someone please correct me. I agree Deal came in with more fanfare than Houston, which should have nothing to do with comparing their seasons. I'm happy for Deal and I'm happy for Houston. I also wonder if Journey had not been injured, what would her final rating have been.
Agree 100%. Swords had a better year last year and was 2nd team all conference. No way did she have a 1st team season.
I assume her selection was based solely on rewarding Michigan for their T-2nd place finish. Too bad Iowa (i.e. Hannah) didn't get the same treatment.
I think Swords' selection was based on the crazy great game that she played this season against UConn. That set a narrative for her, coming off last season's 2nd Team All Big year. Unfortunately, she never played that well against a Big Ten team, and played materially worse this year in conference compared to last year in conference. Her conference stats say she is, at best, a borderline Second Team/Third Team selection.
No I'm not, but to say that there haven't been posters here ragging on Deal all year would be disingenuous and you know that's true...
I think people have unrealistic expectations of freshmen in general, but highly touted ones specifically. IMO she's hardly been singled out. She's certainly been treated no worse on here than Layla or even Hannah. Right @BigZ ?
Maybe, nor did Layla have several really good games especially 20 points against a top 15 conf rival..
It probably came down to Addie being a 2 time B1G freshman of the week. Journey was solid in a few games late but otherwise, nothing special. I'm just glad they are both on Iowa!
I kinda disagree with this. Journey has been plenty special this year. Here are Journey's per game numbers and team ranking in conference play:
Rebounds - 5.1 (3rd)
Rebounds per 40 - 11.5 (2nd, only .1 behind Hannah's 11.6)
Points - 7.6 (5th)
Points per 40 - 17.0 (3rd, only .6 behind Hannah's 17.6)
Turnovers - .6 (1st)
Turnovers per 40 - 1.3 (1st)
EFG% - 54% (3rd)
PER - 20.5 (2nd)
In pretty much every stat that matters, she averages in the top 2-3 on the team. These are pretty special numbers for anyone, let alone a true freshman.
That's good info as always. I do think though that some numbers get skewed. TO's/40 min as example. As a player who doesn't handle the ball much and basically sets and comes off screens I would think her TO's would be much less then someone who has to handle the ball quite a bit more
So I agree with you on the turnovers. That's why I generally prefer to use Assist/Turnover as a metric that defines how well you take care of the ball while also setting up teammates to score. In conference play Journey has a ratio of 2.3 which is the best ratio on the team.
Indeed. She's been remarkably consistent the last half of the season as her minutes grew. Really interested in her growth the next couple of years. While I still think Deals ceiling is higher, I think Journey can be a 12-15pts and 8 boards type player and that would be really solid. Basically a better shooting Hannah